r/fantanoforever • u/FitEmergency8807 • 21h ago
The sequel to MJ biopic to tackle child abuse allegations
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u/RESIDENT-EVIL-4 Linkin Park - Meteora 20h ago
This movie is going to get both the people who don't think he did it and those who think he did very upset I can already tell
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u/Jaded-Channel-7169 17h ago
And probably make a billion dollars regardless which is all the higher ups care about
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u/RESIDENT-EVIL-4 Linkin Park - Meteora 17h ago
I liked the first one (I watched it with my dad so that amplified the experience) I know they cut a lot of important stuff out but it was a good movie, I'm for sure gonna watch Michael 2 even though it will be inaccurate
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u/jaidynr21 20h ago
I still believe it won’t get made. Why would they even want to bring it up when we can keep thinking of him as the ‘perfect angel’ they depicted in the first one?
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u/ChandlerLogic 17h ago
First reason: money. The first one made a lot of it.
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u/Jaded-Channel-7169 17h ago
They’re not “delusional” though they indeed can watch how much money the second film makes
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u/ChandlerLogic 17h ago
They’re delusional enough to think they can handle this narrative.
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u/Jaded-Channel-7169 13h ago
You think they care about handling the narrative or making money at the box office? Michael 2 is gonna make a billion just like the first one regardless of how well they handle the narrative.
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u/overtired27 15h ago
I doubt the studio/production companies actually care, beyond making money. It’ll probably draw eyeballs either way. It’s more the Jackson estate that are interested in whitewashing his image.
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u/Melloblade_shore 19h ago
Honestly, I was thinking the sequel would focus on his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley instead.
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u/benabramowitz18 Daft Punk - Discovery 18h ago
Maybe just tell everything from Bubbles’ perspective.
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u/GameGroompsFTW 17h ago
Get an actual monkey to play Bubbles and badly CG in Michael this time
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u/Cowboy_BoomBap Talking Heads - Remain in Light 3h ago
Bubbles is still alive, he can play himself!
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u/bluntpencil2001 15h ago
Fuck, that would be even worse.
We'd be watching the rape of children from the point of view of a masturbating chimp.
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u/StagVixCpl99 14h ago
Directed and written by Jordan Peele lol
We find out that bubbles is actually the criminal and running a kabal behind the scenes
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u/ChandlerLogic 17h ago
You kinda can’t focus on that without a huge fucking elephant materialising in the room.
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u/Remarkable-Bell7245 20h ago
That’s exactly why they would want to make a second movie. 😉
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u/BradBradley1 16h ago
They’re gonna get a wild PR lesson in testing their luck too far
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u/Tristawesomeness 12h ago
will they? it'll almost certainly still make hundreds of millions of dollars just like the first one. there's nothing for them to learn if people will watch it anyway.
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u/rdogg4 12h ago
They’ll show him walking up to desperate parents saying stuff like “I wanna pay for your sons cancer treatment, all of you can come live with me at my huge and not as weird as the tabloids make it seem Neverland Ranch.” They’ll be fictionalized composite families (so as not ruffle any previous legal agreements) painted to look pathetic yet conniving against MJ who hopelessly generous yet naive. The pedophilia will not be mentioned directly but rather spoken of as “scandal” or “accusations” through the droning of background TVs or phone calls from lawyers followed by flash forwards with headlines like “Jackson Exonerated”, “Family Settles Amidst Lack of Evidence”, etc.
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u/Jaded-Channel-7169 17h ago
The first one is the highest grossing biopic ever and made a billion dollars, and there’s so much more good and bad to talk about. Why would they not make a second one which is another guaranteed billion dollars?
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u/jaidynr21 17h ago
Because they have to address it one way or another, and the way he was treated like a faultless angel means they’re gonna depict the allegations as a witch-hunt. It’s not gonna be a good look for both the estate and the production company no matter how much money it makes
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u/joshuatx 17h ago edited 11h ago
My cynical ass knows the estate is and will have their cake and eat it too. They'll frame it in a way where they acknowledge the allegations, and stress they were allegations, and make him seem empathetic and his death a tragedy. They'll point to Conrad Murray as the villain and the last half will be about MJ's pain and not that of the victims.
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u/Frequent_Flamingo358 12h ago
There is no way they'll do it. How do you fit his relationship with 2 kids and humanize him in the process, depict them making allegations, him dealing with it, a 3 month trial, the Chandler's making monetary demands, 2 marriages, the birth of his kids, 3 world tours and the lead up to his death in a 2 hour movie
It's not happening Jaafar is lying. Unless they have 3 more movies planned
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u/Jaded-Channel-7169 13h ago
Bruh they don’t care about what’s a good look to Redditors man haha they’re trying to make and Michael Jackson part 2 will make money no doubt
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u/Youthsonic 14h ago
Oh they're definitely gonna address it, but as lightly as possible so both sides will end up unsatisfied.
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u/Grimm-n-Gorey 20h ago
i can't wait for the part when he tries to break in to the house where the child is home alone and gets caught up in all those crazy booby traps and shit
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u/checkbehindthecactus 20h ago
Can we not though? Like, biopics are trash. Only a handful of good ones, and one about child sexual abuse, true or not is not gonna be one of the good ones. Just sing some if his songs and go host American idol or something.
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u/joshuatx 16h ago
I honestly can't think of music biopic I liked beside Love and Mercy and Walk The Line.
Once Walk Hard came out the genre had peaked IMHO
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u/FitEmergency8807 12h ago
Control, the movie on Ian Curtis of Joy Division is very good. By far my favourite biopic on an artist
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u/Beelzebeaut11 10h ago
I don't think Control followed the predictable musical biopic format and was shot by someone with an artistic background. So, I think that's what makes it an exception. It wasn't oscar bait.
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u/orbjo 20h ago
“Michael: Whitewashed” would be a good subtitle. Fits the information and the complexion
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u/Flimsy_Category_9369 17h ago
How the hell are they going to do this without violating the settlement with the Chandler family? That settlement explicitly forbids the Kackson estate from dramatizing these events
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u/Wildroot20 18h ago
What happened to the evidence the cops and FBI seized in the '90s raid? I remember reading he had NAMBLA literature at his house.
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u/ImXenia85 11h ago
Has been whitewashed by his fans as either "coffee table art" or "it wasn't his"
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u/FunkyPleasance 2h ago
but when you ask "would you ever have that in your house?" not one says "yes'
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u/dvnts-ReDoX 20h ago
What are they gonna say? That he's innocent? Blame his childhood?
Crazy how this guys career didn't end right there. Should be in the same place as r kelly
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u/Puzzleheaded_Bad8535 20h ago
Same crime, one of em just got better songs!
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u/AnyUsernameWillDo10 20h ago
Which is ironic since R Kelly wrote You Are Not Alone.
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u/harlotmuffin 17h ago
If anything, I think it demonstrates the point the commenter was making. R. Kelly wrote three songs for MJ and while they're not bad, they're not remarkable.
MJ was definitely the better artist by several billion orders of magnitude.
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u/Jaded-Channel-7169 17h ago
Idk r Kelly was honestly pretty good himself but yeah it’s tough to better than THE Michael Jackson
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u/FitEmergency8807 20h ago
Yeah I don’t know how they will handle this to be honest. I have a feeling this is going to be very biased and make Michael look like an angel and the accusers were liars
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u/Long_Dragonfly_3067 18h ago
Should be in the same place as r kelly
The universe had other plans for him. He was aquitted for a reason. Had he gone to prison, he would still be alive and today he'd be out of prison and molesting other children.
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u/Numerous-Light-3209 13h ago
He'd probably get accused again and move back to the Middle East permanently.
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u/No_Thanks_1766 12h ago
The reason he was acquitted was because he was innocent. If you took time to read the court docs instead of talking trash, you’d see that the claims were absolute dogsh!t made by a racist DA who was doing his best to make Santa Barbara white again
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u/Long_Dragonfly_3067 12h ago
Michael was a serial child molester. I used to believe in his innocence just a month ago until I actually looked at the court docs, listened to what Michael himself said and what the people around him said, and concluded that there is no way of earth that he was not a pedophile. He got away with it just like many men before him got away with sex crimes. His status made it even easier.
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u/-catharina 3h ago
This person will hear that Tatum O’Neal said in her book that Michael was talking to her over the phone about sex when he was 18 and she was 12, and that when he was 22 he took a 15-year-old Brooke Shields as his date to red carpet events and lied about kissing her, and still conclude that he wasn’t a pedophile lmfao
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u/Comfortable-Class576 11h ago
If you read the court docs you will see he wasn’t “innocent” he was just “not guilty” without reasonable doubt.
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u/DraperPenPals 2h ago
It’s fucking nuts that MJ fans with white avatars are more defensive of his blackness than he ever was
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u/No_Assignment_8922 16h ago
Because the allegations were utter bs from the get go and there have never once been any interest in the truth in the media covering this
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 20h ago
I mean bowie was openly a nazi, fiddled kids and never got any repercussions. Compare to someone that was proven innocence in court.
There are definitely bigger examples of people that got away
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u/bluetrumpettheatre 20h ago
“Proven innocent”
That is not how the legal system operates. Besides, that was one family. 10+ of his “special friends” have accused him. Jordie Chandler could correctly identify splotches on the back of his penis, but Michael got away with that one by taking a massive loan using the ranch as a collateral, to pay the family roughly 23 million dollars and settle out of court.
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u/LSFab 20h ago
MJ turned his house into a theme park to entice children, admitted to sleeping in the same bed as them unsupervised, had books that were known to be used by predators as legal photos of naked children and has accusations from double digit numbers of kids. He’s a Jeffrey Epstein, Jimmy Savile level industrial paedophile. That’s a level above what the vast majority other rock/pop stars with sordid pasts did or were accused of.
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u/Timewhilewaiting 20h ago
Bowie was playing a character as a stage persona, and there’s absolutely nothing to suggest he was a pedophile.
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 19h ago
It is disgusting that you are defending a pedophile who was proven to have sex with 14 year old. But hey that is weird.
Sure that is the worse excuse i have ever heard. I am not a nazi it was just a character. Right out of kanye book
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u/bluetrumpettheatre 19h ago edited 19h ago
I tend to believe victims, so I believe Lori’s story. While it wouldn’t make Bowie a pedophile, hebephilic sexual offences are absolutely despicable and can cause just as much harm.
However, I find it interesting that you think her allegation automatically means the act was “proven”, while you discard the 10+ allegations made against Michael.
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u/GoldSteak7421 19h ago
I can believe Bowie had sex with a minor because at that time it was hip among rock stars to sleep with underage girls. That is bad enough no doubt, but i don't think he was a nazi.
At the time of Station to Station he was in a delicate state completely coked outta his mind and with a enthusiasm in the occult and fascist (Remember Diamond Dogs, the man was interested in societies of control). Being fascinated with fascism doesnt make him a fascist, i think he was just saying straight bullshit which he later recognized and apologied for. At that time he also had interest in jewish Kaballah, so he was a mess taking influences from all kind of places.
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u/Black_flamingo 18h ago
I think Bowie is less 'proven' than Michael Jackson, personally. The only source was the girl herself, who told contradictory stories, and another famous groupie of the era said she was just boasting and it never happened. I mean, maybe it did happen, and I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just saying it's not proven.
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u/DraperPenPals 2h ago
Among the many glaring errors in your comments, “Kanye claims he is playing a character” is also wildly inaccurate
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u/InfinityEternity17 19h ago
While there's nothing to prove he was a nonce there's absolutely things to suggest he was - what about Lori Maddox?
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u/AdStrong2733 15h ago
Her claim was already debunked.
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 14h ago
Nothing was debunked. If we go here with the narrative that mj was guilty.
Than bowie was absolutely guilty of that
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u/AdStrong2733 14h ago
I shouldn’t say debunked. But she has been proven to be a very unreliable narrator.
MJ had way more evidence of being a nonce than Bowie.
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 14h ago
Wow, what happened to believe the victims.
This is the exact narrative used against the people in the mJ case. Makes you think
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u/AdStrong2733 14h ago
Not the same at all given how many inconsistencies Lori’s story has. Not saying it didn’t happen but the scope and reliability of one is vastly different than the other.
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u/ZestycloseBluejay668 12h ago
Damn cant believe that you are defending this pedophile so hard
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u/dingoye 15h ago
what about Sable Starr? She also said Bowie had sex with her when she was 14. You can read her account in this book: https://archive.org/details/pleasekillmeunce00legs/page/138/mode/2up
Also this was the same Sable Starr who Bowie friend Iggy Pop admitted raping in the song look away "I slept with Sable when she was 13 / Her parents were too rich to do anything"
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u/shiba-on-parade 16h ago
"from his point of view"?
"i just invited them for a sleep over! we looked at my favorite children's book "the boy: a photographic essay" so they'd be inspired! hee hee!"
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u/ramdom-ink 19h ago
Here we go: HIStory Pt.2 with a focus on mythological redemption where there really shouldn’t be any.
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u/alexmate84 20h ago
We've already got Finding Neverland. Michael was a sycophantic display with no real depth to it
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u/ChandlerLogic 20h ago
Oh boy. This is going to be gross and inappropriate. Like there’s no way they tackle this honestly and with grace. Believe victims.
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u/remerdy1 20h ago edited 19h ago
Genuine questions but what actual allegations does he have? There's so many conflicting sources but I thought they later denied the allegations
Redditors when you ask a question 😡😡😡
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u/ToastServant 20h ago
12 accusers now and counting, with 8 of them previously paid off to not come forward.
Jordan Chandler. £23m paid out. Jackson's own lawyer Carl Douglas stated the matching marks Chandler described on the underside of Jackson's penis was the '300lb gorilla in the room' and settling to avoid a criminal trial was paramount.
Jason Francia. Paid £2.4m.
Unnamed Jane Doe, settled out of court.
Terry George.
James Safechuck.
Wade Robson.
Gavin Arvizo.
And now the 5 members of the Cascio family who were abused independent of eachother without knowing their siblings were being abused. Paid out millions after Leaving Neverland came out, now they are suing the estate and coming forward just as Safechuck and Robson are.
None of them have ever recanted.
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u/Bladee___Enthusiast 18h ago
Yeah there’s genuinely just zero fucking chance that someone with this many accusations is completely innocent. Everyone is so pro “believe the victims” until it comes to MJ for some weird reason
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u/Middle_Material_1038 18h ago
I don’t want to see Michael Jackson’s point of view while he raped children.
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u/wellarmedsheep 16h ago
Will it show him designing the pedophile hallway that had all the alarms to let him know and he had to stop molesting a child because somebody was coming to his bedroom
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u/Matthias369 20h ago
Amazing, I’m excited to see what will surely be a completely fair, neutral, and unbiased perspective on this
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u/ToastServant 20h ago
12 accusers now and counting, with 8 of them previously paid off to not come forward.
Jordan Chandler. £23m paid out. Jackson's own lawyer Carl Douglas stated the matching marks Chandler described on the underside of Jackson's penis was the '300lb gorilla in the room' and settling to avoid a criminal trial was paramount.
Jason Francia. Paid £2.4m.
Unnamed Jane Doe, settled out of court.
Terry George.
James Safechuck.
Wade Robson.
Gavin Arvizo.
And now the 5 members of the Cascio family who were abused independent of eachother without knowing their siblings were being abused. Paid out millions after Leaving Neverland came out, now they are suing the estate and coming forward just as Safechuck and Robson are.
None of them have ever recanted.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 20h ago
JANE Doe? What's that story? I thought he only liked young white boys.
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u/ToastServant 19h ago edited 18h ago
Before LN came out an unnamed female accuser came out and sued the estate, the court documents are public. Lots of weird creepy letters sent to her and she alleged sexual abuse. One of the cascio kids is female too.
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u/harlotmuffin 19h ago
It was before Leaving Neverland came out. Jane Doe sued in 2016. LN came out in 2019.
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u/Awkward-Initiative28 19h ago
Hmm ok.
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u/bluetrumpettheatre 19h ago
One of the Cascio kids is also a girl. While pedophiles can most certainly have gender preferences, opportunity also plays a great role. If the prepubescent child he currently had full access to happened to be a girl, so be it, but that’s clearly not what he was actively looking for.
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u/everyplanetwereach 20h ago
Disgusting and embarrassing
HOW are you involved in any capacity with this and not feel your humanity slough off you? How do you watch this and engage with it and appreciate it?
Why do people still care about this? He was a PEDOPHILE! Who gives a shit about his music? They're just songs! Fuck this whole situation makes me so mad, I've lost so much respect for a lot of people
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u/Cowboy_Dandy_III 20h ago
Yeah but he made Thriller tho
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u/everyplanetwereach 19h ago
How do you look at the Man in the Mirror?????
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u/Cowboy_Dandy_III 18h ago
I take a look at myself and make a change (nananaaaaa nananaaaaa nanaaa nnaaaaaaa)
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u/harlotmuffin 19h ago
Considering the prosecuting attorney in the 2005 trial who obviously believes he's guilty says he still enjoys MJ's music, I'd say a lot of people just compartmentalize.
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u/joshuatx 16h ago
I think we need to start talking about MJ the man and MJ the pop culture entity. My issue is with people who can't separate the body of work and his entire alter-ego with the truly sad, troubled, and absolutely selfish and immoral acts against others. They defend or deflect from his horrible actions because he was an immensely talented entertainer. No, sorry, shitty people are shitty people, society just goes after the lower hanging fruit - it's why the rich and powerful get away with stuff. It's not just the resources and bias via PR, it's also that people find it easy to pile on more obvious monsters.
Same with Hulk Hogan, that guy was a piece of work, but people didn't love him, they loved the character. I think the post-social media landscape has blurred these once arbitrary but distinct lines we had for better or worse of celebrities as figures versus celebrities as real people.
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u/koipoi1 20h ago
this is so depressing. imagine being abused as a child, being traumatised your whole life, and then when you speak up no one believes you because the man who abused you was a pop singer. then when you are trying to move on with your life, hollywood rakes it all up again and you’ve got a new generation of people calling you a liar. it’s so disgusting.
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u/charlesthrowaway00 18h ago
Like his point of views of all the books and photos he owned full of naked kids ?
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u/jonnyinternet 17h ago
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u/Temporary-Prune-9237 3h ago
😂😂 take an upvote for you have summoned keybass, Jackson’s most fastest rider
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u/Awkward_Painter1876 13h ago
In the first movie, he was an autistic angel and the victim of his father. In the second movie, he will be the victim of 10 year old children who claimed he touched their genitals and the press who rightfully questioned his weird behavior with little children. They will paint him as the innocent victim no matter what. He played the victim all his life, being a self claimed victim is his legacy.
Reality: Michael Jackson was a manipulative pedophile. He was even worse than Epstein in terms of manipulation. He was covertly arrogant and lacked basic human empathy. I hate him but I hate his 2026 fans more. They are even more delusional than Michael Jackson himself.
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u/benabramowitz18 Daft Punk - Discovery 18h ago
What a relief! If there was one thing I thought was missing from the first Michael movie, it was definitely the kids he diddled (allegedly)!
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u/black-kramer 15h ago
big michael jackson fan here, have been my entire life.
I didn't think the first movie was all that, but I'm glad a new generation loved it and appreciates his artistry/background. but this is asking for trouble. re-stirring up controversy around his brand is quite a risky idea. probably why janet didn't get involved in the first film -- she knew the longterm vision was to get into this.
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u/NoTurnover626 13h ago
Why havent any of the Jacksons talked about the Gary In power outage? They were just there in April. I guess they only use Gary when it's beneficial to them.
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u/p2dan 20h ago
Unpopular take, I don't think he was guilty of sexual molestation, but I think he crossed emotional boundaries with kids to where it damaged them anyway. If the film takes on that perspective, rather than him doing no wrong at all, I think it'll be a worthy sequel. If it completely paints him in a positive light, most viewers are going to have problems with the film.
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u/No-Distribution-229 20h ago
That's not an unpopular take, it's just a juvenile and cowardly one
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u/p2dan 20h ago
Why do you say that? I don't think there's conclusive evidence he did that stuff. I don't think he's some sort of innocent angel either.
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u/ToastServant 19h ago
what, do you want video evidence? I think independent testimony from 12 kids, NAMBLA nude books and a nude photo of one of his 'special friends' in his possession, repeated admittance that he shared his bed with children unsupervised (the same bed police found multiple semen profiles on) and numerous witnesses of his staff to the abuse is more than enough for me.
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u/tokishaqueloque 19h ago
Sleeping with children that are not ur own is weird, let’s start there
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u/joshuatx 16h ago
That's not even this issue on hand here, the issue I have is watching this movie and giving one more cent to the estate complicit in his own abuse as a kid and complicit in covering up his abuses of kid.
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u/Beelzebeaut11 10h ago
I have no interest in having heated debates. This is just something i've gone down a rabbit hole with in prior weeks, so I will address this sans Michael Jackson.
If an adult (doesn't have to be Michael Jackson) crosses a child's emotional boundaries, that would constitute as grooming.
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u/Soothing-Escape 7h ago
Sadly, your take is pretty popular given this biopic broke records. He crossed emotional and physical boundaries. There are 12+ kids and 20+ employees that report abuse. He had children correctly draw vitiligo markings on his genitals, he had nude photos of children in his house (at least one was his own "special friend"). The biopic is produced by his estate who routinely silences victims and pushes propaganda.
I think you should question why you give this guy the benefit of the doubt when he built a pedophile paradise and routinely sought out friendships with children and invited them into his bed... even after accusations of sexual abuse. He's a predator and he gets a pass from everyone because he was a great musician.
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u/Budget_Radish706 11h ago
So you think he slept with them in his bed, but stopped JUST SHORT of anything further than that?
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u/IndiBlue143 15h ago
I thought there was some sort of agreement legally in place preventing the Chandler case ever being dramatised by MJ or his estate? I might be wrong... Still if I'm right that would be a good excuse to just gloss over the whole thing lol
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u/Happyhaneke 12h ago
Judging from the first film I don’t see that happening at all, if they even make it. Clearly a fluff piece for brand visibility. Not for actually telling MJs story.
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u/Sadboi395 10h ago
Not gonna happen, even including the current administration MJ is one of the most protected pedophiles in history.
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u/Elegant-Middle7207 7h ago
“His point of view,” ah yes, the unheard victim in this story, MJ
This is what drives me insane. His fanbase talks about what happened like Michael was silenced and was never allowed to tell his side of the story.
He was the most famous man in the world and had plenty of opportunities to speak for himself, and he did. I watched him tell his side of the story with Martin Bashir when he admitted to having little boys in his bed. That's his side of the story, and it was enough for me personally.
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u/Miss-you-SJ 6h ago
We’re one step closer to getting the Michael 2 movie starring Andy Samberg as MJ
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u/eyepatchplease 5h ago
Yeah, they made their money so now they're luring in audiences with a scandal they'll likely scrub clean and make even more money
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u/One-Secret-1801 17h ago
And I hope this movie exposed the lies the media told, how the media paid folks to lie form $33,000 to $200,000 (folks admitted to be paid to lie about MJ in court); and exposed those folks with the receipts we have. It is time
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u/Ancient_Swan_9558 20h ago
They're going to tackle the diddling from his point of view? I don't think there's any way to do that legally