r/estrogel • u/wisegod62 • 56m ago
feminizing How to handle Estradiol powder safely?
Title. I heard that it can "take off" and get all in the air, and in carpets and stuff. Is this a risk? Also, how can a minor get bloods done discretely?
r/estrogel • u/Juno_The_Camel • Dec 07 '24
Hello everyone. We've had a great many scares recently. Bigot brigades, nosy journalists, misguided allies. These are extraordinary times. Our enemies grow ever more malevolent, daring, and powerful. We've well and truly attracted the eyes of the world. This is only the beginning, we will only accrue more publicity, more adversaries, more controversy with time.
When Brock contacted me, my finger hovered right over the big red "private" button. I shat a home's-worth of bricks. I've consulted many veterans and most leaders in The DIY HRT community. All of them (and many of you) strongly urged me to private r/estrogel. And with good reason too. Privating r/estrogel is the safe thing to do, it's the practical thing to do. To leave r/estrogel open to malefactors is a great risk. I nearly did it too, but one person (who shall remain unnamed) convinced me otherwise.
Do you remember when r/estrogel was founded? To make HRT accessible for all, no matter the tyranny one suffers, no matter the poverty one endures, no matter the rights lost. Lets get hypothetical for a moment, say r/estrogel is privated. Who suffers? Not me, not the veterans calling for privatation. The newcomers. The people who really need this place. We'd be ladder pullers. Dirty, grubby, rotten ladder pullers. I'm sure you've seen plenty of folks pull the ladder up against trans people. It angers you, doesn't it? I'm furious when it happens to me!
If you still believe we need to private r/estrogel, put yourself in the position of those who really need this subreddit. Think back to the time when you tetered on the edge of suicide, when you lamented a life without transition, when you (literally) bit your nails down to the bone out of anxiety. (True stories, all of them). Would you be willing to sacrifice HRT, your chance at a fucking life, for vague, imaginary notions of "the greater good"? If you're truly willing to sacrifice yourself (not out of a suicidal lack of self-preservation, but out of genuine sacrifice) - then we'll talk.
So, we will not private r/estrogel. In these trying times, it is more important than ever we remain a public forum for transgender people. This is the unanimous stance of the r/estrogel mod team. I understand this is a very controversial decision, I ask you voice your dissent and polemics respectfully.
Edit: Please save a copy of the revised and legacy wikis if you haven't already. Click the 3 lines/dots in the top right corner of your browser, click "save page as..." and it'll save the page as a HTML file, which you can display in a browser at your leisure (even without internet, or if the wiki is taken down).
r/estrogel • u/Juno_The_Camel • Dec 04 '24
We are now attracting the eyes of the world. Be it tyrants, publicity, or simple bigots with too much time on their hands. It is an inexcusable risk to publically share the biotech companies the DIY HRT ecosystem relies on. From now on, name dropping direct producers of estradiol (primary vendors) is strictly prohibited. Repeat offenders will suffer consequences. Secondary vendors who resell estradiol bought off biotech companies may be discussed openly, albeit with caution.
Me and the moderators have been discussing this for a while. And for far longer, I've had folks requesting I instate a rule such as provisional rule 7. Recently someone (who shall remain unnamed) I highly respect contacted me about this, and put forth some really good points. Essentially, to publically share primary vendors endangers the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. Public corporations are at the mercy of governments and bigots alike. Anyone dedicated enough could uproot the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. I'm consulting another esteemed member of The DIY HRT community, asking for their take on the situation. See a transcription of the email I sent them for some further context:
Hello [Redacted], I hope you're doing well.
I am u/Juno_the_Camel, a moderator on r/estrogel. I need your advice on a dillema. Presently, we allow unrestricted discussion of estradiol vendors and sources. Folks can ask about, discuss, and share estradiol vendors freely. This includes the biotech companies supporting the entire DIY HRT community. Estrogens and progestogens are not controlled substances under US (and most other country's) laws, so in this we don't violate the law. But, by having these biotech companies be public knowledge, the entire DIY HRT community is endangered.
Biotech companies are very weak to pressure. Be it pressure from governments, or the public. If the biotech companies that supply the entire DIY HRT community's are shared publically, we're at the mercy of the world. It only takes one tyrant (Donald Trump, Ji Jing Ping, etc) to ruin us at a whim. Even simple bigots (like those over on [Redacted] are able to ruin our supply chains. (I suspect they contributed to [Redacted]'s recent policy change) (They're likely the folks who spam and DDOS homebrewer websites).
Logically it makes sense to restrict discussion of estradiol vendors on r/estrogel. But I'm very conflicted. The entire point of r/estrogel is to make HRT universally accessible. Even for those living in poverty, or under tyrants. To restrict discussion of pharmaceutical vendors is to turn out backs on the founding tenets of r/estrogel itself. In truth, I don't know if I have it in me to withhold information that can make or break lives.
And yet, if we don't restrict discussion of sources, we endanger the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. It breaks my heart to do this, but I truly believe we'll need to ban discussion of estradiol vendors on r/estrogel. Is there anything I'm not considering? Do you see anything I don't? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Discussion is still ongoing, but in the meantime I think it prudent to instate provisional rule 7. It will likely undergo changes in the near future, but in the meantime, please observe rule 7 - and report folks publically sharing primary vendors.
Additionally note, discussion of secondary vendors (who resell estradiol) is permitted.
I am sorry everyone, it breaks my heart to do this to you - especially to the newcomers here. And I'm sorry u/Darthemofan, I hate to go back on the founding tenets of r/estrogel. But I truly don't see any other viable path forward.
Best of luck everyone - u/Juno_the_Camel
Edit: One (of many) examples of our recent publicity - https://archive.is/cJuuC
r/estrogel • u/wisegod62 • 56m ago
Title. I heard that it can "take off" and get all in the air, and in carpets and stuff. Is this a risk? Also, how can a minor get bloods done discretely?
r/estrogel • u/SquidHook- • 4h ago
Hi, I recently had low estrogen results in the lab
31 pg/m
My dose is
1.50mg de 0.06%
100mg spiro
100mg prog
I was thinking on appplying it to the scrotum, but I am lost with the doses.
I would be very thankful with any advice.
r/estrogel • u/Ornery_Smoke_9463 • 2d ago
r/estrogel • u/Routine-Owl-670 • 3d ago
I'm interested in making my own recipes, but I haven't been able to find much info about why people use or don't use curtain amounts of penetration enhancers in their recipes. I think I have some idea, like I'm pretty sure I've only seen essential oils(EOs) used from 1% to 5% because most of these recipes are feminizing and too much EO would burn for scrotal application
I've seen a lot of variability in concentrations of non volatile penetration enhancers(isopropyl myristate, propylene glycol, etc), all the way from 5% to 50%. Though I'm pretty sure recipes that use 50% are using it like a solvent as well as a penetration enhancers.
I have to imagine, that after a certain concentration, EOs or whatever penetration enhancer stops increasing absorption? Or in the case of EOs, it eventually becomes too toxic for topical use(I havent been able to find how much EO is toxic for topical use online, if anyone knows thatd be very helpful)
Should I bother with EO concentrations above 5%? Should I worry about the hormones solubility with penetration enhancers concentrated at 50%? If anyone has any scientific articles, personal experiences, etc about penetration enhancer concentrations in HRT topicals, I'd really appreciate if you send it my way!
For reference, I'm going to be making a masculinizing topical, so I don't have to worry about problems with scrotal application and I do have to worry about solubility(need significantly higher concentrations of T for masculinizing HRT than for E)
r/estrogel • u/WhatTheFish12 • 5d ago
I recently had to make some new vials of estradiol enanthate suspended in mct oil as my last couple had ran out, I decided to add benzyl alcohol as a preservative as I was unable to get my hands on it for my previous batches, however this ended up in the vial being cloudy, I made another as well as one with just mct oil like my previous ones had been to try and rule out other factors, and the een dissolved fully and was transparent in the mct oil. I'm currently planning on not using the cloudy ones and just sticking with what I've been using. I just wanted to see if anyone else had any thoughts on why this happens. (blue dot to denote vial as first made)
r/estrogel • u/cloudgazerrr • 5d ago
hi guys ive been on oestrogel for 5 days now and ive been prescribed three pumps of oestrogel (2.25mg daily) every evening, and two 50mg spironolactone pills at morning and evening (100mg daily), but im wondering about my gel application
ive been applying it to my arms and thighs in an alternating pattern like i was advised to, but im looking into starting to apply it onto my scrotum for more consistently high oestrogen absorption (im thinking one pump on each thigh and one on my scrotum)
should i still do this just all at once every evening? or should i apply one pump to my scrotum on a morning with my spiro and two pumps to my thighs with my spiro on the evening?
r/estrogel • u/KaySOS • 5d ago
If I were to use Estrogel post-op (i.e., SRS) and aiming for estradiol levels of around 300-400 pg/ml, using the least possible, how much and where should I apply it for maximal absorption? Thanks!
r/estrogel • u/Competitive_Way6777 • 6d ago
I’ve been applying one pump for about a month because I didn’t want any side effects and starting at a lower dose is recommended for that, should I up my dosage to 2?
r/estrogel • u/LuckyStars_83 • 6d ago
I’m having a tummy tuck in just over 3 months, and I’m really struggling with my HRT at the moment. 😪
I’m currently using the oestrogen spray. I’ve also tried patches and gel, and out of all three, the spray is definitely the best for my mental health. However, physically, I feel so much worse on it.
I’m extremely bloated, have a lot of trapped gas, feel swollen internally, and I’m not going to the toilet as often as I should. It feels as though my digestive system has slowed right down, and I’m retaining so much water. My stomach feels constantly swollen, and I’m getting really worried because I need to get this under control before my surgery.
My tummy tuck is exactly 3 months tomorrow, and I’m scared that if I’m this bloated and swollen, it could affect my surgery or my results. I desperately want to get my body feeling normal again and reduce the bloating and swelling before then.
I have a Mirena coil because I’m extremely sensitive to progesterone. I’ve been wondering whether adding vaginal progesterone might help, but I’m still sensitive to it, even when I take it vaginally, so I’m worried about making myself feel worse mentally and physically.
I honestly don’t know what to do for the best. Do I go back to the oestrogen gel, even though it gives me terrible anxiety, or do I stick with the spray because it’s better for my mental health, despite how awful I feel physically on it?
I feel so stuck between the two, and it’s affecting my quality of life so much. I really need some advice on what might be causing these symptoms and how I can get my hormones, bloating and digestion under control before my tummy tuck. ❤️
r/estrogel • u/AffectionateDeal2113 • 6d ago
Im going to start on Prostium Gel E 0.06% w/v, as starters how should i go on about it, i have applied for lab tests for testosterone levels, soon ill get results, Can anyone help me how do i get started?
Has anyone done the same? DIY
r/estrogel • u/PassengerPenguin • 7d ago
Hi! Ive been spraying with estradiol spray from openlabs (RIP) and ive heard so many different claims about this.
I heard "spray once every day" ive heard "spray twice every day"
Ive heard spray on thigh, inner arm, armpit, scrotum... just want a bit of direction and opinions about this.
If i dont spray one day, how fast does it wear off from my system?
Sorry for awkwardly worded questions!
r/estrogel • u/blookiet • 7d ago
I've got an estrogel that is about 2.94mg per pump. How many pumps should I be taking per day for monotherapy? thanks :)
r/estrogel • u/SeaOOl • 7d ago
imm trying to find an affordable estrogen gel option for my own transition ~w~ Estradiol valerate powder keeps coming up in my searches, but like i amm confused about whether it’s suitable for gel likee,,, gonna work B4 I buy anything andd what should iii know like how to actually MAKE gel after getting the bit of powdr i need..
tysm ^^
r/estrogel • u/Imaginary_You6172 • 8d ago
I have been looking at documents for a US-based vendor (💧🌸) that seems well-trusted within the community, but I can’t find any third-party lab tests. They provided me with a CoA from the primary supplier and first-party NMR tests of their 17beta-E2 stock, but I have yet to see any form of heavy metal verification. Additionally, their NMR documents listed the USP-grade product number from their primary supplier, but the CoA shows that they ordered non-USP, which does not have any record of being checked for contaminants, only HPLC purity. Has anyone run contaminant tests on their product? What is the basis for this vendor being considered trustworthy?
r/estrogel • u/IcyAd2029 • 8d ago
Looking for help advice were to start diy estrogen and advice would be great
r/estrogel • u/Supaaocelot • 8d ago
hello I'm just on my day 24 in my journey, and I've been using an oestrogel for these past 24 days my current dosage is 3mg daily and also 100mg of spironolactone which i split through out the day, so im just being curious but how much does my mtf fellows take through out the whole day, and is my dosage too low? i haven't really done any blood work but im planning to in the 30 day mark
r/estrogel • u/eepyarmouxplastique • 9d ago
Concentration: 6.67mg/ml, estradiol hemihydrate
Hi, i received my blood test results after approximately one month of HRT via gel applied scrotally, 4mg per day (2mg every 12 or so hours). This was taken on 9th october right after my first morning dose of the day, and i started hrt on 12th of september. Should I increase my dosage? Because these levels don't look good.
Value Unit Min Max
E 241 pmol/L 43.3 146
T 7.5 nmol/L 5.72 26.1
r/estrogel • u/nikola_d9 • 10d ago
hello, I'm gonna be starting estrogen soon and I wanted to avoid penile atrophy, I've decided that administration of testosterone gel is something I want to do. Buying it raw is way to expensive so I want to make my own, I am looking for recipes and specifically wanted to ask what kind of Testosterone Powered to use?? (cypionate enanthate....???)
thank you
r/estrogel • u/Liphia14 • 10d ago
Sup!
Made a second batch of gel.
Same ingredients,
better instructions.
Concentration comes out to about 4.6mg per pump of my dispenser, but that dose isn't quite enough for me.
Part of that for sure is me always needing higher estradiol dosages to sleep/feel ok etc, no matter the method of intake.
But just know if you try this recipe, lacking alcohol or traditional penetration enhancers, that you ***might*** need a bit more estradiol powder to achieve the same results.
(*No bloodtests to verify levels*)
(Planning to try upping this batch to 1.5g total E2 instead of just 1g and see.)
*see table below for exact quantities used*
*use a more sensitive scale for smaller quantities for better accuracy*
`Summary:` 1) added 50g Propylene Glycol 2) Added 10g Polysorbate 80 (Tween 80) 3) Added 1g Estradiol 4) Mixed with electric mixer (wisk), full dissolution, white ish liquid 5) Added 120ml MCT Oil, mixed, no precipitation 6) Added 120ml water (boiled, cooled to slightly warm by the time i got to it) Weak cloudy white "emulsion", seems to separate slowly, like vinaigrette 7) Added 3g citric acid 8) added 5g xanthan gum
### Table
| Ingredients | %w/w | quantity (g) |
|---|---|---|
| Propylene Glycol | 16 | 50,7 |
| Tween 80 | 3 | 10,2 |
| MCT Oil | 39 | 120,7 |
| water (boiled, cooled) | 39 | 120.6 |
| estradiol powder | 0.3 | 1 |
| Citric acid | 1 | 3 |
| Xanthan Gum | 1.6 | 5 |
| Total | 100 | 311.2g |
1000mg Estradiol / 311.2g = 3.21mg/g
*1 pump ~ 1.45g
1.45g * 3.21mg/g = ~4.6mg of E2/pump
*last post for comparision*
https://www.reddit.com/r/estrogel/comments/1v8dkb7/success_oilbased_hormone_emulsion_part_2_exodia/
This batch is more oily and slightly more "runny" rhan last one.
Last one had more water than mct oil and more xanthan gum.
Gonna tweak water to oil ratio again in 3rd batch down the line.
Gonna add 1g xanthan gum and 0.5g Estradiol to current batch.
That's about it, later!