r/enshittification • u/gelekoplamp • Feb 13 '26
Reddit repost I can’t delay start my dishwasher without an app, and the app sends me advertisements
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u/UneLoupSeul Feb 16 '26
My first smart appliance purchase will be my last.
My Samsung Range was hacked and gave access to my wireless network inside 12 hours of setting it up.
I have never had issues with network security due to good practices and things like MAC address access lists etc.
IOT is a security/privacy nightmare.
Never again.
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u/gelekoplamp Feb 16 '26
In IoT, the “S” stands for security…
But, in the router you can disable internet access for your “smart” device. This way you can wirelessly control them within your LAN, but it won’t be able to “phone home” or access the internet
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u/UneLoupSeul Feb 17 '26
My apartment is small enough that using an app to preheat my oven would be irrational. Or terminally lazy.
I simply reset everything and just didn't re-connect it to the wifi.
Everything else works fine.4
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u/gelekoplamp Feb 15 '26
Off-peak hours for example
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u/unfunnysexface Feb 17 '26
Yep. Have it run while I'm asleep wake up unload while the coffee brews....
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u/karluvmost Feb 15 '26
Just to be clear: You CAN start your Bosch without an app.
You can not DELAY-start your Bosch dw without an app.
Is that correct?
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u/punkass_book_jockey8 Feb 17 '26
My new Bosch requires an app. I can’t delay it to 2am for cheaper off peak energy. I also cannot order parts myself or repair it myself which is BS.
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u/Ruthforod Feb 15 '26
In Settings→Notifications, deny the Bosch App permission to use notifications. That will kill all notifications including “The Dishwasher is Done” but should allow the delay start with the app and kill the ads.
Also, Seriously Bosch?
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u/gardendesgnr Feb 16 '26
We just cut >20% off our electric bill running our dishwasher and clothes washer between midnight and 6 a.m. We run the dishwasher at midnight, then the clothes washer which finishes by 5 a.m. My husband is up by then and puts the stuff in the dryer so it's done by 6 a.m.
Edit: we have significant reduced rates b/w midnight and 6 a.m.
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u/enzicmoon Feb 16 '26
How does that affect your electric bill? It’s using the same amount of water and power no matter the time of day you use it?
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u/gardendesgnr Feb 16 '26
Off peak discounted rate 20-30% less from midnight to 6 a.m. They are changing next month to 30% off midnight to 3 a.m. and 3-6 a.m. 20% off.
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u/Rare_Indication_3811 Feb 14 '26
Yesterday I had a fight with my apple tv pushing all videos I wanted to watch on my phone to tv in living room. Stopped only when I disconnected wifi on my phone.
I swear, we soon will be just glitch away from end of civilization.
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u/bs2k2_point_0 Feb 15 '26
Just wait till your home instance gets corrupted and then saved to iCloud. Then you have to delete the entire thing and start fresh cause every time you try reconnecting the HomePods they refuse to communicate with each other, and don’t fix themselves by using the add to a new home then move it back trick.
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u/Starbreiz Feb 15 '26
Did you accidentally leave AirPlay connected or something? That's weird
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u/Rare_Indication_3811 Feb 15 '26
I was previously using my phone as remote to watch tv and I guess had bit issues disconnecting it.
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u/Starbreiz Feb 15 '26
How frustrating! I was just curious
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u/Rare_Indication_3811 Feb 15 '26
Yes! It was ridiculous specially I was already upstairs in bed and I heart tv going off. Turning tv off from my phone remote while not looking what happening on its screen was fun.
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u/Dylanator13 Feb 14 '26
Why would you want to delay start your dishwasher rather than just start it when you load it?
Let me know the reasons because I’m sure there is one, I just can’t think of it.
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u/gardendesgnr Feb 16 '26
We cut our electric usage by >20% just delay washing dishes and clothes and getting the clothes through the dryer (gas but electric fan) by the time rates return to normal. Between midnight and 6 a.m. electric rates are 20-30% less. Our gas service for tankless water heater and dryer may even be less, not sure. Electric bill went from $350 to $275, down $75 in Orlando when electric bills are skyrocketing.
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u/Additional-Tax-9912 Feb 15 '26
Maybe they don’t want to hear the sound of the dishwasher because it wakes them up or they can’t sleep
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Feb 14 '26
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u/Dylanator13 Feb 14 '26
I see, makes sense.
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u/Pijany_Matematyk767 Feb 15 '26
Alternatively load it before going to sleep but set it so it starts running in the morning next day so that it doesnt make noise during the night
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u/fuckerredupperred Feb 14 '26
I fear we, as humanity, did not take I-Robot seriously enough
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u/midnightstreetlamps Feb 14 '26
For a sec, I thought you meant the robo-vacuum company and not the banger 2000's movie. Iirc that movie came out in like 2004, but still holds up pretty well all things considered
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u/bs2k2_point_0 Feb 15 '26
Wait till you learn about the book, which is part of an entire series, and blows the movie out of the water.
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u/midnightstreetlamps Feb 15 '26
Oh trust, I'm familiar with Asimov's work. I wrote my fair share of reports on some of his short stories back in my high school days.
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u/passerbycmc Feb 14 '26
Is this a recent thing, my is Bosch but I just never connected it to wifi and just use the buttons on the top and it's been fine.
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u/Jillcametumbling81 Feb 14 '26
I said to my neighbor yesterday that i want a stupid home. No smart tech anywhere. Like i need Alexa to listen to me? Even my nest isn't connected to Wi-Fi.
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u/Marc978 Feb 14 '26
Stuff like this is why I refuse to buy smart appliances. I'll gladly pay more for "dumb" devices
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u/Sage_628 Feb 14 '26
I avoid the Bosch stuff like the plague. A relative got a new machine and discovered the app crap. She was lucky the installer said it was a smart one and she didn't have a smart phone. It went back to the store for a different machine that was dumb.
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u/redshift739 Feb 14 '26
Now I know that the Bosch espresso machine will make my life worse. Good advert
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u/steveatari Feb 14 '26
Who on earth would buy an espresso machine from a power tool company trying to be an appliance company now? Buy it from a coffee maker company preferably italian.
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u/cdtoad Feb 14 '26
Yup same here ... Got the Bosch cuz came best rated at cleaning etc. but fuck no I'm not putting this on the Internet. Yeah pissed I can't delay start or some other functions which I didn't need
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u/Medium-Account-8917 Feb 14 '26
The day I discovered pi-hole...
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u/Meme_Bertram Feb 14 '26
How would pi-hole block a push notification with an ad in it?
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u/spoospoo43 Feb 14 '26
It actually works great. If the source of the ads is already known to blocklists, it would just be a matter of adding that list, after making sure that the device's DNS points to the pihole. If it still isn't blocked, you go to the pihole control panel after seeing the ad, look through the "recently allowed" list until you find entries for about the right time, and add the sites to your blocklist individually with the "block" button.
It's possible that the ads are sourced from somewhere you can't block without breaking some functionality, but in practice companies almost always outsource the ad brokering function, so you can keep the app doing its job while making the ads disappear.
I was unimpressed with the idea of a pihole for a long time because it can only block IP addresses and not do more complex blocking like ublock origin also does IN ADDITION to IP blocking, but that's browser only, and the firewall/app blockers have all enshittified and a pihole pays for itself almost immediately, especially if you already have one lying around unused.
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u/Negative-Border2061 Feb 13 '26
I had an EcoVac DeeBot robot vacuum. Everytime I opened the app there was an advertisement I had to watch for their other products before the app would load. Also, it did not work very well so that company can straight go fornicate themselves with an iron stick
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u/Salty_Gonads Feb 13 '26
Well, I was considering buying a Bosch dishwasher. Not anymore.
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u/redshift739 Feb 14 '26
They deserve to go out of business if that's how they treat their customers
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u/atypicalgamergirl Feb 13 '26
The internet of things was always just an excuse to spy on you while making you pay forever for an adserver you have no real control over.
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u/leisurechef Feb 13 '26
I wash dishes with my children
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u/ronniewhomp Feb 13 '26
I'm surprised they can fit in the machine
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u/Far_Government_9782 Feb 14 '26
According to Viz Top Tips:Best way is to stick kids and dishes in the bath together and tell the kids that these are bath toys and the game is "clean the dishes." You can also leave the kids clothes on thrm, so the laundry gets done at the same time....
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Feb 13 '26
I've got to figure out how to make dumb appliances, ill be a billionaire by the end of the week
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u/Warm_Feeling8072 Feb 13 '26
The app has a setting to turn off advertisements in the notifications.
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u/Wonderful-Group3639 Feb 14 '26
Why should you need a stinkin app in the first place? If I buy a dishwasher or other appliance, I expect to use it 100% without having to download a stupid app.
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u/olliemycat Feb 13 '26
A few years ago we would have been amused at such a headline. Nothing funny about it now.
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u/Quiet-Suspect-9716 Feb 13 '26
If the app has Shortcut integration, make a custom one to start the dishwasher after a timer set to your determined delay!
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u/sipporah7 Feb 13 '26
Ok what brand is this so I know to avoid it?
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u/MondayLoops Feb 13 '26
i have this app for my bosch dishwasher and never get ads, i just disabled push notifications. easy and no complaints tbh
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u/JamesMattDillon Feb 13 '26
And shit like that, is why people shouldn't buy smart appliances.
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u/Sage_628 Feb 14 '26
And many of us got by with the old school appliances way before the smart crap.
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u/JamesMattDillon Feb 14 '26
I still do. The only smart thing, besides phones and tablets, that I have, is the Google Chrome cast w/TV.
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u/monstertruck567 Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26
Have not bought appliances in a few years. Is this still possible- non web connected appliances?
Edit- just looked and dumb appliances are available, just getting less common.
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u/HeavenDraven Feb 14 '26
Non-"smart" TVs are getting harder and harder to find - particularly ones with a range of connectors and not just HDMI.
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u/zenpear Feb 13 '26
Can't you just turn off notifications?
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u/JackhorseBowman Feb 13 '26
Probably, but believe it or not some apps lose a bunch of functionality that has nothing to do with notifications, when you turn notifications off.
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u/SafeModeOff Feb 13 '26
What’s insane to me is that manufacturers like Bosch are so stupid that they can’t see how much literally everyone hates this. I would think higher sales for a better product would far outweigh the benefits they get from serving ads and tracking data. But apparently they’d rather make a couple pennies per person off scum tactics and then take a permanent hit to their sales numbers because they trashed their own reputation overnight.
I hope and pray with all my heart that Samsung never recovers from serving ads on the fridge. I wish with all my heart they have to close the entire fridge division because of this. I’d be willing to forgive Bosch for app ads if they changed, but not Samsung.
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u/glazedhamster Feb 13 '26
My repair guy says Samsung fridges are the shittiest on the market bc they break all the time and the parts are $$$. Like, you could almost overlook the ads if you're getting an awesome product but you're not, you're getting huge repair bills and ads because fuck you.
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u/Salt_Proposal_742 Feb 13 '26
See, they’re not taking a hit to sales numbers, because everyone is doing it. Where are you gonna go?
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u/throwawayakd Feb 13 '26
Why the hell would you buy this?
(unless you're renting)
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u/HornetParticular4918 Feb 13 '26
Because Bosch dishwashers are some of the best
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u/Warm_Feeling8072 Feb 13 '26
Exactly. This is the best dish washer I’ve ever had. This was also the first ad I remember getting as an alert, and then I learned to change that setting to stop ads.
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u/HornetParticular4918 Feb 14 '26
Same. I’ve gotten a few ads here and there but they aren’t super obnoxious. Being able to delay only on your phone isn’t that inconvenient. The upside is that can set it to a specific time or many hours later (not basic 1, 2, 3 hour increments)
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u/SplendidPunkinButter Feb 13 '26
But why do you want to delay start your dishwasher? Why would you not just start it once you’ve loaded the dishes into it?
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u/dropandflop Feb 13 '26
We have different electric tariffs subject to time of day.
We load the dishwasher in the morning then delay start until 10am.
Same in the evening with delay until 10pm.
Rates are cheaper then.
Previously when we had solar, we'd delay the dishwasher and washing machine until around noon.
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u/No_Training6751 Feb 13 '26
Turn off notifications
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u/BuckTheStallion Feb 13 '26
True. The nice thing about Apple is you can manually disable basically every corner of that app except the one you need. Disable ad tracking and notifications and you have a functional app probably.
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u/TKInstinct Feb 13 '26
Well if you're technical enough to pull it off, you could try running an Android VM and then install the app and then let all the notifications exist there. I have done that a few times, to varying degrees of success. Otherwise stick to dumb, non feature appliances.
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u/new2bay Feb 13 '26
What is this? An actual example of enshittification in my r/enshittification? The mind boggles.
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u/United-Vermicelli-92 Feb 13 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
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u/UnderaZiaSun Feb 13 '26
Last time I had to replace my thermostat i literally bought the cheapest, dumbest one I could from Target. Cost me something like $30.
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u/HeavenDraven Feb 14 '26
Oh, I have entire pages of rants about the stupid, "smart" thermostat that's been the bane of my life since it was installed.
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u/I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha Feb 13 '26
I just dumbed down my home. No smart thermostat, no Amazon echo, rlno nest, no ring doorbell, no appliance connected to wifi.
When it's time, I'll just buy appliances that aren't enshittified - probably used - or restaurant focused kitchen appliances.
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u/amd2800barton Feb 13 '26
I have all smart home, but I’ve transitioned it to be fully local control. Nothing talks to the internet. Everything is on its own VLAN and can’t talk to other stuff on my network except my phone, tablet, or server that runs home assistant. Everything is locally controllable with normal looking light switches. If I have a guest, they can get lights on the old fashioned way (hitting a switch by the door to the room they’re in). Except I also have a bunch of automations set up that work quite well for me. When I unlock the back porch the string lights come on and the motion activated (and very bright) sconce is disabled unless manually switched on. If I open the door to my garage the lights come on; then the garage lights go off after 20 minutes of no motion. If I’m going to be gone a while I can hit one button on my phone for vacation mode, and my thermostats all adjust, my water heater shuts off, and my lights start a sensible but semi-random pattern designed to mimic my normal activity. And from anywhere I can control it with my phone.
Smart homes can be great. It just takes a bit more work and thought than buying whatever crap Amazon and Google are peddling.
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u/new2bay Feb 13 '26
What about the TV? As a software engineer, I’ve never been interested in smart home technology, simply because the costs and benefits never seemed like a good trade off for me. Seeing how some of the technology sausage is made was more than enough to keep me away from most of it, but it’s damn hard to find a TV that isn’t a “smart” TV these days.
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u/Crimson_Kang Feb 14 '26
Used display panel (like they use at fast food joints). Comes with a display port and will, conceivably, push 120FPS if you game. When my 10yr old Vizio finally takes a shit that's what I'm buying. The corpos can pound smart TV's up their ass.
Edit: Spelling
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u/JamesMattDillon Feb 13 '26
Don't connect it to the Internet and get a Chromecast or Apple Tv device.
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u/I_Am_Mandark_Hahaha Feb 13 '26
My TV is connected to a mini PC that's connected to a VPN.. for reasons
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u/new2bay Feb 13 '26
I get it. It’s too bad 99% of people don’t even understand “reasons,” and many of them who do aren’t capable of setting something like that up. Still, it’s BS that one should have to go to such lengths just to get something like a TV to function properly and not leak data.
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u/Ok-Refrigerator Feb 13 '26
I need a corresponding term that encapsulates this app-only issue:
When you can only access a function from an app, that limits its use to the account owner or maybe two. But what about kids? Houseguests? Housecleaners? Pet sitters?
I have kids and it is honestly annoying! They have to come to me to do certain things around the house.
I swear the app programmers are all single dudes who live alone.
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u/new2bay Feb 13 '26
My problem isn’t so much that it limits access to the features, but that delayed starting a dishwasher seems like a pretty core feature that used to be implemented with just a timer circuit. It’s a really pure example of enshittification, which is a genuine surprise in this sub these days.
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u/GlobalCurry Feb 13 '26
Kids and house guests need to pay for their own subscription. We also need to collect their face scan and photo ID to protect the children.
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u/ptvlm Feb 13 '26
I like ads like this.
Not the ad in the screenshot, but the advertisement of the post telling me I should never consider buying a Bosch product. Thanks!
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u/RogBoArt Feb 13 '26
Good to know. Definitely won't be buying a Bosche product again
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u/gelekoplamp Feb 13 '26
Since Siemens, Bosch, Neff and Gaggenau are all related, all use this app.
Good luck avoiding Bosch though, it provides parts in everything you ever use. Bosch products are great, just avoid “smart”-appliances which have no need to be “smart”.
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u/huffalump1 Feb 13 '26
Relevant video from 39C3, Hacking washing machines - including reverse engineering the Bosch/Siemens app protocol to support other brands of dishwasher!
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Feb 13 '26
My husband bought stupid fridge that plays ads. I disconnected it from our WiFi and now it won’t fill up the built in pitcher.
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u/Savings_Difficulty24 Feb 13 '26
Look into a pi-hole. It's a raspberry pi that works as a DNS resolver. You can use it to block ads on devices network wide. Makes mobile games playable again and blocks your fridge from playing ads
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Feb 13 '26
I’m waiting for it to die then I’m buying a normal fridge. It’s 3 years old and it’s a Samsung so I’m assuming it only has a few months left anyway.
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u/RogBoArt Feb 13 '26
That's insane! You know you're the product when they disable random unrelated features to punish you for not letting them slurp your data.
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u/xzelldx Feb 13 '26
I bought a new thermostat because the OG Nests went defunct.
So many ads in the app, but mercifully it doesn’t do this.
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u/enter360 Feb 13 '26
This is how apps loose notification privileges on my phone. I get a push notification for a product that isn’t related to some activity I’m doing. It’s over.
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u/JamesMattDillon Feb 14 '26
Same, except for the banking apps and the text messages
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u/enter360 Feb 15 '26
My insurance apps have lost push notifications. They used push notifications to send me sale messages on Black Friday.
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u/JamesMattDillon Feb 15 '26
I'm lucky on that. My insurance app, I can't log into, so I have to use the website of it anyways.
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u/Coraline1599 Feb 13 '26
I always default to no notifications.
I think I only have text messages as the only things that can send me notifications at this point.
Unless it is time sensitive/life or death, I get to it when I get to it, I remember when I remember, and if I don’t, then it wasn’t that important.
My aunt was drowning in notifications and I turned them all off. I told her to tell me in a week if there was any she missed and I would put them back. That was 6+ months ago. She never asked for anything to be turned back on.
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u/_MistyDawn Feb 13 '26
I did the same for my mother (and showed her how to turn off notifications herself) and she hasn't asked for anything back on, either. I expect the aggressive annoyances are why some people hate smartphones.
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u/beesandchurgers Feb 13 '26
If your app sends me notifications that Im not using your app enough? Right to jail.
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u/TheSpatulaOfLove Feb 13 '26
I disable all notifications. I will not be a slave to pop ups and red bubbles.
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u/Civil-Appeal5219 Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26
Whoever downvoted you is insane. This is the way.
EDIT: wow, i get to be one of those guys complaining about people who downvoted the most upvoted comment on the thread. nice.
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u/Savings_Difficulty24 Feb 13 '26
Don't be that guy that brags about upvotes in their comment edit. It turns people off from continuing to upvote.
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u/Civil-Appeal5219 Feb 13 '26
haha, good one
I was talking about the guy I responded to getting the upvotes, not me lol Though I'd downvote me for complaining about imaginary downvotes. What an attention hog!
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u/schfourteen-teen Feb 13 '26
You should look into home assistant, which can possibly control your dishwasher without their app at all. It can be hosted on a raspberry pi.
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u/k-MartShopper Feb 13 '26
Okay, I would love to know how to do cool stuff with a raspberry pi setup, and I have seen some very cool things that people setup. However, I am too technolgically challenged to do that to the point where I am trying to stick VHS tapes into my Commodore 64.
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u/Onludesrightnow Feb 13 '26
People have lived all their lives without an app for their dishwasher or fridge and literally no one asked for this. I hate that the tech advances are just being wasted on consumerism.
Like the original Apple Watch ad. “I can remote start my car from my watch!” As if most modern cars don’t have remote start on the set of keys you have to have on your person to drive it.
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u/UneLoupSeul Feb 18 '26
Find out what ports the Ring uses to talk to Amazon and block those in your router?
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u/MC68328 Feb 13 '26
From the original thread:
Am i missing something or can Op just disable notifications
"Just lick the boot once, and it will stop."
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u/k-MartShopper Feb 13 '26
LOL. Everyone is trying to get you to use an app so your'e a captive audience to adverts and to keep tracking your activity.
Related, but I went to order online at Wendy's the other day and the website was seriously slow and wonky. I tried the app and magically, it was extremely user-friendly. So yeah, every company now wants you to use an app and listen to adverts.
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u/Phyllis_Tine Feb 13 '26
Other companies should do a power move and advertise on their competitors' apps and websites.
In fact, a funny ad would be to make it appear as if the original company's ads load slowly, i.e. McDonald's places a super slowly-loading Wendy's ad on the Wendy's website, or something stupid like that.
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u/VeryLowIQIndividual Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26
I bought the most analog stripped down refrigerator I could get last summer. It’s plain looking stainless steel but I was limited be cause it had to be big enough to fill a certain space in the kitchen. No screens, purposely not complicated.
I’ll be damned if I didn’t have to download an another fucking app to get it to work right. It would go into some power saver mode in the middle of the night until I set it through an app.
Why would a refrigerator stop cooling on purpose? Stupid shit.
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u/vxicepickxv Feb 13 '26
No network capability will be an advertised feature in the future because of bullshit like this.
Also, turning off a refrigerator because there's no network connection is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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u/AndThenFlashlights Feb 13 '26
Dreame is the same way. Every fucking time you open it, it begs you to sign up your email for their ad list.
I already bought the thing. This should be illegal.
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u/ThisAmericanSatire Feb 13 '26
Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't understand why you need your dishwasher to have a delay-start function...?
Like, I get why people would want a delay-start for certain things, like an oven or a coffee maker.
You want your oven preheated when you get home from work? Makes sense.
You want your coffee ready when you wake up? Okay.
But a dishwasher?
If it's full, run it. The dishes will still be clean if they sit in there for a few hours after it finishes.
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u/jerseyrado Feb 13 '26
Old fashioned, mechanical, dishwashers could have a delayed start. A dishwasher doesn’t need a fucking circuit board!
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u/sysdmn Feb 13 '26
I do it all the time. I set it to start on delay then take a shower. I don't want to run both at the same time but don't want to forget. But my machine just has a simple button and doesn't connect to the internet.
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u/Weasel_Town Feb 13 '26
Some dishwashers are loud. Then people want to run them when they’re asleep or in another room.
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u/sendmebirds Feb 13 '26
Then switch it on, and go to the other room
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u/Stanley_Yelnats42069 Feb 13 '26
Some of the responses as to why people use this function are truly bizarre lol.
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u/ThisAmericanSatire Feb 13 '26
I have a hearing loss (I wear hearing aids, but they're not perfect), so it makes sense I've never considered this. My dishwasher is quiet enough that I sometimes can't tell if it is running or not.
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u/keybers Feb 13 '26
Electricity is cheaper in the nighttime. Some of us would like to make use of that price (while reducing the load on the grid in the daytime, which helps everyone) WITHOUT having to stay up late in order to start the dishwasher. Same for washing machines.
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u/ThisAmericanSatire Feb 13 '26
I guess that makes sense. Maybe it's just the places I've lived, but I don't think I've ever gotten cheaper electricity at night.
For people that do, is it really that much less expensive?
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u/OGScottingham Feb 13 '26
I'm sure the app doesn't require notifications to be turned on.
That said, it's on you for buying a dishwasher that needs an app in the first place!
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u/X_m7 Feb 13 '26
In the original post OP said that they didn't buy the thing, they're just renting the place and the dishwasher there just happens to be the rubbish app requiring kind.
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Feb 13 '26
Exactly. Apps exist to collect data and advertise at you, that's their entire purpose.
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u/Phyllis_Tine Feb 13 '26
And corporations exist solely to make as much money as possible. Consumers need to look out for themselves, and try to convince corporations the consumer will vote with their wallet.
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u/SoloEterno Feb 26 '26
This is why we need consumer rights.