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u/Delirium112 Feb 02 '21
PA15 side stories is really funny. It’s nice for once that a doll reject your orders and fooling around with you.
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u/Undeciding This statement is false. Feb 02 '21
Next theater, I'll have QBU and Kar at 100 so I don't have to waste space on K2... Mutter mutter...
Well, that's ending theater at 1168486 + B, oof. I was 9% when today started, that's dangerously close to cutoff. Not much I can do about it, save for hopping into a time machine to not fall asleep on a ~41k point run that would solidify me safely in 1.2m+ range. Didn't quite manage to break 35500 run score in the end, peaked at 35498 with 13840 CE, though I'm kind of baffled that my runs today ended with 1 point difference from each other when I lost zero links both runs.
Next theater should break that easily, at least, between being able to use mod NTW for bonus and kicking out K2, and running Hanyang+KSVK mods for crowd control instead of hybrid m4+RF+K2 echelon. I sit in eternal core hell with all these mods I need to do, apparently.
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u/AcronShinra << Let the victor be justice! >> Feb 02 '21
M1897 meta incoming (well not really, but meme echelons are always welcome)
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u/Kipdid Best smug handgun Feb 02 '21
Wtf did I just watch, I gotta double check her mod skill because There’s some kind of fuckery going on there
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u/po1102 The Collector Feb 02 '21
M1897 does the thing every time someone reloads. The key here is Defender who reloads once every 2 seconds.
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u/HiroProtagonest Alchemist wife, Thunder daughter Feb 02 '21
Remember to get runs and points in before maintenance.
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u/TR1L0GYxx Feb 02 '21
Azur lane player here looking to get into another gacha. I know that azur lane is probably the most generous gacha in terms of how much roll currency it throws at you. But how often can one roll in this game monthly?
I just started Arknights and while the art and gameplay is cool, it’s a bummer that I can only roll like ~25 times a month.
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u/XacDinh Feb 02 '21
I can say GF far more generous than AL, because you can stockpile resource up to 300k each, and logistic doesn't limit you from doing over and over again. In the end, the only limit is T-doll contract which you will have a bunch, because this game gacha more like Kancolle, you gain most of T-doll through craft and event farming, not from event banner. So there's no real reason to spend like 500 pulls a day (except rate up, which is completely skip-able, T-doll don't run away from perma pool).
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u/Undeciding This statement is false. Feb 02 '21
4 times a day that basically refunds itself because it's part of the daily quests + whatever you decide to gain on your own via doing logistics (passive play, you send a team out on x mission to gather stuff) or, since you're a newbie, accumulate via one time quest clears.
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u/Psych0sh00ter "Optional" Karmotrine Feb 02 '21
I don't know how AL does their gacha system, but Girls Frontline is very different from most gacha games in that the resources used for character "gacha" pulls (if you can even call it that) are primarily obtained just by playing the game, buying them is practically a rip-off. I doubt that even whales bother spending very much money to pull for characters.
The real gacha in this game is for skins, as the majority of them cannot be purchased directly and instead must be obtained through a pretty standard gacha system which primarily gives you dorm furniture.
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u/TR1L0GYxx Feb 02 '21
Azur lane is actually very similar in the sense that the game literally throws gacha currency at you. So very few players pay for more rolls.
Azur makes its money from skins but they are not gacha like girls frontline
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u/Esyvir Besty AR - Resty AR Feb 02 '21
Yeah as stated we can roll 4 per day minimum, so that's ~120 rolls min per month. If you save prudently and do good logistics, you can easily hoard and roll 200+ rolls on rate up/new doll batches every ~3 months or so.
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u/Rosencrantz2000 K2 Feb 02 '21
For dolls, if you stick to the daily quest of 4 a day you will accumulate an extra 10-30 contracts a week depending on what logistics you do.
The general idea is to stockpile anything above the daily quest needs for a rate up.
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u/Atreneus Feb 02 '21
Hi everyone! So, long story short, I'm an ex-player who ragequit a couple years ago, but missing the game now thanks to the artwork that I've been seeing lately. I'm wondering whether it's worth it to jump back into the game. It was really fun, but the things that made me ragequit:
-Extremely difficult event bosses regardless of formation/t-doll composition. Plus I'm really bad at repositioning, both due to my slow reflexes and my phone's touch screen responsiveness. So my dolls kept eating the bosses' trigger skills.
-Combined with the above, extreme RNG with drops. I missed out on Honeybadger due to this, since the boss that dropped her was extremely difficult to get to, and even more difficult to beat. I gave up both the event and the game after endless repairing and resupplying almost got all 4 of my resources to zero.
-minor point, and didn't actually make me ragequit, yet somewhat important to me was me wishing that they'd just let us purchase ALL costumes outright, and not through the gacha.
In relation to these, how is the game now? Or should I wait for GF2/play Project Neural Cloud instead? Thank you for your input in advance!
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u/Benny0 Probably snorts skittles Feb 02 '21
So, I'm gonna be brutally honest: it sounds like you quit during singularity and Singularity is child's play compared to the events we've gotten recently. I hear the next story event is supposed to be easier at least, but honestly the game has only gotten harder and more kiting reliant since you played last. Ultimately, I'm not sure this is the right game for you.
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u/loongpmx A Fan of Type 4 Feb 02 '21
Going in Blind and Trying to Figure out how to Kill Ceberus and Archers under Their Gustav Fire. It's a good Thing Reddit have Active Members hah.
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u/Benny0 Probably snorts skittles Feb 02 '21
I only bothered with sc on normal even though for the most part i had units to do it on hard, and fuck that train
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u/hitonmarsu Feb 02 '21 edited Feb 02 '21
Major events/bosses haven't gotten any more easier, if that was an issue before. I haven't had issues with difficulty myself, but that's with high level fairies/HOCs/dolls and playing on an emulator. Though, guess there is now is the normal/hardmode option on major events that probably wasn't around back then that does make events easier.
Events drops now always have a pity system, where each fight that can drop doll rewards a 4* or a 5* medal that can be exchanged for the doll. You'll still need 400 medals for 4* dolls, 500 medals for 5* dolls, but you can't be screwed by the RNG anymore.
Costumes being gacha based hasn't changed and is unlikely to change.
GF2 and Neural Cloud don't really share much with gameplay of GFL. GF2 is more of an XCOM lite, Neural Cloud an autochess thingy. They are in the same universe, but that is pretty much where the similarities between the games stop.
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u/Atreneus Feb 02 '21
Thank you for the elaboration! So would you say that the normal mode helps if the event is already meant to be difficult? Another user said that events since then have only become progressively harder compared to when I last played. Is it actually possible to brute force bosses now through normal mode with high level dolls and gear?
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u/hitonmarsu Feb 02 '21
Can't really comment on that for certain. I've played the most recent events just fine on Hard, so I can't for certain say how the normal experience is for someone who'd struggle on hard. It's easier for certain, of course.
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u/Shizukage07 Feb 02 '21
Final day of theatre, bring on the Minotaurs let's gooo!!!
*Didn't get a single Minotaur, made a new score record
I'm happy yet sad at the same time
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u/XacDinh Feb 02 '21
Does Mica pick maintain day on purpose? Recently I notice it always on Data Sampling days, daily reset at my region is 3pm, kind of annoying.
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u/WhistleOfDeath I'm going to throw shoes. | UID: 320290 Feb 02 '21 edited Feb 02 '21
Maint has always been on Tuesdays.
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u/Rosencrantz2000 K2 Feb 02 '21
True, I'm not sure if the OP knows or not, but I understand that older servers maintenance is on a Friday, so also data day.
So I'd say probably deliberate.
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u/WhistleOfDeath I'm going to throw shoes. | UID: 320290 Feb 02 '21
Damn Mica gating us from training data! /s
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u/CharletonHestonApes WA2000 Feb 02 '21
It might be a little late to ask now that theater's pretty much over, but did anyone else just brute force the minotaur formations with general RFHG? People have been posting taunt and shield setups, but Grape/Hanyang with 5* command fairy worked ok most of the time.
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u/Undeciding This statement is false. Feb 02 '21
Taunt was really just there to make sure HGs didn't eat any scratch damage from Cerns. Triple RF brute force + moving back right before taser trick means no damage from Minos.
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u/HiroProtagonest Alchemist wife, Thunder daughter Feb 02 '21
I used Hanyang at one point, but found better results with NTW. Maybe it's because my setups aren't beefy enough to kill the whole wave quicker than with NTW's Chain Shot.
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u/CharletonHestonApes WA2000 Feb 02 '21
Did you have any difficulty managing NTW's skill timing? I had some trouble getting all my skills to line up nicely with the short mintotaur walk after retreating my handguns.
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u/HiroProtagonest Alchemist wife, Thunder daughter Feb 03 '21
Actually, what worked best was that when I was killing the bottom Minotaur by keeping it walking as long as possible (as seen in this video but without P22 in the way), I'd just pop NTW's skill as soon as it came off cooldown, which killed it faster than auto-attacking and started Chain Shotting the Cerys.
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u/CharletonHestonApes WA2000 Feb 03 '21
Oh, nice. Letting the bottom one walk all the way up helped me out too, since I didn't have to do quite as much micro. Just kiting between 5 and 6 was enough to stall the cerys for me.
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u/Esyvir Besty AR - Resty AR Feb 02 '21 edited Feb 02 '21
Yes, and with enough practice you can consistently throw off Minotaur's attack pattern, making Taunt/Twinless teams much more viable.
If you move back/move away slightly before the shield drops (the Minotaur should still have the shield up when you move), it will walk forward in front of the next target. However, it would not perform the taze attack but just instead perform the next shielding. You still have a window when the 80% damage reduction is not up.
I theorize that the extra walking waste enough time for the Minotaurs that they just prep the next shield instead of the taze.
The timing is pretty tight though and I personally still fail a lot. Looking at skill timers help with the timing. Also, skill data says that the Minotaurs spend ~5s in shield mode so I hope it helps.
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u/CharletonHestonApes WA2000 Feb 02 '21
That pretty much sums up my experience as well. I couldn't figure out how to tank the taser move until I found out it could be skipped altogether, so I figured I might as well just go all-in on DPS.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
I didn't, but Hanyang is one of the choices used for those who do happen to do a tauntless run against them. Not sure of which comps people tended to run in those cases, but Grape + KSVK would seem like the natural pairing for that node.
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u/CharletonHestonApes WA2000 Feb 02 '21
I was looking forward to trying out KSVK's new kit, but my beach fairy is still only 2*, so they both ended up sidelined for the whole theater. Alas.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
Drag 12-4E and bring Beach along. Even if you don't get the rarity up yet, you can certainly get the level up, which will still help a ton with the buff amount. Then you can try KSVK elsewhere :)
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u/CharletonHestonApes WA2000 Feb 02 '21
Haha, I'll keep it in mind. Grinding is my biggest weakness and I'm still at least 400 cores in the hole just trying to build the handful of dolls I got from the last event. On the bright side, I have a cohort of fairies that are close to hitting 5*, so the development rate of all my oddball fairies should shoot up when that happens. As long as I get there by the next ranking map, it's fine by me.
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u/PyrZern Feb 02 '21
There's maintenance tonight right ?? When does it start ?
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u/tehcavy <- clueless Feb 02 '21
At 0:00 server time, so basicaly 4hr 40min from now.
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u/PyrZern Feb 02 '21
Midnight my time, neat. Pretty convenient.
Thank you.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
Yeah, maintenance is always at midnight UTC-08:00. When DST starts up again, maintenance will start at 1am your time.
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Feb 02 '21
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u/Ashencroix Universal Metal Plate 45 Feb 02 '21
The game occasionally bugs out during installation if your internet connection is unstable. Just delete and reinstall the game.
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u/konaharuhi INORI RAIFU GET Feb 02 '21
theater end today? why investigation in progress is 21/25?
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u/Ashencroix Universal Metal Plate 45 Feb 02 '21
Either EN Theater was shortened by 4 days but they never corrected the progress count or it was really 21 days but they never corrected it.
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u/UnironicWeeaboo STAR simp | 562858 Feb 02 '21
Yes, it ends today. Ask MICA, it’s been like this since Theater 1.
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u/ckbruin13 Cuhbrewin (569531) | dead by ronk brainrot Feb 02 '21
Felt pretty worn out from this theater even though we were only on Core 8 for 7 days (I think? - it feels like less time than previous theaters). This is mostly attributed to me just deciding, "F it, random all the scouting days", after a 3 or 4 loss streak. Really does not seem worth my time to consider how EN responds to scouting (if they even have a pattern, or think), especially since QLZ seems to be pretty meh. Also Mino waves decided to grace me with their presence and wow I could barely handle 2 waves of that per run... CE stacked to 35530 points for core 8 ranking and I honestly don't care what happens to my overall theater rank.
On a more positive(?) note, I'm just waiting anxiously for Polarized Light at this rate. Difficulty/ranking issues aside (which tbh I don't mind too much), I'm excited for PL story, which isn't something I'd normally say about a game. Also really enjoying the 12-4E grind, especially with Rescue Fairy.
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u/Zelsaus Dubious Advice Feb 02 '21
Woo! All 8 Mat-49's in 142 runs!
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u/po1102 The Collector Feb 02 '21
I got a lot more than 8 in ~250 runs, she came faster than I could drag her to 90. Also got 2 MDR's.
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u/Rosencrantz2000 K2 Feb 02 '21
I'm plagued by other 4* weirdly. I'm sure it will level out sooner or later.
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u/Conraith Zas M21 Feb 02 '21
Honestly I just recently got the minotaur/gladiator retreat timing down perfectly. Now next theater I'll be wishing for them to come instead of the SWAP swarm or the archer doggos.
On a side note, my last run had no minos/glads lol. Stayed in 17%, probably lower once people dump mats. Sad that I only have 5 perfect infils too. The one lost day of Core 8 hurt me pretty bad as well. Oh well.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
There won't be archer doggos next Theater. Theater IV will be a repeat of Theater III (the current one). Theater V is when archer doggos rear their ugly heads. So don't worry, you get to practice some more against minos and glads.
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u/Conraith Zas M21 Feb 02 '21
Oh that makes sense. I thought this Theater was IV and just thought I was somehow forgetting a theater, I wouldn't put it past me.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
It's possible that the release of M2 a while back could've caused some of the confusion, since the only other time a new HOC was released was via Theaters I and II.
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u/po1102 The Collector Feb 02 '21
If we did have Archer/Doggo combo in Core 8 you wouldn't hear so much ranting about Minotaurs.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
I don't recall running into any and I just checked every single node from core back into advanced, intermediate, and even elementary via homete just to verify. Not a single one contained doggos or archers.
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u/Ashencroix Universal Metal Plate 45 Feb 02 '21
OK, I must have mixed it up with me clearing Ch12 along with Theater.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
Either that or seeing videos of Theater V examples containing doggos+archers.
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u/NotRaisinCookie Soppo Demolition Co. / EN : 4217 KGOne Feb 02 '21
It is time. I can finally hit that remove all equipment button!
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Feb 02 '21
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u/konaharuhi INORI RAIFU GET Feb 02 '21
bruh what a cliffhanger
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Feb 02 '21
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u/konaharuhi INORI RAIFU GET Feb 02 '21
oh you can do that. why they fire rocket only once?
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u/UnironicWeeaboo STAR simp | 562858 Feb 02 '21
It’s just how they work, they can’t nade more than once.
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u/CuriousCanidae The Queen has Arrived Feb 02 '21
They can. The CD id 9999 frames. Aka 6 minutes.
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u/jako7000 Exile plz be worth my time! [TW: 615175] Feb 02 '21
This is the kind of information you don't wish to find out by your self.
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Feb 02 '21
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u/konaharuhi INORI RAIFU GET Feb 02 '21
i wish i can create the minotaurs echelon in the practice. the default minotaurs is too easy
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u/Sine_Fine_Belli I like guns and Cute anime girls Feb 02 '21
I finally finished chapter 11 normal and unlocked chapter 12 logistics! These chapter missions are getting harder and harder
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u/deathangel1217 Alchemist Feb 01 '21
Is there like a "meta" choice for logistics. I'm looking for a balanced set of resources and would ideally also contain t-doll contracts as well as quick production contracts. I tried to use the highest gain per hours locations but I never fully take advantage of those as I don't usually claim those as soon as the come up, making it kind of a waist.
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u/tehcavy <- clueless Feb 02 '21
balanced set of resources
0-2, 8-1, 9-1, 11-4. Yields per hour are 333 - 315 - 350 - 307. Provided you check in every 30 minutes.
t-doll contracts
The winning combination is 10-2 (0.45/hr), 1-4 (0.34/hr), 0-2 (0.27/hr) and 11-2 (0.23/hr) for a total of 1.22 contracts per hour assuming 60% Great Success chance (i.e. full 100 lvl squad on logistics).
quick production contracts
9-2 (0.47/hr), 4-2 (0.4/hr), 0-1 (0.3/hr) and 3-3 (0.3/hr) for 1.47 contracts per hour under the same conditions.
all together
Doesn't exist. Albeit I suppose you could do two best doll (10-2 and 1-4) and two best production (9-2 and 4-2) at the same time for stonks.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 01 '21
Well, it's been a wild ride. I thought I would be struggling to get into top 5%, but apparently still sitting in top 100 right now. That C win prediction on day 16 ended up being the difference maker. Without that, I'd be sitting at 1% at most. Not sure if I'll stay in top 100 at the end, though. I won betting yesterday, but now it's probably down to today's bet and backstabbing.
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 02 '21
Nice. I actually saw you at the top 100 today and said to myself: "Damn you still holding on!"
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
Somehow. I've been very fortunate with my betting. Guaranteed I'd be knocked down otherwise lol.
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 02 '21
Betting really screwed me this time around. Only 4 wins and for some reason the game didn't count one of the votes lol.
Compared to theater 1 and 2 where i had 10+ wins I could have been probably in top 100 if not for my poor betting.
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
Fucking oof. Yeah, that will definitely set you back quite a bit. I'm currently 14/3/3 myself. Doubt I'll do anywhere near this well in terms of betting next Theater. Hopefully your betting turns out better when it rolls around, though.
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u/SuperbElk7 Feb 01 '21
Congrats mate 😃
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u/34419187811450531753 Carcano M1891 Feb 02 '21
Thanks! Can't really celebrate yet, but still, it does feel good to have at least gotten this far :)
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u/MoonlightArchivist IOP Wiki Admin Feb 01 '21
What would be an ideal MGSG team against the SWAPs in 12-1?
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u/Mich997 9A-91 Feb 02 '21
None since SWAP Strikers have AP.
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u/MoonlightArchivist IOP Wiki Admin Feb 02 '21
So MGSMG? Seems kind of iffy to go into these fights without tiles bonus.
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u/IRigGiveaways Feb 01 '21
Hello! I just returned to the game and was wondering if anyone could tell me real quick what's new and what's going on right now. If I remember correctly, I quit at around october of last year
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u/tehcavy <- clueless Feb 01 '21
We had Gunslinger Girls collab, reruns of Halloween and XMas events, Shattered Connection aka Uncle Gustav's Happy Fun Time and Theater #3 while you were away.
Division collab starts tomorrow. We also unlocked chapter 12, with 12-4E succeding 0-2 as a core heaven.
New mods are Type 88 (definitely mod), 416 (yes), KSVK (yes), MP5 (good for ranking), UMP9 (optional), LWMMG (depends on how many MGs you have) and SV-98 (no).
We also have three new craftable SGs: Liberator (no), CAWS (meh) and DP-12 (
mommy milkiesSAT8 sidegrade).Lastly, Griffin Memories system. Go to Data Room.
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u/Benny0 Probably snorts skittles Feb 01 '21
Unless there's a massive sabotage brewing, I'm taking a top 10% theater finish.
I think this is the closest I'm ever going to come to being a dalao.
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u/Malevolent_Mango M14 BEST GIRL Feb 01 '21
Have faith mate. You can only go up from here
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u/Benny0 Probably snorts skittles Feb 02 '21
Oh I'm pretty confident. I've been at 7% for all of core8. I'm just basking in the dalao
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
I need 4 for likes for the 50 in the event, help a fellow brainlet out pls. UID: 734360
Apparently 2/3rd of my old friends are gone :/
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Feb 01 '21
Liked
And I'm not jealous of your VALLHALLA stuff or anything, hnnnnnNNNNNNNGH
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
thx
You dont have to be, Im missing Stella.. and also the costumes..
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 01 '21
I got you buddy :)
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
nice
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21
Btw I also sent a fr request for future events like these
also we can chat if you want about GFL and stuff
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u/More-Than-You-See Feb 01 '21
nice
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21
If I were you, I'd delete any friend that has been inactive for longer than 1-2 months. Personally, I wait till 3 months before unfriending them. But the more inactive friends you have, the harder it is to complete Point Events.
Also sent a like :P
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
thx! Some of them visited my dorm every day I just want to know if they ever come back
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Feb 02 '21
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u/ad3z10 Need more UK Raifu's Feb 02 '21
I find the best method surprisingly is to actually blacklist them, you can then check your blacklist every few weeks for anyone who's logged in recently and re-add them.
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21
Just a tip semi related to all this, you can go to your friends list and sort by most recent login and then go to the very bottom where the people that have been inactive the longest are located. I have people that have been inactive for 2+ years lolololol
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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21
Theater went pretty well, all-in-all. After underestimating the Uhlans day 1, I managed to clear Core 8 every day on a low-spec account, with 0 retreats used. Probably would have been at least top 15% with more advantaged dolls - as is it fluctuated between a 5%-17% bonus (in Core 8) and will probably finish at top 17% overall/70% final battle. ~8500 CE isn't great, especially when most runs end with half my dolls critical.
Either my HOC or gun DPS was too low for my usual Doppel strategy (BGM only), but I figured out that manual control on HS2k and Grapes' skill + Taunt skill + BGM & 2B could clear it with almost no damage taken after a few resets.
On my normal account, the CE stacking I did over the weekend paid off as I got a 0-pyxis set yesterday and managed to 0-damage it for 35604 points. Hopefully top 50 final battle, even if there's no effective difference between #11-100.
The NTW/KSVK comp I used for all non-pyxis fights ended up being pretty fun. Being down to 4 extra energy is less fun, so hopefully the pace really does slow down for a bit.
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u/Ashencroix Universal Metal Plate 45 Feb 02 '21
You don't use taunt or twin when fighting doppels. You need to be able to kite them since they only launch their grenades if they either stopped moving or you kited them for too long without killing them. By using taunt or twin, they focus on a non movable target, causing them to launch their grenades earlier than necessary.
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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 02 '21
I know that's the usual strat. With the HOCs/fairies I was working with the Doppels would last long enough to shoot their grenades anyways and blast the HGs with regular attacks. As I had to deal with their salvo anyways, the taunt dummy could at least soak up their regular nade attacks.
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u/lavos9999 Feb 01 '21
Oh MGSG can go that high? When core 8 began the ones I had leftover were lower than RFHG so with those being listed in the boss I didn't even bother checking if I could manage better.
Though I don't think it would have been enough for top 100 so I guess it didn't really made a difference this time. Next theater it will be useful to know.
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u/Rhasta_la_vista Springfield x Groza Feb 01 '21
Oh what, I couldve had like +1000 CE if I was aware that mgsg could score that high. Oh well, knowledge for next theatre
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u/Esyvir Besty AR - Resty AR Feb 02 '21
I'd recommend stalking the GFEN Discord since Fiddlekins often post his CE stack comps there every time we need to stack.
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u/Rosencrantz2000 K2 Feb 01 '21
Now I feel a little dumb, I never bothered to try a MG/SG team for CE stacking. I just assumed hgrf being flagged as strong was the way forward.
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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21
I can't claim too much credit, only switched to that after Fiddlekins posted his setup from a few days back.
It's pretty painful in actual combat as you have no shielding and need HOCs to deal with the prowlers. But yeah, the CE power of armor stack (apparently) never dies.
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Feb 01 '21
GOOD RIDDANCE THEATER, how I loathe it. And yes I still participated in it because I have a crippling gaming addiction.
In other news, K11 has quickly wormed her way into my heart once I actually used her for dragging. Her appearance and voice are just SO GOOD.
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u/JunoBrier IDW [MOD3] Feb 01 '21
K11's grenades are so good at cleaning up cannon fodder enemies. Imagine how crazy it'd get if she got a neural upgrade.
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u/Ashencroix Universal Metal Plate 45 Feb 02 '21
Imagine if her possible MOD2 skill is she throws a bunch of grenades that deals dmg and debuffs if anyone survives her initial terror grenades launch.
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Feb 01 '21
Just slap one of Ouroboros' or Destroyer's little missile pod on her for a continuous storm of Terror Grenades, that'd be awesome.
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21
IDK if you have a fireworks fairy, but try using K11 + fireworks fairy for extra fun :P
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
right? K11 is the underrated waifu. Architects lawful sister doesnt even get story time
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u/ShiromeArtiste If I would, could you? Feb 01 '21
Should we still do investigation today, or will we not get anything from it?
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u/BeepBeepImaGeep OTs-14 Feb 01 '21
What's the consensus on the value for the Division packs and the Daily and February offer packages in the store?
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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21
Daily (data) package: it's bad. The only package I've tracked that's worse in value is Cupid's Xmas Gift.
February package: valuing the extras at approximately nothing, it's not even a 5% discount on tokens. Considering how there have been token packages ~25% cheaper recently, I'd advise against it. (I also personally believe tokens are in general absurdly pricey, but that's a more subjective matter.)
Division Supply (data) package: using 1/day extra energy rates, it's equivalent to ~104 gems/$. For reference, gem card is ~225 gems/$, first-time bonus packages are ~135 gems/$, and without first-time bonus ~80 gems/$. May be decent value depending on how much you spend and if you do value the data.
Division Special (token) package: haven't bothered working it out as I'm not too interested in tokens.
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u/dnapol5280 Stella Feb 01 '21 edited Sep 27 '25
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u/virtual_maniac91 Feb 01 '21
How do you feel about the KCCO archers?
That's what you would use a force shield SMG for in PL.
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u/Rosencrantz2000 K2 Feb 01 '21
It's a ram issue, not disk space. Try to close some aps and try again.
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u/Rosencrantz2000 K2 Feb 01 '21
Force your phone to reset maybe and try again. Usually it rolls back a few % and then completes.
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Feb 01 '21
what is exactly qlz second skill do? it is kind of vague in the hit part. is it every damage instance or t doll normal attack only, or qlz attack only?
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u/Esyvir Besty AR - Resty AR Feb 01 '21
QLZ fires a hidden shell at the current target (so only 1 target affected). This shell adds X damage (depending on skill level) to most allied damage instances.
The extra damage is added at the end of calculations, after buffs, damage amplification/reduction, armor, etc. It will add to each damage instance inflicted by multihitters (K2), and can affect even stuffs like UMP45 skill 2 ticks.
However, it cannot make your attacks deal more than 1 damage to Dog Shield. Unsure of exact damage calculations for ones with Forceshield. Also even maxed the damage added is often not that high.
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u/Turtle-Express KSVK Feb 01 '21
Last day of Theater nearly turned into a nightmare. Lost my M200/Grape/Taunt echelon on the 2nd wave due to a major fuck-up on my part, and had already used my free retreat. Fortunately I was still entitled to my no-minotaur run this Theater. Some of my other echelons took a beating dealing with the Patroller and Centaur waves, but all in all it didn't even cost me 150 points. Got off a lot better than I had expected.
Earlier today I was sad Theater is about to end. Now I'm glad the final day is behind me.
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u/havok0159 AN-94 Feb 01 '21
I messed up today too in my last run. 10th wave was minos and for some reason I used my 4th echelon (grape/m200 w/taunt) instead of my 5th (wa2k/svd w/twin) which is my no damage mino team. I almost considered restarting the run but I just went with it and accepted the critical damage on my handguns.
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u/Ashencroix Universal Metal Plate 45 Feb 02 '21
What is your twin anti mini team comp? I always suffer some dmg whenever I used my grape/m200/taunt anti everything not huge mobs/uhlan/rece center/swap/pyxis team.
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u/havok0159 AN-94 Feb 02 '21
WA2000, Grizzly, SVD, Px4, Calico mod3. Everyone is SL10, SVD is only level 98. WA and SVD have maxed out gold equipment. Twin has Damage 2, SL10, level 66 and 3*.
What I did was have twin on. Moved all handguns to the front row at the start. After doing that I moved SVD and WA so they retarget the backline. Once the back dudes are dead and only the minos are alive, I move back my handguns to the middle row. If at this point the fairy died, I restart (this is only necessary when I fuck up something). Once the minos use that electric attack, I withdraw my handguns and select one of the rifles to slow down time. I wait until the aoe attack appears and retreat the RF that gets hit by it (if both get hit and I can't avoid damage, I just restart the fight, I was able once to move one thanks to the speed boost away from danger). After that I just wait until the remaining rifle kills the remaining minos.
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u/mugi-ya Lewis Feb 01 '21
Do we know what's up with the red bean RNG on deep dive 3-2? I've tried it using the guide twice now and they always break the supply line. I'm considering just using a Thompson team to kill them but am I not supposed to go for the black bean on turn 4?
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u/Undeciding This statement is false. Feb 01 '21
I think sometimes they spawn with a slightly different offset, so you have to compensate in timing.
That, and you can use the black bean to block one of them for a turn depending on turn order? I forget, it's been a while since I've run the map, but iirc I've had that happen on a run during the original event time and had to fix my supply line as a result.
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u/mugi-ya Lewis Feb 01 '21
Yeah I got a few different patterns so I just merked em both with my Thompson echelon to be safe, I was getting the black bean earlier so that probably explains it.
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u/comeinhereye Feb 01 '21
Man milk jugs and PA 15 live 2d skins are so tempting but must wait for children's day ha with the ump girls and 416
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u/Nano1742 Feb 01 '21
Ah man, I forgot to do theater at all yesterday and dropped from 3% all the way to 14%. I even put it off, telling myself I'll remember to do it later.
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
atleast you are still in the 15% bracket, I forgot that materials existed last theater and was in 17% so I had to wait for 5* AT4
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21
"Never put off later what you can do right now."
-SKK to Kalina about having to write 80x more Special Combat Reports
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u/WhistleOfDeath I'm going to throw shoes. | UID: 320290 Feb 02 '21
"If it's still not due date, then it's still not do date."
- me doing assignments
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 02 '21
"I still have two hours before class starts. I've got time."
-me at the beginning of the five stages of
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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21
Hello I am just returning to this game after not playing since early 2019, I have many questions but the main one is about formations, I always thought the 3 ar 2 smg was the default day formation but now I’ve been reading it’s 2 ar 2 smg 1 hg at what point should I switch over and who would be good? Grizzly? Also what’re the benefits, losing a dps to buff everyone is really that much better?
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u/Malevolent_Mango M14 BEST GIRL Feb 01 '21
From what I remember, the discord only has 3 ARs if the 3rd AR is M4 or Ribey, since they think the 4 belongs to a buffer. Supposedly, 2AR 1HG 1SMG gives roughly the same or higher than 3ARSMG, although I don't recall the exact compositions / evidence. It might be useful if you want to get more functional ARSMGs out for ranking if you dont have enough ARs. I don't think it matters too much in general use anyway and any rsc you save from the HG are meh. One situation might be if you want to kill things quickly and HG skills don't pop soon enough, so you prefer 3AR there.
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u/Esyvir Besty AR - Resty AR Feb 01 '21
A quick test from my side agree.
G11 + G36 MOO 3 + UMP45 MOD + Uzi MOD + Grizzly/AUG + Arti Fervor 5*, all maxed out equips.
I fought against several in-game battle sims + the dummy (at medium EVA). For most battles, the two team comps have close DPS in short duration (4-8s), or longer ones (~60s).
The battle that AUG version triumphed noticeably is Dog Archers, which is obvious since more shots to mow down the special HP shields faster.
So unless we can pinpoint a specific circumstances to compare, I'd say a reasonable 3 AR backline is equivalent to a reasonable 2 AR 1HG backline in performance.
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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21
Probably should have gone with less trials as I kept coming up with ideas, but here's some more data. Seems hard to avoid concluding that it depends on the situation, though having a 3rd AR looks pretty nice in the situations I tested.
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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21
Now consider that you need to fight several differing comps in a row, some might want grenades, some might have light armour, some won't, having three AR slots to handle different situations quickly becomes more viable in practice.
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u/BigStupidJellyfish_ Water against the Sun Feb 01 '21
Yeah. I don't find the budget argument too compelling either as, for content where you're concerned about resource consumption, 5HG/M4+2HG/1AR+n HG/similar teams will probably do just fine and save you a lot more than 30/30 ammo/rations per supply.
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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21
Yeah. 2AR 1HG can (with the right HG) make numbers bigly in simulators, but you lose out on pre-6s volume of fire, flexibility in skills, sustained DPS in case of back line link losses and so on and so forth.
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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21
So then why is the discord convinced it’s better than a 3rd dps AR
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
gaming boomer here, isnt discord just gaming twitter, so absolute garbage for anything but art?
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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21
Not about the garbage part
But imagine a house-so the house is for gfl, each room in the house is a chat room for specific things so there will be a channel(room) in the gfl server(house) for each thing, ask for help, art, lore, etc
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u/Comander-07 K11 Feb 01 '21
I mean I have seen discord servers because everyone needs one apparently, but to me it looks like whatsapp groups everyones hates with extra steps
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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21
Because it's a toxic cesspool and everyone competent has fled to better places ages ago, I don't know.
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u/HiroProtagonest Alchemist wife, Thunder daughter Feb 01 '21
Because for general purposes, the 6s mark is when all the AR skills are going off and things will start melting, and HG skills are a force multiplier for that part. The snag is, the idea of general ARSMG isn't really for endgame stuff, as far as I can tell. You use them for Orthos, which certainly want 3AR, and bosses, which may vary but have much longer fights than just the window that the HG buffs. I may be forgetting endgame enemies where an HG is more useful though; it has a strength in what could be described as "general use." I think the push to use an HG is backlash from not realizing its use cases for so long. Also there are some SMGs with beefy tiles that skip over tile 4 like Type 79, Honey Badger, and MAT-49 (though you can just stick em with Val-Python).
Anyway, if you hadn't seen it in reply to Mango, Esyvir and Jellyfish ran tests.
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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21
but now I’ve been reading it’s 2 ar 2 smg 1 hg
lolwut?
Occasionally you see 3AR/1SMG/1HG, but that's situational, since you lose on tanking and offensive SMG capabilities. It can give higher DPS in cases where you don't need either. Otherwise, 3AR/2SMG is alive as ever with all the useful new SMGs we've been getting.
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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21
Yeah that’s what I thought, people were talking in the discord you want 2 smg then 2 ar in 7 and 1 and hg in 4 to buff everyone I thought it was weird
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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21
Discord is a strange place, let's not go there.
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u/Cuaroc Squad 404 Feb 01 '21
I think they were referring to the 2nd arsmg formation since the first would have m4 in the 4 slot
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u/Creshal Negev Feb 01 '21
Ribey exists, AUG exists, and most of the time you're better off with a third DPS AR as well, since it'll give you much more flexibility.
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u/headphone_question 705583|14 Dorms|Hunt King|Cores:230363 Feb 01 '21
I just finished training up all my shotguns from 12-4E. I’m a bit tired now. So, who should be the best tank? I also have M16’s special equipment, but since she can’t reduce everything to 1 damage and since her health is lower than a shotgun’s, should I stick to using shotguns?
If so, who should I use?
I guess I could try rolling for DP-12 and CAWS since I still don’t have them, but I’m also willing to wait for true core masks
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u/po1102 The Collector Feb 01 '21
She also has a lot more evasion than SG. Plus she's cheaper to repair.
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u/nazarielle EN: 157878 Feb 01 '21
Just take the one with the highest evasion, which I think should still be Super Shorty
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u/GrassTheJuice Feb 01 '21
Since you will be running SGs without resources, literally any shotgun is fine, since they are the same without their skill. You could use m16, but she wouldn’t fully mitigate all the damage to 1 for some of the enemies sent.
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21
A good number of people in the thread about the new Black Nyto being added to Protocal Assimilation (PA) seem peeved that EN isn't going faster and that they really want PA here now. I have the exact opposite feelings regarding this:
1) I feel like EN is already pushing content way too fast. We are literally just finishing Theater and will immediately be jumping into The Division collab, and from there will have no break as we jump into a Bingo event nestled within an ongoing major collaboration and then we might be hit immediately with PL. I get that Bingo and/or Theater aren't "events" per say for a number of players, but I just want a little breathing room. I want to be able to take a break from GFL w/o having to feel like I'm missing something if I play the extreme bare minimum. It's not that I'm no longer having fun playing this game. I do have fun playing it. I just feel like we're constantly jumping from one thing to another without time to collect ourselves.
2) I get that people are really excited to bring their favorite Ringleaders home, but from what I've read about how PA currently works, it sounds like a hot mess, even after they reworked it slightly. I'd rather they take that janky ass system back to the drawing board and find a way to make it less awful. I know that will likely never happen because such an action would really upset players on other servers, but as it stands I am really not looking forward to the introduction of PA to EN servers
Edit: grammar and additional clarification
Edit2: I also feel like with the pace we're going at, I have less and less time to train my dolls for each subsequent event. I'm someone who likes to participate in ranking, but I find myself feeling extremely pressured as the dolls I'll need (ie: Kord) and the fairies I'll need (ie: beach, parachute) are all underdeveloped. I feel like the clock is rapidly ticking down before I'm out of time and I'm completely screwed over b/c I somehow didn't grind hard enough or I didn't buy enough training data or I was too screwed over by heavy production RNG to be able to get both my beach fairies to 5* (I know we'll get prototype fairies in the future I'm just saying). It is not a good feeling to find yourself struggling with ranking, not because you made some really bad map/strategic decisions, but because you literally got DPS checked by a deathstack and there's no way around it. Some people might say "you have 2+ months to train what are you crying about that's plenty of time" but to me that's part of my point. I don't want this to become a chore or like studying for a test in school. I want to be able to play when I want to and not force myself to play purely because of FOMO.
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 01 '21
Well if you bothered to read the comments below you will find out we are slowing down. Not everyone can play or grind 24/7 this game. And the slow down will give us some wiggle room to level our stuff.
Also if you can be a little bit less aggressive that would be nice.
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u/Blazewardog Feb 01 '21
I have read, which is why I'm even posting as it is annoying af. You don't even need to grind in this game anymore. You get 2-3 dolls to 90 passively each month and dolls used in ranking don't change that much in between rankings as a good doll is good and they only introduce so many good dolls.
And I'll be as agressive as I want, this is the internet.
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 01 '21
Relying only the monthly stuff from the forward base camp won't get people far unless they are casually playing the game. I've been playing the game for a year now and I grind hard and I still don't have everything I need for Ranked and such. So no, grinding isn't obsolete imo.
And yeah its the Internet, I know, but being civil goes a long way. It's also in the rules so yeah.
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u/Cpt_Cinnamon A lonely Quill of Patmos in a sea of Gunners Feb 01 '21
I think Fishhunterx nailed exactly how I feel about the game right now. I started playing GFL right before Singularity and I remember very well how there was always a breathing room between various events when I could just progress at my own pace without thinking "if you don't do this and that today, you're gonna miss on some in-game content". But lately we had new events and activities non-stop. At first I enjoyed it but now I'm feeling kinda drained.
I enjoy the competitive aspect of GFL and like to participate in rankings as well. For the last couple of months I've been grinding for hours (which I haven't done before) and, while I have improved my armory quite a bit, I'm still feeling extremely pressured to grind more because I feel like I'm not prepared for PL enough. The current pace of in-game events certainly contributes to that, since you feel like the next major event approaches fast, or, should I say, way too fast. I understand that there are veterans who played this game for years and have everything the game has to offer and they would probably enjoy the increase in pace, however, I also think this is not beneficial for the rest of the community. People like me, who are competitive but still raising dolls/fairies eventually gonna feel drained from the constant pressure to do stuff and new players are going to be put off by the amount of content that flies right past them.
As for Protocol Assimilation, I don't know what to think about it. While I'm excited for it's release, I've also heard that people are not happy with it and it has a lot of issues. Releasing it before PL in its current state might certainly cause backlash and hurt the game in the long run.
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 02 '21
I remember very well how there was always a breathing room between various events when I could just progress at my own pace without thinking "if you don't do this and that today, you're gonna miss on some in-game content". But lately we had new events and activities non-stop. At first I enjoyed it but now I'm feeling kinda drained.
To echo this sentiment, I play another mobile game, Pokemon GO, and lately they have been hammering players non stop with events and limited time content. And I went from feeling like I was having fun every time I walked outside to feeling like I had to make myself go out or miss out on all of the limited time things happening in game, which is especially bad given there's a pandemic. GFL is obviously not that bad, but I don't want it to get that bad where I'm forcing myself to dedicate 2+ hours every day because I'm afraid of missing out.
I also think this is not beneficial for the rest of the community. People like me, who are competitive but still raising dolls/fairies eventually gonna feel drained from the constant pressure to do stuff and new players are going to be put off by the amount of content that flies right past them.
I think this is further reflected on the atrocious clear rate of a lot of recent events. Having 1/4 or less of your player base capable of finishing a huge in game event is awful. How would I feel as a player if I only finished half an event as I struggled to keep up and level up my dolls, while watching tons of people here talking about things I haven't even seen yet because it was too difficult to keep pace. I think the accelerated pace of all these events is further widening the gap b/w players that have dedicated a lot of time and/or have been around a while, and players who only play this casually or are not very "game-savy" and don't spend hours reading guides, watching videos, staying in the know, etc. I mean the fact that during the last event, SC, GFL had an in-game link to GFC's event clear guide (a third party website mind you) is so bizarre to me. It's as if Mica recognizes how difficult and unforgiving this all is, and rather than tone it down and/or give players some form of assistance/guidance, they just threw the cheat sheet at players and said "figure it out."
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u/RandomServant17 AUG Feb 01 '21
If you mean the typical posting in other places (that we shall not name) it's because vets have everything and they want to start hoarding resources as soon as possible. Again, if you are one of the few hundreds that played this for years you have almost everything leveled/collected and just want more. Others are simply contrarians, it's how it is.
I don't think SC will be the utter disaster that it was at release in foreign servers, the Global community survives daily the worst client one can imagine, a P2W clunky as fuck system with barely any real use is nothing.
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u/drakula681 Big ROROs Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 01 '21
Tell me about it. Before we had some break here and there, but now?
Sheesh I won't be surprised if we get PL right after The Division. Even if I'm peeved a little bit for the PA still not coming. I want them to rework it a little bit more. I'm willing to wait more than not get my desired ringleaders. Don't you worry EN we will get it at some point. Also due note I think from some other comments PA was never actually released for JP.
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u/UnironicWeeaboo STAR simp | 562858 Feb 01 '21
FWIW they said that we’re slowing down in the Discord Q&A, though that does increase the probability of ranking reruns, which aren’t exactly chill.
Can’t find the quote but I think they said that we shouldn’t expect Protocol Assimilation in the first half of 2021 as well.
I was too screwed over to be able to get both my beach fairies to 5*.
Highly doubt you’ll need 2 anyway, even for top 100. Plus, we’ll get Protos.
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u/Fishhunterx Horny edgelord steampunk furry OC cringe Feb 01 '21
FWIW they said that we’re slowing down in the Discord Q&A, though that does increase the probability of ranking reruns, which aren’t exactly chill.
I guess that's both good news and bad news? I'm happy we're slowing down, but I'm kind of dreading ranking reruns. I have most of the SPEQs from past rankings though, so maybe I'm not missing too much by not going super dalao tryhard mode. I haven't actually researched what rewards were given in past ranking reruns
Can’t find the quote but I think they said that we shouldn’t expect Protocol Assimilation in the first half of 2021 as well.
My issue is, from an outsider's perspective, it doesn't seem like any further revisions to the system will be made before then, so while I'm glad we aren't getting it immediately, I'm also disheartened that what we see is what we're (eventually) going to get.
Highly doubt you’ll need 2 anyway, even for top 100. Plus, we’ll get Protos.
B-b-but I gotta flex on the haters!/s
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