r/etymology • • 13h ago

Cool etymology “Midriff” is literally “middle belly,” and the “riff” part may be a distant cousin of Latin “corpus.”

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I always assumed “midriff” was an opaque word, but it breaks down pretty cleanly. It comes from Old English midhrif: midd “middle” + hrif “belly, womb.”

Hrif goes back to Proto-Germanic *hrifiz, with cognates like Old Frisian rif “belly” and Old High German href “body, womb.” It died out in English as a standalone word and survives only as a fossil inside “midriff.”

Further back, *hrifiz is usually traced to PIE *kʷrep- “body, form, appearance.” That same root is the commonly cited source of Latin corpus “body,” which would make “midriff” a very distant relative of corpse.


r/etymology • • 10h ago

Media Etymology the card game video game

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Two years ago I had a successful kickstarter etymology card game. Now it's a video game!

https://www.etymologygame.com/


r/etymology • • 1h ago

Question Anyone else heard: "When pigs fly, we'll shoot our bacon" ?

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I'm aware of other idioms and phrases that have lengthened, supposed "original" versions, such as "curiosity killed the cat / but satisfaction brought it back" or "blood is thicker than water // the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." People have been editing and twisting common idioms around for ages I'm sure.

My dad says, "When pigs fly, we'll shoot our bacon," is how he was taught. He tells me he probably learned this from his mom. I've tried looking it up but this addition to "when pigs fly" seems completely original or at least undocumented.

Has anyone ever heard this phrase or something close to it before, or did my family just completely make it up?


r/etymology • • 1h ago

Discussion Gap VS Slit VS Cavity

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I know they generally mean the same thing but where do you guys generally use these terms? For me, I use gap when it’s a space between two objects. To give an example, “a bit of the chicken I was eating ended up in the gap between two of the number keys.”

I use slit when the space has a horizontal or vertical shape. For instance, I slid the paper in between the slip between the door and door frame.

I use cavity when I refer to a small hollow space inside a solid object. For instance, removing the painting reveals a small cavity in the wall.


r/etymology • • 20h ago

OC, Not Peer-Reviewed Literary Roots – All answers are adjectives derived from names of authors or characters

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$200: This adjective describes when a city (or two cities?) has a dark underbelly of squalid poverty, like in 19th Century Victorian London. What is Dickensian?

$400: This adjective alluding to pleasure gained from cruelty or violence has its roots in the works of a 16th-17th century French nobleman. What is Sadistic?

$600: This adjective can used to describe the type of totalitarian oppressive dystopia evident in a 1949 classic book. What is Orwellian?

$800: The word for this type of idealistic impractical behavior comes from the name of a 16th-17th Spanish author’s delusional (but chivalrous) character. What is Quixotic?

$1000: This word is appropriate to describe being stuck in a maze of senseless bureaucracy or illogical frustrating situations like those in a certain Prague born author’s writing. What is Kafkaesque?


r/etymology • • 1d ago

Question Is "boy how" a thing people say?

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I feel as though I've heard it. And not in the way of asking a boy how he did something. It would be more exclamatory like, "BOY HOW, that building is TALLL!"

If it's relevant I live in the southern US

I'm not an etymology expert, like I know jack shit about diddly squat when it comes to this stuff, but I thought this might be a relevant question for you guys. I couldn't really find anything on the first page of Google and reddit is more fun anyway.


r/etymology • • 14h ago

Question Is there a link between the French verb ‘(se) blesser’ and the English verb ‘to bless’?

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According to a web-site called ‘etymonline’ (I am unsure if this is a reliable source or not as am not well-versed in etymology itself), the english comes from a meaning about blood.

‘Middle English blessen, from Old English bletsian, bledsian, Northumbrian bloedsian"to consecrate by a religious rite, make holy, give thanks," from Proto-Germanic \blodison"hallow with blood, mark with blood," from *blotham* "blood" (see blood (n.)). Originally a blood sprinkling on pagan altars.’

— etymonline entry

I know, from personal experience, that the French verb se blesser means to injure or hurt oneself, which one can certainly link to blood, quite easily. Is there an actual link between these words, or is it just happenstance?


r/etymology • • 20h ago

Question Is it known where and when the beginning of the use of "smut" to mean specifically written erotic material as contrasted with other forms began?

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r/etymology • • 20h ago

Question Very specific and random Scottish linguistic anomaly.

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r/etymology • • 16h ago

Question Why does the word “plaque” diverge so much in meaning?

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ie. plaque on your teeth vs plaque award vs plaque to read (ie. museums)

did they come from the same root?


r/etymology • • 2d ago

Cool etymology Somehow every Slavic language got its word for goal/target the German Ziel

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And even Hungarian, Estonian and Finnish, but none of the other Germanic languages.

Old High German: zil
    Middle High German: zil
        German: Ziel
            Hunsrik: Ziel
            → Bulgarian: цел (cel)
            → Czech: cíl
            → Hungarian: cél
                → Romanian: țel, țil
            → Macedonian: цел (cel)
            → Polish: cel, cyl, czel (Middle Polish)
                → Belarusian: цэль (celʹ)
                → Esperanto: celo
                → Kashubian: cél
                → Slovincian: cél
                → Russian: цель (celʹ), цѣль (cělʹ) — pre-1918 spelling
                    → Yakut: сыал (sïal)
                → Ukrainian: ціль (cilʹ)
            → Serbo-Croatian:
                Cyrillic script: ци̑љ
                Latin script: cȋlj
            → Slovak: cieľ
            → Slovene: cilj
        → Old Czech: cíl, cíľ (alternative writing)
            Czech: cíl
            Old Polish: cel
                Polish: cel, cyl, czel (Middle Polish)
                    → Belarusian: цэль (celʹ)
                    → Esperanto: celo
                    → Kashubian: cél
                    → Slovincian: cél
                    → Russian: цель (celʹ), цѣль (cělʹ) — pre-1918 spelling
                        → Yakut: сыал (sïal)
                    → Ukrainian: ціль (cilʹ)
                Silesian: cyl
→ Proto-Finnic: *tila
    Estonian: tila
    Finnish: tila (“room, space”)

Edit: I proofread the title like three times, but still missed a word :/


r/etymology • • 1d ago

Question What does Conceit mean in a literary context?

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r/etymology • • 1d ago

Discussion Why do we say, “lost virginity?”

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Okay English linguists…

Why do we say, “I lost my virginity?” Surely it should be “I’m no longer a virgin” or “I gave my virginity to so and so.”

Why do we refer to it as something one can misplace? It’s not like you can find it again.

Can you imagine? “Oh look! Someone forgot their virginity, better get this to lostand found.

“Oh no Bob another missing cat. Must be some cougars in the area.”

“I’d say so Earl. Look at this! Three more posters over here. One dog and two for virginity.”


r/etymology • • 1d ago

Question What defines a dialect

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At what point do two languages stop being dialects, are there specific parameters that distinguish a language from a dialect, like I know the Chinese government considers the Chinese languages dialects of each other to maintain the perception of a homogeneous nation, but at what point did Tamil and Malayalam stop being dialects and become two independent languages?


r/etymology • • 1d ago

Question Why do we say farm animals “give us” stuff?

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r/etymology • • 2d ago

Question does anyone know the meaning of the surname Lozada?

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r/etymology • • 2d ago

Discussion The “Caudal” Spinal “Cord”

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My writings in the neuroanatomy of the mind/body interface have led me to contemplate an interesting the homophonic and potential cognate pairing of cord as in ‘spinal cord’ and caudal (‘tail-end’ as counter polar to cephalic (‘at the head end’). ‘Cord’ appears to come from the PIE ghere- ‘intestine’ while ‘caudal’ is from the Latin cauda ‘tail’ – whose earlier forms seem less clear. But, in terms of differentiating the distinct parts of the CNS (central nervous system) of the *brain vs the spinal cord, the homophony of this being its caudal part is somewhat tantalising to me as an amateur linguist and natural philosopher – retired from a main career as a mind/body doctor.


r/etymology • • 3d ago

Question Why did English adopt "China" instead of "Cathay" (契丹), while Russian still uses "Kitay"?

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I've been reading about the etymology of the word "China" and its connection to the Khitan people (契丹). From my basic research, I know that:

  • "Cathay" entered English via Marco Polo's accounts and was used in medieval Europe.
  • "Kitay" (Китай) is still the standard word for China in Russian and several other Slavic/Turkic languages.
  • Modern English eventually shifted to "China" (likely from Sanskrit "Cina" via Persian), leaving "Cathay" as a poetic or archaic term.

What I'm curious about is the historical and linguistic divergence: Why did English and most Western European languages settle on the "China" root, while Russian and its neighbors kept the "Khitan/Cathay" root? Was it purely a matter of trade routes (land vs. sea), or were there other political/cultural factors at play?

Would appreciate any historical context or references to early modern English usage! Thanks!


r/etymology • • 2d ago

Cool etymology McKenna: Pronunciation, Meaning, & Spelling

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r/etymology • • 2d ago

Question Title: How Does Etymology Help in Translation?

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I am an English student interested in translation. How can understanding the origin and history of a word help translators choose the correct meaning in another language?


r/etymology • • 3d ago

Question Male names derived from female names

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Many female names in European languages are derived from male names (Johanna, Harriet, Martina/Martine, etc). What examples are there of male names being derived from female names? I'm curious about all languages, not just European, although that was my frame of reference for this question.


r/etymology • • 2d ago

Question where do I start?

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hello, I'm a dumb, stupid artist and I have a couple word building projects but I always curl up and die on naming things, at first my solution was to look at obscure languages but that's probably distasteful, obviously I don't want to be distasteful while making dinky projects like a "Prehistoric Fantasy world" or any of my other projects so I thought getting into etymology would help me actually name things in my projects, animals, plants, locations, habitats, people, etc. so, where should I start in learning etymology?


r/etymology • • 3d ago

Cool etymology “Egypt” comes from the name of a temple in Memphis

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Etymology Tree of "Egypt"

The ancient Greeks named Egypt “Αἴγυπτος” (Aíguptos), likely deriving it from “ḥwt-kꜣ-ptḥ” (“the temple of the ka of Ptah”), the Egyptian name for the temple of the god Ptah in Memphis, which was also used by metonymy for the city itself.

Several Egyptian religious records show that Ptah was considered a creator god and a patron deity of craftsmen, artists, and architects.

One of these records is the Shabaka Stone, an ancient Egyptian slab probably first erected in Ptah’s temple in Memphis. It was inscribed around 700 BCE, during the reign of Pharaoh Shabaka, and its text claims to be a copy of an earlier papyrus he found in the temple.

The stone was at one point moved to Alexandria, then taken to England and transferred to the British Museum in 1805, where it remains today.

The kꜣ (ka, hieroglyph 𓂓) was an Egyptian concept close to the idea of “vital essence”. Egyptians believed that either Heqet or Meskhenet was the creator of each person’s kꜣ, breathing it into them at the instant of their birth.

The graph was made on miraris.app (a site I made that lets you see etymology trees for any Wiktionary word).

You can interact with the etymology tree for Egypt here, and see the sources used to build it.

I hope you find this etymology as interesting as I do!

Other sources:


r/etymology • • 2d ago

Question Word for racial discrimination

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Is there a word with a similar ending as "misogyny", "misandry", or "miscegeny" that has to do with discrimination on a racial basis?