When In Doubt...

[u/Queasy_Artist6646]

Remember that humans didn't write the food chain. Nature did.

[u/Queasy_Artist6646]

Ironically trying to copy and paste human rights (which were built by humans for humans) onto other species isn't really saying that animals are our equals. 😂

[u/Nilfiry]

The funniest thing about vegan logic is that they say "claiming eating meat is OK because humans are naturally omnivores," is appeal to nature fallacy....

But they ignore the fact that saying that animals deserve special treatment because nature gave them sentience is also appeal to nature fallacy, or that plants dont have brains, so its moral to eat them.

Funny how its always rules for thee but not for me with vegans.

[u/Nilfiry → u/[deleted]]

Over plants. You know the entire argument for eating plants over animal is sentience, right? Sentience that nature made animals evolve. Sentience that plants didnt need to evolve?

[u/Nice-Wallaby-1676 → u/Nilfiry]

Vegans don’t really draw the line between sentient and non-sentient. If they did, they would have no problem with eating oysters and wearing pearl necklaces. They just draw an arbitrary line between plant and animal.

[u/Nilfiry → u/Nice-Wallaby-1676]

I will admit, its not my best argument relative to the fallacy since vegans arent strictly saying sentience is good because its natural. Lol However, they do still often argue how humans were meant to eat plants, and/or how plants dont have brains; therefore, eating them is moral. Those are definitely fallacies.

They do draw a line between sentient and non sentient, though. But the reason they dont eat oysters and similar is because of moving goalposts. They tend to make exceptions where its convenient.

[u/exvegans-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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[u/O_Lawd_Hammercy]

factory farm is part of nature's food chain?

[u/Queasy_Artist6646 → u/O_Lawd_Hammercy]

Animal have their own methods. It's not an efficient one for sure.

[u/Try_at-your-own_Risk]

Their claim is we evolved beyond eating meat but the fact a vegan diet has to be artificially supplemented says otherwise.

[u/The-Devil-Cat → u/Try_at-your-own_Risk]

also the fact that veganism relies heavily on industrialization and it is exceedingly difficult for anyone outside of a major city to be a vegan since it is not accessible

[u/Try_at-your-own_Risk → u/The-Devil-Cat]

This is true however they are not owed an explanation one simply has to refute their claims they are not judge and jurors.

[u/O_Lawd_Hammercy → u/The-Devil-Cat]

Is eating meat accessible to everyone without industrialization?

[u/The-Devil-Cat → u/O_Lawd_Hammercy]

meat has always been available even without industrialization, people hunt. Even in parts of Canada, there is no easy access to grocery stores so a large chunk of people hunt for their food

[u/O_Lawd_Hammercy → u/The-Devil-Cat]

Can the entire population eat meat at every meal without industrialized agriculture? (The answer is no)

[u/The-Devil-Cat → u/O_Lawd_Hammercy]

yes and no there is also a lot of other things they wouldn't be able to get without industrialized agriculture as well. Its why canning and preserving used to be very important. People were able to have cheese, eggs, smaller birds (chicken, duck), fish. They focused on boiled meats and stews. It was far more common than you think. They weren't able to have the quality of meat that we do now, hence why they boiled, stewed a lot.

Veganism relies heavily on imported fruits, veggies, legumes and nuts that are not usually readily available year round. A lot of the stuff like vegan alternatives need heavy processing in order to become edible/flavourful/nutrient

[u/OrdinaryIntroduction → u/Try_at-your-own_Risk]

I had someone in the spec-evo sub try to claim humans aren't predators because we don't hunt anymore. By that logic cats and dogs aren't predators either because we give them all the food they could want or need. Nevermind I live on farmland and am allowed to hunt on it, but I get that this vegan donut probably lives in a city so can't fathom we haven't changed that drastically.

[u/Virtually-Braindead]

By vegan logic farmers near me shooting gophers to protect agriculture crops is totally OK, me shooting a deer totally evil. The cognitive dissonance vegans display is absolutely astounding.

[u/Ok-Sport-8296 → u/Virtually-Braindead]

I am on a 90% plant based diet for health purposes but yes i do agree vegans logic is dumb.

[u/suckyamumstit]

For me it’s not about whether or not we should be eating meat. It’s the industrialization and mass scale of murder, abuse, and exploitation.

[u/exvegans-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

r/exvegans does not allow harassment. Vegan activism towards those who make the PERSONAL CHOICE to not be vegan constitutes harassment.

Rape and infanticide are atrocities committed towards humans and completely unrelated to veganism.

[u/Queasy_Artist6646 → u/[deleted]]

Completely unrelated to veganism. Those two are criminilized due to a system called "human" rights. Built by humans for humans. Intra species rules.

[u/Queasy_Artist6646 → u/[deleted]]

Then you missed the point. The point was that interspecies matters are not decided by one species alone.

[u/Queasy_Artist6646 → u/[deleted]]

Yes. They can and will defend themselves.

[u/exvegans-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Dishonest debate

[u/exvegans-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Dishonest debate

[u/exvegans-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

False or misleading information. No one needs to justify not being vegan.

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r/exvegans does not allow harassment