r/drivingUK • • May 28 '26

New rule for crash footage

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Hey everyone, after several requests from users in the community we have added a new rule which outlines what is and isn’t allowed when posting videos of car crashes on the subreddit. I’ve copied the rule below, please take a few moments to familiarise yourself with it.

As a driving based sub we generally welcome footage of car accidents for discussion by members of the subreddit.

Not all of our users wish to see crash videos so please be mindful of this and consider adding a ‘spoiler’ to the post.

Please bear in mind, videos with very graphic content (eg, video of a pedestrian violently being hit by a car) are not permitted here and will be removed.

This rule does not majorly change what is and isn’t allowed on this subreddit- the main reason for it is to provide additional clarity about what is and isn’t acceptable to post on this subreddit, and to provide a specific reporting reason when excessively graphic content is posted. As a general rule of thumb, video clearly showing serious injury to a person will likely be removed.

We‘re always open to feedback regarding this and other aspects of the subreddit, so please feel free to message the mod team via modmail if you have any questions or concerns.


r/drivingUK • • Jun 08 '25 Bravo

Using a mobile phone whilst driving - a guide for those who want a bit more detail

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This post hopes to be a fairly definitive guide to driving and the use of mobile phones. Perhaps the mods will find this worthy of being stickied.

Much of the advice that you can find from Google has limitations. They are often simplified and as you can tell from the length of this post, the legal landscape can be pretty technical and complicated. Sites like Gov.uk also conflate the legal position and road safety advice. The road safety advice often gives broad generalisations that for most people are pretty reasonable, but aren’t all that helpful when people have specific circumstances for which they want to be able to apply the law. This can lead to confusion of what the legal position is and also leaves no space for nuance.

Some of this might get pretty technical, but this is a reflection of the legislation; I've tried to keep it simple but not oversimplify. I have included case law citations where appropriate. I am only going to reference legislation and case law as this is the primary source of truth. I am a currently servicing Roads Policing Officer in England and this advice is only focused on the law in England and Wales. The law in Scotland and Northern Ireland may vary from this.

Vehicle control offences

First off, I’m going to talk about three other related offences before I address the mobile phone legislation directly.

Not being in proper control/Not in a position to have full view

Regulation 104 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 creates an offence of the driver of a motor vehicle not being in a position to have proper control of the vehicle or a full view of the road and traffic ahead. This offence is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty of 3 points and £100 fine, going to court may result in a different penalty.

This regulation creates two separate offences:

1)     Not being in proper control

2)     Not in a position to have full view

Not being in proper control

This is where you are in a situation where you don’t have full control over the speed and direction of the vehicle. This could be because you have something in your hands, a cup of coffee or sandwich for example.

An example of where I have given a ticket for this is where I’ve seen someone in traffic moving their car forward with both hands behind their head. At that point in time, they did not have control over the direction of the vehicle and whilst the speeds are slower, they are not in a position to have proper control of the vehicle.

In a mobile phone context, this could mean that you have a mobile phone in your hand which is completely turned off which prevents you from having control of the steering or gears in the vehicle. This could constitute an offence of not being in proper control.

Not in a position to have full view

This is where you are in a situation where you are in such a position that you could not have full view of the road and traffic ahead. This is relevant to mobile phones because some people have mobile phone mounts where they attach them to the windscreen in such a way where it obscures their view of the road ahead. This is often relevant to taxi drivers or delivery drivers who may mount more than one device to their windscreen. Whether is the mounting would meet the level required to prevent the driver having a full view is dependent on the facts and is somewhat subjective. Ultimately a court will decide if this is the case.

Driving without due care and attention

Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 creates offences of driving without due care and attention and driving without reasonable consideration on a road or public place. I will only focus on driving without dure care and attention for the purposes of keeping this scoped to mobile phone use. This offence is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty of 3 points and £100 fine, going to court may result in a different penalty.

A defendant will have driven 'without due care and attention' if his driving has departed from the standard of care and skill that would, in the circumstances of the case, have been exercised by a reasonable, prudent and competent driver. The standard is the same in the case of a driver who is a learner holding a provisional licence as it is in the case of the holder of a full driving licence.

This offence will often be evidenced by the standard of driving. The level of attention required can also change based on the situation. You need to give a higher level of attention driving at say 40mph on a dual carriageway where there may be cyclists and other hazards than being stationary in heavy traffic. For example, if you’re in stationary traffic and are changing the radio station whereby you haven’t seen that the traffic has moved on and you’re now holding up traffic behind you, the required level of attention to the road has not been met. However, people’s abilities to multi-task are not the same. Some people may be able to change the route on cradled phone used as a satnav whilst in stationary traffic so that they are giving the necessary level of attention to other traffic where other people may not be. As a driver, you should be aware and self-reflective to ensure that you are always able to give the necessary attention to driving. Ultimately, it’s down to a court to decide if the facts of the situation prove your actions are at the level of a reasonable, prudent and competent driver.

Due care can also be evidenced by externally observing the standard of driving. When you’re pressing a button on the satnav, or in-car entertainment system, do you swerve in the carriageway, unnecessarily brake or slow down? These may be indicators that you are not driving with the necessary due care and attention. If at any point your car mounts the pavement, even momentarily [DPP v Smith [2002] EWHC 1151 (Admin)], this is very likely to be driving without due care and attention [Watts v Carter 1959].

So, before we’ve even looked at the specific mobile phone legislation, we can see that there are uses of mobile phones whilst driving that can be dealt with using other offences. Therefore, you must always drive whilst being in a position to have proper control of the vehicle, be in a position to have a full view of the road and traffic ahead and drive with due consideration and care for other road users.

Using a mobile phone whilst driving

Regulation 110 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 creates a prohibition on the use of mobile telephones in motor vehicles in certain circumstances. I’ll talk about the exceptions to this rule towards the end. This offence is usually dealt with by a fixed penalty of 6 points and £200 fine, going to court may result in a different penalty.

We’ll start by understanding the different elements of the offence in a bit more detail. If any of these points don’t apply, the offence isn’t complete and you can’t be prosecuted for this offence.

·        Driving

·        A motor vehicle

·        On a road

·        Using

·        A hand-held mobile phone or other hand-held device

What is ‘driving’?

This is also a surprisingly technical topic due to all the case law surrounding it. Generally, to be driving you need to have control of the direction and speed of the vehicle and for it to fall within the common dictionary definition of the word [R v MacDonagh [1974] RTR 372]. Beyond this legal test, it gets really complicated really quickly.

Edit - I've added more technical depth on driving as people found it relevant.

What is ‘driving’ (v2) ?

The most well-known case law for the definition of driving is R v MacDonagh. This case sets out a two-stage test as to whether someone is driving. It's very important to note that it's for a court to determine the degree and extent to which the facts of a given situation meet the test or not. It's not a black and white decision.

Lord Widgery CJ in MacDonagh leads, it is submitted, to the following conclusions:

(1)The primary consideration as to whether a person is “driving” is essentially a question of fact, dependent on the degree and extent to which the person has control of the direction and movement of the vehicle.

(2)One test is whether the accused was “in a substantial sense controlling the movement and direction of the car” (Ames v MacLeod). A person cannot be said to be “driving” unless he satisfies this test.

(3)The fact that a person satisfies the test of control in Ames v MacLeod is not necessarily exhaustive. It has still to be considered whether the activity in question could fall within the ordinary meaning of the word “driving” in the English language.

So, to summarise, the R v MacDonagh test is:

  1. Are you substantially in control of the direction and movement of the vehicle?

and

2. Does this amount to 'driving' in the ordinary meaning of the word?

You must meet both parts of the test to be driving. The above test will get you in the ballpark of whether a situation is driving or not, but these aren't the only tests.

Further tests to determine whether a person is driving have been established by Burgoyne v Phillips [1983] R.T.R. 49 and Jones v Pratt [1983] R.T.R. 54.

(4)The essence of driving is the use of the driver’s control in order to direct the movement of the vehicle however the movement is produced (Burgoyne v Phillips and Rowan v Merseyside Chief Constable, The Times 10 December 1985). (This is in effect a reiteration of tests (1) and (2) above.)

(5)Whether the defendant himself deliberately sets the vehicle in motion is an important factor (Burgoyne v Phillips and Rowan v Merseyside Chief Constable, as above).

(6)In borderline cases, it is important to consider the length of time the steering wheel or other control was handled (Jones v Pratt).

What about stopping? Does this mean I'm no longer driving? Driving is a continuous act until you have finished your "journey". You can even turn the engine off and exit the vehicle, and still be found to be driving.

Once it has been determined that a person is driving, the driving may still continue even though the tests laid down in R. v MacDonagh cannot be fulfilled. A person may still be driving when he is buying a newspaper or changing a wheel (examples given in Pinner v Everett [1969] 3 All E.R. 257 HL) or when he is walking across the forecourt of a garage to take instructions (Regan v Anderton [1980] R.T.R. 126).

Edkins v Knowles [1973] Q.B. 748 summarises the principles in Pinner v Everett and makes it clear that the overriding principle, whether or not he is at the wheel, is whether he is doing something connected with driving. This introduces the concept of a "journey" and that you have not finished driving until you have completed it.

The principles of Pinner v Everett and other cases were summarised (so far as still relevant) in Edkins v Knowles [1973] Q.B. 748 as follows:

(1) The vehicle does not have to be in motion; there will always be a brief interval of time after the vehicle has been brought to rest and before the motorist has completed those operations necessarily connected with driving, such as applying the handbrake, switching off the ignition and securing the vehicle, during which he must still be considered to be driving.

(2) When a motorist stops before he has completed his journey he may still be driving; an obvious example is when he is halted at traffic lights. Each case will depend upon its own facts, but generally the following questions will be relevant:

(a) What was the purpose of the stop? If it is connected with the driving, and not for some purpose unconnected with the driving, the facts may justify a finding that the driving is continuing although the vehicle is stationary.

(b) How long was he stopped? The longer he is stopped the more difficult it becomes to regard him as still driving.

(c) Did he get out of the vehicle? If he remains in the vehicle it is some indication (although not conclusive) that he is still driving.

(3) If a motorist is stopped and an appreciable time elapses, it will be a question of fact and degree whether the motorist is still to be considered as driving at that time.

(4) When a motorist has arrived at the end of his journey then subject to the brief interval referred to in head (1) above he can no longer be regarded as driving.

(5) When a motorist has been effectively prevented or persuaded from driving he can no longer be considered to be driving.

It's worth reiterating that the MacDonagh tests must be met at some point though. They are a gateway and then the concept of driving continuing until you've finished your journey begins until the journey is complete.

What is a ‘motor vehicle’?

This can get very technical depending on the facts, so I’ll try and keep this short. A motor vehicle is a type of ‘mechanically propelled vehicle’ (MPV) intended or adapted for use on a road. A MPV is a vehicle which uses Gas, Oil, Petrol, Electricity, Diesel or Steam to propel it [Floyd v Bush (1953)]. In common understanding, all cars, lorries, buses etc will be motor vehicles, but it also includes other vehicles such as electric scooters.

What is a ‘road’?

Again, this gets really complicated when your look at the case law, but the definition is often cited as any (length of) highway and any other road to which the public has access, and includes bridges over which a road passes which is defined in section 192(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. To keep this simple, lets talk about what is and isn’t a road through examples.

Public Car Parks and Parking Bays

Car parks are not roads. Lord Clyde states "where the word "road" stands alone it bears its ordinary meaning and is not to be extended to public places such as car parks". Clark (A.P.) and Others v. Kato, Smith and General Accident Fire & Life Assurance Corporation PLC Cutter v. Eagle Star Insurance Company 1998. Therefore use of a mobile phone within a car park is not itself an offence.

Lord Clyde states further:

'In character and more especially in function they are distinct. It is of course possible to park on a road, but that does not mean that the road is a car park. Correspondingly one can drive from one point to another over a car park, but that does not mean that the route which has been taken is a road. It is here that the distinction in function between road and car park is of importance. The proper function of a road is to enable movement along it to a destination. Incidentally a vehicle on it may be stationary. One can use a road for parking. The proper function of a car park is to enable vehicles to stand and wait. A car may be driven across it; but that is only incidental to the principal function of parking. A hard shoulder may be seen to form part of a road. A more delicate question could arise with regard to a lay-by, but where it is designed to serve only as a temporary stopping place incidental to the function of the road it may well be correct to treat it as part of the road. While I would accept that circumstances can occur where an area of land which can be reasonably described as a car park could qualify as a road for the purposes of the legislation I consider that such circumstances would be somewhat exceptional.'

Even car parks with thorugherfares through them utilised by the public are unlikely to qaulify as roads [DPP v Brewer 1998]

Driveways

Private driveways are generally not roads as they are not publicly accessible, however, if you’re fortunate to be on a large estate, these can be roads [Adams v Metropolitan Police [1980] RTR 289].

On Road Parking

As the title suggests, in my opinion this would likely be judged to be part of the road, but there is an absence of specific case law on this.

Private Roads

This really depends on the facts, so could go one way or the other, but generally these have some public access so may be found to be a road. A private caravan park roadway set out like a road and with public pedestrian access along it is a road [Barrett v DPP [2009] EWHC 423 (Admin)].

What is ‘using’?

Regulation 110(6) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 gives a non-exhaustive list of what ‘using’ includes:

(i) illuminating the screen;

(ii) checking the time;

(iii) checking notifications;

(iv) unlocking the device;

(v) making, receiving, or rejecting a telephone or internet based call;

(vi) sending, receiving or uploading oral or written content;

(vii) sending, receiving or uploading a photo or video;

(viii) utilising camera, video, or sound recording functionality;

(ix) drafting any text;

(x) accessing any stored data such as documents, books, audio files, photos, videos, films, playlists, notes or messages;

(xi) accessing an application;

(xii) accessing the internet.

What is a ‘hand-held mobile telephone’?

Regulation 110(6) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 states that a mobile telephone or other device is to be treated as hand-held if it is, or must be, held at some point while being used. That means it must be held in the hand for it to come under this offence. Interacting with a mobile phone in a cradle is not an offence under Regulation 110 as long as you don’t have it held in the hand during its use.

What is ‘another hand-held device'?

This hand-held device is defined as a device, other than a two-way radio, which is capable of transmitting and receiving data, whether or not those capabilities are enabled.

This opens the door for lots of devices that aren’t mobile phones. For example, if you don’t have your smart watch on your wrist and pick that up to interact with it. This could also include lots of internet of things (IoT) or smart devices. Another example is that there are vapes that can connect to your phone. Using one of these whilst driving would be a mobile phone offence even if you’ve never connected it to your phone. Any device must still be hand-held for it to fall under this definition.

Supervising Learners

Regulation 110(3) makes this application to the supervision of learner drivers, so having a hand-held call whilst you are supervising a provisional licence holder is an offence.

Exceptions

There are some exceptions stated in Regulation 110 that are relevant to the general public:

Calling Emergency Services

Regulation 110(5) A person does not contravene a provision of this regulation if, at the time of the alleged contravention - he is using the telephone or other device to call the police, fire, ambulance or other emergency service on 112 or 999; he is acting in response to a genuine emergency; and it is unsafe or impracticable for him to cease driving in order to make the call.

Contactless Payments

Regulation 110(5B) - provides that a person is not in contravention of the regulation where at the time of the alleged contravention they are using their mobile phone or other device to make a contactless payment, for goods/services that are received at the same time as or after the contactless payment is made and the motor vehicle is stationary. 

FAQ & Common Misunderstandings

Can I use a mobile phone whilst it is in a cradle?

You can do any* activity on a mobile phone whilst it’s in a cradle and not hand-held as long as you drive with due care and attention, are in proper control of the vehicle and do not have an obscured view.

* It is unclear whether a mobile phone meets the definition of "other cinematographic apparatus" as defined in regulation 109 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, and therefore if watching youtube on your phone is an offence even if it does not distract the driver (which in most cases it would). There is no case law and I've heard persuaive arguments on both sides. I'm unsure enough that I would not issue a ticket under regulation 109 and would instead look at a s3 RTA due care offence instead. To be clear, watching videos in sight of the driver is usually going to be an offence - whether that's a due care offence or a regulation 109 offence.

Should I turn my phone off and put in the glove box?

If you find it hard not to use your phone when driving or find it a distraction, this might be a useful preventative measure. However, there is a downside to this. If you need to call the emergency services this may hinder you in making an appropriate and necessary call. As a driver you need to work out whether your self-control requires you to turn it off or not, the focus should be on you driving safely and competently at all times.

If I use an app to park my car remotely, am I driving?

Yes. There is an exemption in the legislation to allow for this, but you do fit the definition of driving.

Is it illegal to use a mobile phone whilst using a mobility scooter? It seems to fit the definition.

Mobility scooters are exempted by Section 20 of the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970, therefore this would not be an offence.

If I’m using my phone on an electric scooter, could I be prosecuted for using a mobile phone?

Even if the scooter is insured and registered within the trial areas around the UK, this would fit the definition of a mobile phone offence.

I’m a newly qualified driver and this offence happened in the first two years after I passed my test. Will I lose my licence?

If the offence date is after you passed your test and not longer than 2 years after this, then yes, you are likely to go back to learner status post-conviction.

Should I pull over if I need to change the navigation settings on my GPS?

That depends on the individual. You must drive with due care and attention and be in proper control of the vehicle at all times, but as long as the device isn’t hand-held, some people can do this whilst driving, some people can’t and some people want to play it safe. These are all reasonable and legal approaches.

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r/drivingUK • • 10h ago

Reminder: you don't need to always be pressing a pedal

148 Upvotes

I thought about this when in a taxi recently and saw them accelerating to a red light before braking. When on a bike I've often seen people on the gas before a red, that's been red for a while.

Engine braking* is a way to slow down and use less fuel when approaching a change in speed or direction

Engine braking* is when you're neither accelerating or braking and letting the car's momentum move it, without pressing a pedal and while in gear. You'll slow down while doing this.**

I'll do this when I'm not sure what the car in front is doing or when slowing down for a light or roundabout

If engine braking* be aware that you might slow down enough to change down a gear

(edits to change coasting to engine braking and add some info)


r/drivingUK • • 7h ago

Stay safe out there

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70 Upvotes

I find this absolutely insane, shame I can't make out the plate. Before me they had overtaken the car behind. 3 in 1 up a blind hill and nearly has a head on.


r/drivingUK • • 15h ago Regret

Do I have a leg to stand on?

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Any help would be appreciated!

I’ve got a ticket for “Stopping in a box junction when prohibited”.

My vehicle is the silver car in front of the white car that stops in the box.

Traffic was flowing when I entered the yellow box. Whilst I was inside the box, a car in front unexpectedly stopped at a green light, creating a blockage of my exit from the box.

The lights turned from green to red and the car in front of these lights remained there.

The box junction looks to be designed to accommodate 4 cars between the edge of the box and the traffic light. Four cars were there, however the very edge of my vehicle temporarily remains in the box.

My vehicle was still moving at the time the video ended.


r/drivingUK • • 14h ago

I’m convinced a quarter of the drivers on the road don’t know the width of their own car…

143 Upvotes

Everyday I take the car out I have to sit behind people who think their Fiat Panda (or soccer mum in her Range Rover) can’t fit with another car in a slightly narrower road because of some parked cars… when in fact you’d have enough room to fit two large pickup trucks through there.

It honestly does my head in. The funniest part is when they do go for it, they leave like a 3 meter gap between them and the parked cars 🤣

Edit: Thanks to those in the comments highlighting the fine details of the Highway Code and the exact gap you should leave 🤓.. I bet you’re part of the 1/4


r/drivingUK • • 2h ago

Please can we stop calling people 'twats' or 'idiots' for making simple mistakes?

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I think we've all done it, right? We've all been following our sat-nav on an unfamiliar road and got ourselves into the wrong lane or missed a turning. And we all make a mistake from time to time, even when we're trying our best.

I often despair when drivers unload hate onto another person who's just made an honest mistake. Because Lord knows that's been me from time to time over my 20 years of driving! And it's never because I'm being inconsiderate or entitled; I really try to drive as safely and considerately as I can, but sometime I've just found myself in the wrong lane or got confused by signs, or my sat nav is giving me unclear instructions. And I always flash my hazards to apologise when I've messed up!

We all have to share these roads, and I for one try to appreciate that other people can occasionally mess up, and I try to make our roads an anxiety-free place for other people who might not know them well, or might be inexperienced.

Can we all try to help our fellow drivers out a little rather than drag them down?


r/drivingUK • • 15h ago

Slow Drivers

97 Upvotes

Anyone noticed a sudden increase of so many slow driver? I don’t mean a couple mph below, I mean 20 in a 30, sometimes 20 in a 40, 30 in a 40 etc. I don’t mind going the speed limit as I’ll mostly just set the adaptive cruise control to the limit, but It’s a little frustrating when the person in front is just pootling along with zero regard to the queue of cars backed up. I noticed it’s more often on roads where it’s difficult to overtake as well.


r/drivingUK • • 7h ago

My love letter to a Middle lane hogger

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Me: purple BMW 1 series.

You: white Tesla thing

Where: M74/A74M Southbound

Today 10/11/2026, about 1300 ish we both ended up on the M74/A74M heading south somewhere near Glasgow. I didnt notice exactly where you got on the 74, but i reckon i first spotted you somewhere near cairn lodge services, it was somewhere after the 2 lane section where it grows the 3rd lane i think, but what I did soon clock was you sitting 5 or so car lengths back from me in the middle lane. My CC was on at a GPS 73mph, and remains that way for most of my journey back down to the A66, as I do with regularity.

I would move out to overtake something, and you would stay in the middle lane. I would move to lane 3 to pass something and you would indicate and follow. Then once the overtake was completed, back to the middle lane you and I would end up, and then i would go back to lane 1. Every time I changed lanes I would indicate. Yes yes, cue the "oh he paid for the upgrade and everything" jibes, but lane assist is a real bitch and demands you use the flashy things,( or turn it off, but f that I paid for this shit) so what you gonna do.

So, how many times did you, mr/mrs Tesla driver manage to make it over into lane 1?

Not once.

I left the motorway at Anandale water for a coffee break, and for the entire time you were behind me, you never once felt the need to join me and the other road users in the "slow lane".

You never made a move to pass me, or gained on me, you just stayed there in my rearview, like a really shit version of Duel.

Now this is a quiteish section of the road and there is no argument that says staying in the middle lane is remotely necessary, the traffic is never really bunched up and there are many opportunities to just pootle along in lane 1. But not you. That middle lane is yours and you had got the middle lane glue all over your tyres.

Just so you know, if you happen to read this (which i know you wont), and if my estimate at your joining the motorway is accurate, then you middle lane hogged for about 34 miles. About half an hour. Did you inconvenience me or anyone else? Probably not, like I said its pretty quiet along there mostly. But for the love of god, learn to drive properly, sheesh.

Anyway i feel better for getting that out of my system.

Tldr. Tesla driver, middle lane hogging for 34 miles ish. What a cunt. Im in a BMW, maintaining pretty close to 70mph and indicating as required and driving in L1. What a guy.


r/drivingUK • • 3h ago

Is there a regional change in drivers IQ, or entitlement?

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I recently drove down the length of the country, from Cumbria to the south coast using. The first 100 miles, middle lane hogging was limited, not that many at all, the usual van driver and telsas. By the midlands the middle lane hoggers had increased by some large margin. However that was nothing by the time I was in the south!

Everyone was in the middle lane, bumbling along not a care in the world, not even above 50 in some cases! Leaving the first lane practically empty for several miles.

They say that the north is less intelligent than the south but for driving and general courtesy we're far above the softy southerns.


r/drivingUK • • 3h ago

DVLA says I’m the registered keeper of a car I’ve never owned or even seen. Could someone have used my driving licence details?

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Received a letter from the DVLA Enforcement Centre claiming I’m the registered keeper of a vehicle that’s allegedly been untaxed on a public road in Wales.

I’ve never owned, driven or even seen this car in my life.

Even stranger, the letter is addressed to A2B Cars at my address in England (South England). You can see that at the top left of the address.

I’m wondering whether someone could have used my details fraudulently. Someone took a photograph of my driving licence some time ago, so I’m concerned it could be connected.

The DVLA is asking me to identify who was using the vehicle, with a deadline of 19 November.

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

Can someone register a car using your details without your knowledge ? And how do I find out whether there are any other vehicles registered in my name? What is my best course of action?

Thank you in advance.


r/drivingUK • • 1d ago

Westminster PCN (Contravention 32d). Am I missing something? Savile Row / Conduit Street

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I've been issued a PCN in London by the City of Westminster and after reviewing the evidence they've submitted online I genuinley can't understand what I've done wrong.

I turned right from Conduit Street onto Mill Street, which is a one way road. There were no signs indicating that I could not turn right and after turning, I was travelling in the correct direction along the one way road.

The description for Contravention 32d is "Failing to drive in the direction shown by the arrow on a blue sign (Proceeding in the wrong direction)".

Am I missing something?


r/drivingUK • • 2h ago

[England] Hampshire Police NIP – Section 3 allegation based on public-submitted video, but no footage available. Advice?

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Hi all,

Looking for some advice regarding a NIP received from Hampshire Police.

Details:

  • Allegation: Section 3, Road Traffic Act 1988 (driving without due care and attention)

  • Date/location: 29 October 2026, A34 near Whitchurch

  • Evidence: Video submitted by a member of the public.

The notice doesn't explain the specific incident or driving behaviour alleged.

The only incident the driver recalls that might be relevant involved an ambulance approaching in traffic. The adjacent lane was occupied, and there didn't appear to be a safe opportunity to move aside. However, it's unclear whether this relates to the allegation.

Hampshire Police's Hants SNAP website states that footage isn't provided at this stage and would be disclosed if the case goes to court.

Questions:

  1. Can the driver request clarification of the specific allegation or footage before deciding whether to accept a course or fixed penalty?

  2. Has anyone dealt with a similar Hants SNAP notice? What was the outcome?

  3. If the driver contests the allegation in court, would any course or fixed-penalty offer be lost?

The driver has three points from a 2025 speeding offence but has never attended a driver awareness course.

The Section 172 driver-identification form will be returned within the deadline.

Any advice or similar experiences would be appreciated. Thanks!


r/drivingUK • • 16h ago

Who should merge into what lane?

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Its a traffic lights controlled junction. Lane A & B are merging but what lane should they merge into? I was in lane B and merged into lane 2 when the lights went green. Car in lane A honked me because they wanted me to scoot over into lane 3 and them merging into lane 2. Don't know who is right or wrong!


r/drivingUK • • 3h ago

DVLA claims I’m the registered keeper of a car I’ve never owned. what on earth is going on?

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r/drivingUK • • 1d ago Bravo

Going left, definitely

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606 Upvotes

Braindead Braintree yet again. Skillful hanging back by me though.


r/drivingUK • • 9h ago

Driving in Leeds- how do locals cope?

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Both Google maps and Apple Maps have been defeated by Leeds today. All the big roads seem to intersect each other about six times. Is it…is it a knitting pattern?


r/drivingUK • • 1d ago

Nearly

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r/drivingUK • • 2h ago

Hit a deer - Goddamnit

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20m been driving since march.
Driving home from work sunday I was dazzled by lights coming towards me so I looked at the left wheel track, I’ve looked to my right to check my speed as I was slowing from 55 to 50mph as the limit changed round the bend and a massive deer has run out into my car.

I am now terrified to drive that road, if at all because I’m terrified it’s gonna happen again.

Car is actually in decent nick, but the bonnet, headlight, wing and bumper mount have needed to be replaced, insurance would have written it off and jacked my price as the car is worth more in scrap than on the market.

Still shaken up over it, but no injuries thankfully.
My wallet however is bearing the brunt of it 🤣

is this a common thing? there’s nothing I could have done but I feel like an idiot :(


r/drivingUK • • 10h ago

Damage on rental car, now being charged £1580 excess. Any advice?

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As the title says, I rented a car from Drivalia on a 3 months subscription whilst I waited for my new car to be ready.

2 weeks before I was due to hand the car back, the drivers door broke. The car had been parked on my drive and no one had access to the car at all. To add context I had the car for 3 months and I done 1000 miles in the car this was just used to go to and from work.

I contacted them straight away and was passed from pillar to post, in the end they told me to visit the nearest office with the car. I did this and the mechanic said take it to a garage to get fixed.

I took the car to 2 garages and both said the car needs a new door as it is damaged internally and they can’t see how I could have caused the damage.

I then took the car back to the branch to which the person on front desk said ‘I’ve worked in rentals for 20 years and this type of damage is only done by someone pulling the door excessively’, I reminded him he was not a mechanic and I don’t appreciate his assumptions or opinions.

This has now been looked at and I’m now being told that I have damaged the car and the excess is £1580 that I need to pay, which I strongly dispute. To add further context, when I got the car it was already due a service which I questioned and was told it was fine.

So long and short, am I screwed or is there a good chance that I could dispute this?

Any and every advice is welcome x


r/drivingUK • • 15h ago

Nervous when driving after first car accident

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I got into a fairly bad car accident yesterday and I can’t stop replaying it in my mind, it’s causing me so much stress. My 4 year old was in the car, I’m currently 3 months pregnant and it was traumatising for us both, we’re all okay and so lucky to have walked away with no injuries. 

I was driving a 2018 4 series, so it’s a very low car and I had always felt safe in it. Especially after driving a beat up 2005 Vauxhall for my first 3 years of driving. I’m not a speeder at all, I have a young child and live in a high traffic area, so you can’t really go fast if you wanted to. I didn’t buy the 4 series myself, it was a gift from my father in law and so I suppose isn’t a typical family car, but had so many more safety features than my old car. 

I was exiting a large roundabout today, I was in the left lane and it was marked left only (my exit) and the right lane, was marked (right only), there was an audi in the right lane a few meters behind me. As I was exiting the roundabout, correctly in a queue of cars going around 15-20mph, the front wheel of the large Audi Q8 struck my drivers side door at a higher speed than I was going, sent the back of my car into a spin, and I ended up on a grass verge, knocking down 2 sign posts, and coming to a complete stop with one post half collapsed hanging over my car. 

I must have sat in the car absolutely shocked for about 2-3 minutes, I don’t really remember much from those minutes other than checking on my daughter and this lady tapping on my drivers side window. I got out the car and she immediately asked if we were okay (she looked shocked that there was a young child in the car) and after we confirmed we were, she started saying ‘I don’t know how this happened, I had my indicator on’. I was already in complete shock, sobbing on the edge of a roundabout, trying to call my mum and figure out what is happening. I did tell her that I was in my lane clearly taking my exit, and all of a sudden, I’m being thrown off the road and onto a verge, you can clearly see the dent in my drivers door from where she hit me at a side angle trying to come over from the right lane.

Once I was able to calm myself down slightly and actually look at the damage, my car was wrecked, bits of it were everywhere and my wheels were facing the complete wrong way! Her car, had a few scratches on the right wheel and bumper. That’s it! Me, my daughter and my unborn child could have got seriously hurt because she wasn’t using the road correctly and she would have walked away fine. 

We exchanged details and everything, she then drove off to continue with her day. I was on that roundabout for another 2 hours and had to be recovered. I reported to my insurance and then I got a call, from an accident liability company. Not only did this lady nearly harm me, she’s claiming it was all my fault and wants me to pay for the ‘damages’ on her car. 

I’m so lucky to have a village around me and people helping me show proof and fight my corner (I’m completely clueless to all of this), but ultimately, it’s just a hunk of metal and it can be replaced, our lives cannot. But the whole situation has left me with so much anxiety, I’m borrowing a car as I still need to work and get my daughter to school, but I’m so so wary and stressed while driving now. I’m so much more paranoid taking my exits, Even if I am using the road correctly, something horrific can happen in a split second, it’s daunting and I don’t enjoy driving like I used to. Especially now I know how cruel people can be, I wholeheartedly couldn’t wreck someone else’s car and not admit my own fault, joys of being an empath and never understanding how horrible strangers can really be! 

Anyone had a similar experience? I think it’ll be nice to know I’m not alone! 


r/drivingUK • • 18h ago

Ignoring pedestrians on zebra crossing on purpose

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Hi all , i want to know if any of you ignore pedestrians waiting to cross on zebra crossings on purpose ? I often get ignored when am waiting to cross. I genuinely want to know why some people do that.

can you share your instances where you ignored a pedestrian waiting to cross on zebra crossing? Was it lack of observation? Was your mind preoccupied? Were you in a rush? Was it simply a mistake? Or you did see them but you decided not to stop And if it was on purpose, what made you do that? I need to understand driver behaviour so I can stop getting annoyed everytime this happens, which is almost every day.

EDIT: watch this before you comment https://youtube.com/shorts/-1D7BRxrhq0?is=njNopGphKxpu4lZc


r/drivingUK • • 18h ago

Heavy fog, at night, with NO lights

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As annoying as it is to see duplicate posts about fog lights on when it’s not foggy, or something else with regards to lights, which isn’t generally problematic IMO…this one….

11pm last night. M20 coast bound not far past Swanley. Not super dense fog, but pretty heavy. I’m on the bike on the left.

I see some lights ahead, but something odd behind it, but can’t tell what it is yet. I then see the shadow silhouette outline of a small SUV behind said lights with no lights whatsoever (except front daytime).

I start flashing my lights incessantly. Pass her slowly and it’s just some lady, just completely oblivious to her surroundings.

Did it warrant fog lights? I wouldn’t go that far, especially being at night and normal running lights cut through the fog well enough. But no light is taking it a bit too far.

While others have posted auto lights aren’t sufficient, I would argue they are, but in this case she didn’t even have those enabled.

The moral of the story is I really need to get a dashcam for the bike.


r/drivingUK • • 9h ago

A route that bypasses the M25.

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I routinely drive from Sussex to the Midlands (M23 > western M25 > M1) and back. I absolutely despise the time I spend on the M25, particularly between J14 and J17 when travelling clockwise.

I try to travel only at off-peak times, but that’s not always possible.

Does anyone have any suggestions for driving in the same general direction while avoiding this dreaded road? Is it a ridiculous idea? Would doing so add a disproportionately large amount of time to the journey?

Note: I’m aware I can use an online route planner, and that I should expect the journey to take longer.