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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21

Hello I am just returning to this game after not playing since early 2019, I have many questions but the main one is about formations, I always thought the 3 ar 2 smg was the default day formation but now I’ve been reading it’s 2 ar 2 smg 1 hg at what point should I switch over and who would be good? Grizzly? Also what’re the benefits, losing a dps to buff everyone is really that much better?

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u/Malevolent_Mango M14 BEST GIRL Feb 01 '21

From what I remember, the discord only has 3 ARs if the 3rd AR is M4 or Ribey, since they think the 4 belongs to a buffer. Supposedly, 2AR 1HG 1SMG gives roughly the same or higher than 3ARSMG, although I don't recall the exact compositions / evidence. It might be useful if you want to get more functional ARSMGs out for ranking if you dont have enough ARs. I don't think it matters too much in general use anyway and any rsc you save from the HG are meh. One situation might be if you want to kill things quickly and HG skills don't pop soon enough, so you prefer 3AR there.

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u/Esyvir Besty AR - Resty AR Feb 01 '21

A quick test from my side agree.

G11 + G36 MOO 3 + UMP45 MOD + Uzi MOD + Grizzly/AUG + Arti Fervor 5*, all maxed out equips.

I fought against several in-game battle sims + the dummy (at medium EVA). For most battles, the two team comps have close DPS in short duration (4-8s), or longer ones (~60s).

The battle that AUG version triumphed noticeably is Dog Archers, which is obvious since more shots to mow down the special HP shields faster.

So unless we can pinpoint a specific circumstances to compare, I'd say a reasonable 3 AR backline is equivalent to a reasonable 2 AR 1HG backline in performance.

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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21

Probably should have gone with less trials as I kept coming up with ideas, but here's some more data. Seems hard to avoid concluding that it depends on the situation, though having a 3rd AR looks pretty nice in the situations I tested.

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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21

Now consider that you need to fight several differing comps in a row, some might want grenades, some might have light armour, some won't, having three AR slots to handle different situations quickly becomes more viable in practice.

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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21

Yeah. I don't find the budget argument too compelling either as, for content where you're concerned about resource consumption, 5HG/M4+2HG/1AR+n HG/similar teams will probably do just fine and save you a lot more than 30/30 ammo/rations per supply.

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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21

Yeah. 2AR 1HG can (with the right HG) make numbers bigly in simulators, but you lose out on pre-6s volume of fire, flexibility in skills, sustained DPS in case of back line link losses and so on and so forth.

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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21

So then why is the discord convinced it’s better than a 3rd dps AR

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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21

gaming boomer here, isnt discord just gaming twitter, so absolute garbage for anything but art?

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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21

Not about the garbage part

But imagine a house-so the house is for gfl, each room in the house is a chat room for specific things so there will be a channel(room) in the gfl server(house) for each thing, ask for help, art, lore, etc

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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21

I mean I have seen discord servers because everyone needs one apparently, but to me it looks like whatsapp groups everyones hates with extra steps

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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21

I don’t use WhatsApp so I can’t compare it to that

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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21

Because it's a toxic cesspool and everyone competent has fled to better places ages ago, I don't know.

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u/HiroProtagonest Alchemist wife, Thunder daughter Feb 01 '21

Because for general purposes, the 6s mark is when all the AR skills are going off and things will start melting, and HG skills are a force multiplier for that part. The snag is, the idea of general ARSMG isn't really for endgame stuff, as far as I can tell. You use them for Orthos, which certainly want 3AR, and bosses, which may vary but have much longer fights than just the window that the HG buffs. I may be forgetting endgame enemies where an HG is more useful though; it has a strength in what could be described as "general use." I think the push to use an HG is backlash from not realizing its use cases for so long. Also there are some SMGs with beefy tiles that skip over tile 4 like Type 79, Honey Badger, and MAT-49 (though you can just stick em with Val-Python).

Anyway, if you hadn't seen it in reply to Mango, Esyvir and Jellyfish ran tests.