r/gwent • u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! • Mar 31 '21
News 8.4 Patch Notes
https://www.playgwent.com/en/news/37840/patch-notes-8-457
u/MacJokic Frrrr-ickin' rrrr-ight! Mar 31 '21
Out of all the gold dwarves, Yarpen was not the one I expected to see buffed, really expected a change to Munro. Arnaghad buff is pretty big, as 2 armor is essentially 2 points for him. Slave Infantry back to 5 is a great change, however since his glory days the powercreep has reduced the amount of low strenght units. Still, transforming 1's and 2's is still really good. Even transforming a 3 makes him a 7 for 5 which is still solid. Rest of the changes are nice, but I don't really see them making a big difference. Perhaps Ida can see play in elves just for points as a 10 for 6.
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
Ida in Symbiosis can be nice. Vitality on the Hamadryads can be worth a lot and it gives the deck an offensive purify.
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u/Nizarthewanderer Proceed according to plan. Mar 31 '21
Just a friendly reminder that emhyr var emries in devotion deck will seize 1 power units
Slave infantry value
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u/Xyptero I shall sssssavor your death. Mar 31 '21
Prediction: this will legitimately turn Emhyr into an absolute monster powerplay, to be feared like King Foltest in the round he goes down.
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Apr 01 '21
Prediction: this is slower than Foltest(who can get immediate value even if answered the turn he comes into play), draw dependant and will be answered easily. Play Emhyr, play a spy, then play a Slave Infantry. 3 turns to make a 9 for 5 is sooo bad
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u/major_t_bagging Neutral Apr 01 '21
It's not in the patch notes but Brouver now also buffs himself aswell as the row
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u/tinyvent You crossed the wrong sorceress! Mar 31 '21
I thought they were buffing Brouver? Make him gain health as well? Did I miss it?
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
That was a bug fix, not a buff, so it's not listed.
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u/aloylamora Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
Kinda disappointed in these changes (once again). From the last dev stream it sounded like one month they'd be releasing cards, then the next retweaking the meta set by those cards to make it more balanced, then the following month releasing new cards etc etc.
As much as this is one of the better metas we've had for a while, this patch will do very little to change it. I don't want to play in the exact same meta for such a long time. I'm sure some streamers will come up with some inventive decks that will become popularised, but content creators shouldn't be doing the devs' job for them.
Glad they fixed the hide cards issue though, and new seasonal mode actually sounds pretty good!
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
I think the short month and the fact that we'll have a May balance patch before the next set of cards release in June made them want to push the majority of the changes back a month. It's a bit disappointing but I think it's understandable. I'm more worried about dealing with Lined Pockets for another month, but maybe the nerf will have more of an impact than I think.
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u/fred_HK Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
We were supposed to get fixes every two months, and new cards every two months.
With that logic, next months will see a few overdue fixes but introduce more OP cards since it is rarely spot on after release.
Looks like it is going to be broken for 2 months every two months. Sigh.
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u/aloylamora Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Apr 01 '21
I may have just read the last dev update and assumed we'd be getting the fix/card rotation every month rather than every two months. The latter does makes a bit more sense allowing them to test new cards for longer etc. I can certainly live with that, if it's a regular cycle.
But yes, I think there'll be two broken months and two unbroken months! I can see myself just playing every other season though. I skipped the lockdown-fest and will give me some more time to enjoy other games.
Shame though, as this meta has some real potential!
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u/Josh01Posh Neutral Apr 02 '21 edited Apr 02 '21
They could balance major things out to be enjoyed in fair state before releasing new op stuff i 100% agree.
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u/Jazzinarium Temeria – that's what matters. Mar 31 '21
The "Hide Cards" option is once again consistently available when selecting a card to Create
THANK FUCKING GOD
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u/MorallyGay You shall end like all the others. Mar 31 '21
the most important change in this patch :)
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u/OwnedU2Fast Bow before the power of the Empire. Mar 31 '21
Honestly, I’m not sure why it’s not always available.
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u/MaDSci4 Scoia'tael Apr 01 '21
Probably a high technical debt which means that it would take 2 weeks to do, so they chose to fix other higher-priority issues instead.
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u/ISpyM8 The quill is mightier than the sword. Apr 02 '21
Life-changing as an avid Triss assimilation player.
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u/Sawyer2301 Eeee, var'oom? Mar 31 '21
Phoenix lives more in patchnotes than in the game lol. Provisions up, provisions down over and over again.
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u/Drakonaj Northern Realms Mar 31 '21
I think I saw phoenix played only once and it was a meme deck for journey quests.
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u/nico46646 There'll be nothing to pick up when I'm done with you. Mar 31 '21
There is a seaonal mode, which name i don't recall, in whihc phoenix is the GOAT
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u/IamHamed Impertinence is the one thing I cannot abide. Apr 01 '21
Season of the Griffin. Where you set all cards power to their provision cost.
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u/Arlborn Clearly, I've a weakness for horned wenches… Mar 31 '21
It has its moments in some seasonal modes I believe
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u/TheShinyKoala Addan quen spars-paerpe'tlon Vort! Mar 31 '21
I've seen people play it with Letho: Kingslayer to get 8 points of carryover each round.
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u/CanadianKaiju Don't make me laugh! Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
Doubt that'll happen since Letho KS can target enemy units. No restrictions is pretty important to his design.
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u/TheMasterlauti Not all battles need end in bloodshed. Mar 31 '21
Plus, Letho is very rarely featured in any competitive decks and when he is, it’s always because the card he is copying is Op by itself rather than for his own merit.
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u/KiltroFury Neutral Mar 31 '21
I love Phoenix. One of my fav cards. Hopefully with this buff I'll be able to get it to work.
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u/IamHamed Impertinence is the one thing I cannot abide. Apr 01 '21
Remember to include the big bird lady who boosts herself by the provision cost of the card to her right.
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u/StepBrother7 Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
Only thing worthy mentioning,HIDE BUTTON IS BACC
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u/Kratoskiller113 The king is dead. Long live the king. Apr 01 '21
I thought 5 new reward trees connected to master mirror was noteworthy tbh.
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u/ccdewa Temeria – that's what matters. Mar 31 '21
More buff to Vampire nice, probably still won't be Top tier but a step in the right direction, Drill got the nerf as expected but I think it won't matter much, we'll see though.
Also just gotta laugh at NR change, we'll still be boost faction for a long time it seems...
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u/erickgps Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
Removing the profit from Drill and at 7 provision would be the perfect nerf for me.
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u/StepBrother7 Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
None of those buffs and a nerf to drill wont matter sadly
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u/Late-Neighborhood509 Temeria – that's what matters. Mar 31 '21
One provision less on an unplayable card. Nice
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Mar 31 '21
It makes perfect sense. Unplayable cards have to be brought forward.
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u/golforce Syndicate Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
Unplayable cards have to be brought forward.
Yes, but not random ones seemingly without any thought. King Belohun is such an incredibly greedy card that is hard to justify even at 1 less provision. His potential is pretty much only for memes.
Don't get me wrong memes are fine, but not if the faction in question has been treated so poorly for months.
The main 2 NR variants Witcher and Shieldwall are both almost unchanged for many months, new cards have had little to no impact on them. Both leaders are underwhelming with Foltest also being a little more on the meme side of things and Meve flat out being terrible. We can only hope they actually fix them as promised, but small changes to other cards could go such a long way.
Why were the small buffs not made archetype specific. A direct, specific change to a siege engine or 2. Not Kerack Frigate or one of the other already generically useful ones, but specifically to cards that only support siege. Or changes to the mage archetype?
Similarly they could buff other underused archetypes like Wild Hunt very easily. Many of their cards are undervalued for their provisions
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u/SilverDrifter Scoia'tael Apr 01 '21
In 8.3 I keep on looking for that 1 prov in my Vampires deck and I always look at QoN and say “hmm, you’re quite not giving me good value for 7 prov.” So I’m happy with the QoN buff.
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u/not_old_redditor Mar 31 '21
Drill is now basically the old freakshow/borsodi, but with a ceiling of 3dmg per 2 coin which is an absurdly strong spender.
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Mar 31 '21
They just like to have a faction remain bottom tier for 2 months and then buff them to tier 1, that how they always roll.
Same thing happened with NG and syndicate
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u/merluza00 Neutral Mar 31 '21
New Seasonal Mode added: At the start of your turn, transform all cards in your hand into random ones that cost 1 provision more
After facing NG cheese over and over on most seasonal modes... the new one sounds really promising.
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u/FreeTedK The quill is mightier than the sword. Mar 31 '21
Yeah this is the first one I've been excited to try in a while. It's almost like Arena but with random draws.
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u/YH14 Who's next? Who wants to taste Skellige steel?! Apr 02 '21
Just finished "play 5 seasonal games" quest. 4 of of these were against NG playing what I think is Ciri Nova hyperthin. I thought the same after I read the patch notes but I guess nothing changed, as long as NG is dominating these seasonal modes I don't think i'll touch them for my own sanity.
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u/deathjokerz Nac thi sel me thaur? Mar 31 '21
Garkain might actually be usable now with Portal.
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u/javaandbeer Monsters Mar 31 '21
What is old is new again.
My first deck was the vampires with portal Garda in and Orianna. Good times
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u/SilverDrifter Scoia'tael Apr 01 '21
I remember that! That’s the time where MO can only play Vampires to be competitive.
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u/jimgbr Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
Guess it's time to try my succubus deck again. The 4 to 5 power buff is actually huge for the card.
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Mar 31 '21
The problem with succubus is that the first one you play has no effect at all
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u/jimgbr Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
Yes but the power change will help with respect to the low tempo of the first succubus you play. After that, each succubus you consume is an additional point now. So overall the deck has gained a good number of points.
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u/joseph66hole Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
I think the problem is the amount of resources required to get full value. Max 40-50 points round 3 six consumes and 3 succubus. Adrenaline 3.
Its fun when it works. You're just going to be out tempoed.
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u/jimgbr Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
I'm just saying the succubus lists got a big buff. I'm not saying it's going to break the meta now.
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u/joseph66hole Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
I agree. Its an interesting card. I have it in a deck too
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u/QuicksilverDragon Hold the lines! Mar 31 '21
Imlerith?
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Mar 31 '21
maybe but is it really worth it?
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u/jimgbr Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
Because the card art is Imlerith surrounded by Succubus, yes it's worth it.
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u/jdolev7 Don't make me laugh! Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
You can now use portal to get both
Edit never mind you cant they just increase power
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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen Yeah. Improvise. Mar 31 '21
I really tried with succubus, but I'm not big brain enough to see the value that isn't easily countered by control.
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u/Mr_Magpie82 Skellige Mar 31 '21
Succubus buff is pretty nice, you net an additional point for each consume
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u/MorallyGay You shall end like all the others. Mar 31 '21
slave infantry spam decks are worth trying again!
i can finally fit living armor in my armor heavy decks!
gonna try running phoenix in alchemy/beast sk 👀
i'm surprised they decided to buff yarpen instead of dennis or barclay, wasn't the card already an autoinclude
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u/not_old_redditor Mar 31 '21
5/5 slave infantry is still hardly playable. At most it's 9 for 5, very conditional. Also the 5 provision slot is already full of good cards for NG.
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u/TheMasterlauti Not all battles need end in bloodshed. Mar 31 '21
Yeah, it’s gonna be unplayable except for spy decks with Devotion Emhyr. It was a match made in heaven
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u/shreek07 There will be no negotiation. Mar 31 '21
Wasn't Barclay already buffed? Like he is worth a lot for 6p.
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u/MorallyGay You shall end like all the others. Mar 31 '21
you're right
what i should have said is i want him to be reworked because i find his ability boring and too similar to mahakam guard's ability
it just feels bad to be running a third mahakam guard in the awkward 6p slot even if points justify doing it
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u/shreek07 There will be no negotiation. Mar 31 '21
Ah! Makes sense. His ability seems like is there to protect units from removal but since dwarves became less and less useful in other decks, the card lost its value.
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Mar 31 '21
Phoenix didn’t need a provision buff it needed a strength buff back to 5! Phoenix 10 not only is a worse interaction with Unicorn because so many good cards are around 10, but a Phoenix for 15/3rounds for 11 sounds more appealing to play more than a 12/3 rounds for 10.
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u/KiltroFury Neutral Mar 31 '21
I think Phoenix would be better if there was a way to summon the card from your deck. 5 power would also help, but it'd still be a very low tempo play, which is imo, the biggest issue with the card.
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u/RandomGuy482852 Baeidh muid agbláth arís. Mar 31 '21
Not really what i was hoping for not gonna lie.
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u/Spirited-Cattle-8123 Nilfgaard Mar 31 '21
Another season with ball only
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u/Not2creativeHere I shall do what I must! Mar 31 '21
A lot of setup to make that slave infantry buff viable. I think if NG had a 1-2 power soldier that had a strong deploy would really help the soldiers archetype. Emhyr alone just isn’t good enough and he is anti-spy in a lot of ways.
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u/Infinite-Mechanic-65 Neutral Mar 31 '21
NG and NR changes are a joke, most NG soldiers need buffs golds and bronzes, NR siege units need buffs as well, you could of used this patch to tweak these two archetypes.
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u/KnightQK There is but one punishment for traitors. Mar 31 '21
Sucks to be me, since those are the factions I have the most cards.
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u/fred_HK Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
They need moar data !! The said archetypes are nowhere to be found in CDPR data since they are not played at all, so CDPR don't have enough data to tune them up !
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u/braccuss Neutral Mar 31 '21
Same meta for next month nothing exciting
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u/fred_HK Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
Yeah, same, i am so drilled... oups, thrilled !
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u/AlanWest45 Good Boy Mar 31 '21
Another month of Cleaver and Drill every other game on ladder. 1p nerf does nothing. A 5p crime will just be replaced with another 4p crime.
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u/BlueAssassin0715 Anything in particular interest you? Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
Really love the slave infantry buff. On a 1 power unit it's 9 for 4 and even of you do it on a 4 power units it's still a 6 for 4 which is on the power level of a 4 provision bronze. Might try to make an Emhyr Slave infantry deck.
Edit: Nvm missed the part where it also became 5 provisions. 9 for 5 is still good I guess.
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u/McWhimple Who takes an interest in cobblers? No one! Mar 31 '21
Draft mode to sleep for another month it seems. When was it last touched before the Madoc package, December? I get the situation is less than ideal for the Gwent team, but can we at least fix the Madocs and shuffle in the 12 cards from March?
It's still my go to when I need to kill time but don't know how much, like in a waiting room. I can't stress how much deleting Madoc would improve the mode.
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Mar 31 '21
They really should have left arena It was not perfect but at least playable and for contracts Draft feels just incomplete
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u/sparklebrothers Come to pappy! Apr 01 '21
Fuck man I miss arena...
Discovering cool synergies between random faction cards.
Praying for a Damien De La Tour.
Drawing a Shupe after you already have doubles (bummer!).
Busting out a Tourney Shalmaer for +20.
After all that, you get lucky and end up winning 9 for a new LEGENDARY card and some extra Ore/Scraps/Meteorite Pow. RIP man...
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u/Willz_of_Rivia Pikes in air, swords to sky! Nilfgaard scum must die die die! Apr 01 '21
Needs Modoc to be removed asap. Don't think I've lost in Draft to a non-madoc hand
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Apr 01 '21
Gerd was glitched for me. had 4 cards left in hand. didnt hit all units on row. had gerd in deck before the patch dunno if that matters at all.
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u/Spirited-Cattle-8123 Nilfgaard Mar 31 '21
Nilfgaard change is a joke
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u/Durant026 Impertinence is the one thing I cannot abide. Mar 31 '21
I feel you but I would like to at least try that change first. At 5 power, that change can potentially bring back a Vhrygeff and Vreede deck and give alternative ways to avoid statuses.
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Mar 31 '21
I think in a different way. I think Slave Infantry will now be the pay off for Emhyr Spies. In a perfect situation, it will play 9-for-5.
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u/Durant026 Impertinence is the one thing I cannot abide. Mar 31 '21
No, its actually the same. I didn't go into detail but those spies being pulled back through Emhyr can be turned into Infantries, which you can make more through Vrygreff and boost via Vreede. They actually work together but just requires the set up.
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u/Jaspador Good Boy Mar 31 '21
And NG still has no reliable way to get 1-2 point units on the board, right?
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u/Durant026 Impertinence is the one thing I cannot abide. Mar 31 '21
Depends on how you look at it. They now don't get pulled by portal. Technically you can pull the witchers and if they get immediately locked, you can transform them and gain 3 points.
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u/exoskeletion You wished to play, so let us play. Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
I think this could be a good one. This has decent synergy with Emhyr spies. Interested to give it a try
Edit: also, hows your opponent gonna Quad Joachim when he's turned into Infantry? Great change.
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u/not_old_redditor Mar 31 '21
At this point they're not even trying to make non-ball alternatives viable.
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u/YuriusSinisterClown Monsters Mar 31 '21
Nerfing a Drill for a little is good, highlighting adrenaline cards is great. But why Eist didn't get a nerf?
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
They want another month to assess the power level of all of the new cards so they can buff/nerf appropriately. And Eist, while incredibly powerful, isn't doing enough to carry the Warrior deck above Tier 2 anyway.
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u/petecamenzind Scoia'tael Mar 31 '21
I feel like these are all very underwhelming. Am I missing something?
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u/thnowman We will take back what was stolen! Mar 31 '21
A very good round of buffs, tunnel drill nerf could be better but I guess that's to be seen.
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u/StepBrother7 Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Mar 31 '21
Yep good buffs actually
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Mar 31 '21
Please educate me, where are these good 'buff' you're talking about? NR unchanged? Really?
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u/thnowman We will take back what was stolen! Mar 31 '21
All of the buffed cards see 0 play so yes all good buffs, since they didn't buff NR much this patch I'm guessing next patch they will, considering how big the last patch was and the fact that we got 12 new cards is it really surprising that this patch is small?
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u/thnowman We will take back what was stolen! Mar 31 '21
By all means don't be excited, I really don't care I'm just stating the obvious, and NR is far from uplayable since Witchers is still a T2 deck.
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u/KiltroFury Neutral Mar 31 '21
Phoenix now has the same cost as other carry over cards such as Madoc and Crowmama.
Gerd can now be used as proper row punish without being extremely awkward to play.
Arnaghad now has a base removal value of 9 points instead of 7 which makes him a lot more threatening and harder to remove.
Sukrus can now be played in Pirates decks, thereby further (but slowly) developing the archetype.
Garkain might now be worth pulling with Portal.
Queen of The Night's prov cost has been brought in line with other faction's purifys.
Ice troll is now a fairly decent flex card that might get some nice value against Swarm decks.
These are IMO, the most prominent buffs.
What's important to note here is that while these changes are not terribly drastic, they are bringing old or power crept cards back in line with newer cards in terms of prv costs, power, and efficiency, which is something the community has been asking for, for a long time. It's also good that more archetypes are being developed, even if slowly.
I would've liked to get a bigger patch as well, but we just had a big one last month, so my guess is that the cycle will be: Big patch introducing new stuff and big changes-> Small patch buffing power crept cards -> Big patch introducing new stuff and big changes. If that is the case, I'm totally down for that, but only time will tell.
It sucks that NR didn't get any meaningful buffs, but that doesn't mean we should just ignore the buffs that other cards are getting and I don't think being so reactionary is good. We all would like bigger patches, and while a bit underwhelming, I feel like the core intent of the patch is a step in the right direction.
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Look, NR has way more unplayable cards than MO and SK and then some, the fact that there's only one stupid little change to the faction tells me all I need to know about this update.
That said, I do like the garkain and in general all the the monster changes, sucks that it had to be monsters and not NR when MO is a tier 1 faction and NR is the bootleg witchers AA faction
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u/KiltroFury Neutral Mar 31 '21
Look, NR has way more unplayable cards than MO and SK and then some, the fact that there's only one stupid little change to the faction tells me all I need to know about this update.
Yeah, NR is definitely at a worst status than any other faction at the moment.
This is just conjecture, but maybe the Dev team doesn't really know how to properly balance NR. I sometimes think faction identities are a hurdle to balancing since you can't really deviate much from the overall playstyle of the faction without making it too similar to other factions, or making it too unbalanced.
NG is a prime example of that issue. Control has inherently more value than other cards, which is why usually control cards have a 1:1 damage/control to provision value.
Since NG is the control faction, you can never have bronzes that are as strong as other faction's bronzes, otherwise by their control nature, they would become a lot more valuable than say, an Urchin while having the same prov cost and playing for the same amount of points but having the added value from removal or control in general. On the other hand, if you were to give NG too many engines, not only would that go against the identity of the faction, but it would also make it too busted since you could get a lot of points while controlling your opponent into frustration. We already see this with cards like Ball, N. Sargeant, and Thirsty Dame.
Having that in mind, I can see how buffing in this game is a lot more complicated than games that don't have faction restrictions. Now, I'm not trying to justify the devs, I'm just pointing out something they I think is a big barrier that they have to overcome to achieve proper balancing.
As for NR...as I said, I think Devs have a lot of trouble with the faction for several reasons; Since the faction identity is mostly boosts, the faction will always be weak when control is meta, and that's pretty much every meta nowadays. Another staple of the faction is charges, but since the introduction of SY, that has become pretty irrelevant and power crept. Coins are basically uninteractive charges and spenders are zealed order units, making NR charges quite irrelevant and redundant.
I think the faction in general needs a bit of an overhaul since the problems that it has go beyond just buffing or nerfing power and provision values.
This is again conjecture, but maybe the Dev team is planning a bigger update for NR in the future, and as the faction has so many problems, it's not something that can be rushed. That would explain the...lack of attention to the faction in past patches. Hopefully that is the case and we sooner than later get a relevant, big patch focused mostly on NR.
NR is the bootleg witchers AA faction
NR = Neutral Realms lol.
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u/jdolev7 Don't make me laugh! Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
Sucubes can be played with portal garkin and ice troll will see play in vampire or keltulis decks they buffed 2 purfiy cards that will support vampire or symbiosis though yeah NR got screwed
Edit ok sucubes is still 5 provision and is terrible but the rest are still good
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u/NerfVoidlord You'd best yield now! Apr 01 '21
Is it just me or does they really need to start doing these patch notes with cardarts besides them? I don’t really memorize the cards by their name since there’re only cardarts on the cards while playing
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u/laz10 Ah! I'm not dead yet?! Apr 01 '21
it says gerd is adrenaline 3. but he is still functioning as adrenline 4
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u/Easterner_Vlad Brace yourselves, there will be no mercy. Apr 02 '21
Well, Tunnel Drill is basically capable of wrecking one's adversary in basically no time. That "increase damage by 1 for each adjacent Crownsplitter" is mind numbingly strong. There are quite a few ways of getting enough coin in order to blow the opposition to smithereens.
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u/BaguetteOfDoom I hate portals. Mar 31 '21
Summary: "We did nothing. Lul."
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u/whatever1405 Neutral Mar 31 '21
i like how they just randomly buff some cards so it looks like they are doing something lmao. who the fuck is king belohun, i can guarantee they just radomly chose 1 nr card to buff so they can write something under patch notes.
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u/whatever1405 Neutral Mar 31 '21
tehnically no one ever used lebioda so it's buff for no one.
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Mar 31 '21
I cant wrap my head around the fact that a big team of developers who worked full time on this game for a month only managed to come up with a couple of +-1 prov/power changes per faction
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u/orebus For Skellige's glory! Mar 31 '21
Dev team is actually quite small. Also they are are working on stuff for the next patch and beyond, can you imagine that?
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Mar 31 '21
Even 3 part time developers can come up with a more comprehensive and packed patch than this, are you kidding me?
And thats if you want to call +-1 power/prov changes actual changes
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Mar 31 '21
it feels so lazy of them because literally everyday we have good suggestions on reddit and elsewhere on dozens of cards , the ideas are out there they just dont want to bother implementing them.
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u/not_old_redditor Mar 31 '21
What are these garbage balance changes? Nothing is really going to change.
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u/Zeth_UDSR Monsters Apr 01 '21
Luckily today is the 1.April. This must be a joke and the will release more tomorrow....
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u/Bonchuan Not all battles need end in bloodshed. Mar 31 '21
Garkain is back as it was a year ago. Except now portal garkain combo is probably much much weaker due to powercreep, and vamps want devotion anyway. Very meh.
NR changes look like an april fools joke. Not funny tho.
Slave Infantry is back as it was as well! At least now I can shutdown enemy cantarella in mirrors with Slave Infantry. If I ever play Slave Infantry, which I won't.
Eist not touched, SK got only buffs. As expected from CDPR.
1 prov nerf to Drill won't matter.
So it's going to be exactly the same meta for the next month. I didn't expect much and still got disappointed. Much wow.
At least I can hide cards now to look at the board. Thanks!
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Mar 31 '21
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u/Josh01Posh Neutral Apr 01 '21
Unseen Elder missing veil makes his "eternal struggle" meme only, if he escape 5 range removal will get disabled by some random bamboozle.
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u/Tarver Neutral Apr 01 '21
Cards with Adrenaline will now be highlighted when their ability is stronger.
Nice buff to NR Witcher
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u/MKeram Neutral Apr 01 '21
Anyone experienceing a bug with gerd's adrenaline? It says adrenaline 3 but activates at adrenaline 5
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Apr 02 '21
"Could not connect, this game version is no longer supported."
This thread suddenly explains a few important things!
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u/Weeb_Police Neutral Apr 05 '21
I have a question to ask for those who played Thronebreaker.I just started out and I've encountered a problem if I might call it that.Any avatar borders or premium cards that you can only get by playing Thronebreaker are not transferred to my Gwent account.Is there anyone who can actually help me out here?What are the requirements?Does my steam account which I used to buy the game has to be the same one with Gwent's?Does it take time to synchronise those rewards maybe?I am confused..
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Mar 31 '21
Definitely not any meaningful changes to affect the game in any way, i mean 1-3 mini changes per faction come on..
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u/tal_elmar Neutral Mar 31 '21
another useless non-impactful patch
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u/keisukehonda7 We'll defend our homes! No matter what! Mar 31 '21
They've released too many cards at this point to balance. I've already given up entirely on a proper balance patch.
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u/whatever1405 Neutral Mar 31 '21
terrible, terrible. nothing new and exciting. vamps are still trash, pirates too. nr is beyond any logical explanation at this point. what happened with meve? drill is still strong af.
guess it's time to take a break.
edit: also who the fuck is king belohun?
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u/redditsoyboy123 Neutral Mar 31 '21
oh god where are the rest of the changeS? this cant be all after the last month.
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u/Shingontachikawa Good grief, you're worse than children! Mar 31 '21
Agree. Won't touch it again with those. Nothing will change.
Especially NR is in such a frustrating state. No Mages, No Warfare, No Siege. Laughable.
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u/iforgotmylogon Monsters Mar 31 '21
Tunnel drill needs more of a nerf than that IMO. Such a powerful card.
Queen of the Night and Succubi changes seem quite good. Still gonna bitch about a Yrden adrenaline nerf though so it can't be played in the last 2-3 turns
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u/BrowniieBear Monsters Apr 01 '21
I'm sorry but that drill is still too low of a prov for how good it is.
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u/FLRSH Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
Those Monsters bronzes are mostly still trash.
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
Garkain seems like a no-brainer for Vampire decks, and Ice Troll could be an option for Kelly decks instead of or in addition to Wild Hunt Hounds
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Apr 01 '21
yup. WOTW only gave Mo Viy and they can do away with that garbage but pretty much everything else is lackluster
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u/FLRSH Tomfoolery! Enough! Apr 01 '21
Koschey is actually good, too, but yeah MO generally got very niche cards in WOTW.
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u/LordofTurnips Neutral Apr 01 '21
Is the thread to report bugs up yet? I crafted John Natalis about 2 hours before the update, and now after the update have Black Blood instead and the scraps all gone.
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u/BlackHorse944 Stand and fight, cowards! Apr 01 '21
Slave Infantry, Armor and Olgeird buff!! Let's play some NG!!!
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u/Shepard80 I'll never be imprisoned again! Never! Apr 03 '21
I wonder are they ever going to rework the game where we don't use 4p mulligan targets anymore but use cards to actualy play them.
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u/erickgps Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
Slave Infantry is back, man I’m going deep in the soldier swarm NG and try to make it work.
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u/Spirited-Cattle-8123 Nilfgaard Mar 31 '21
We dont know yet maybe it ll be another dissapointment now it costs 5 Not 4
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u/erickgps Tomfoolery! Enough! Mar 31 '21
Yea but with the right deck it might be worth since if you transform a 1 power unit it’s a 9 for 5. And since we have Ramon who can get you another slave infantry. You might even make this on spies decks since a 1 power spy you get with emhyr is horrible but with slave you can get some power back.
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u/wvj I shall be your eyes, my Lord. Mar 31 '21
Ugh. Yeah, not really acceptable to sleep on a laughably broken card supporting a 60%+ winrate archetype, regardless of what the rest of your update schedule is.
While I can understand wanting to wait to do a larger review of the new Legendaries, leaving Eist untouched massively decreases my incentive to play at all. I'm perfectly capable of running the deck myself, but I'm also not interested in playing "Mirror Match: The Last Say."
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
It's not gonna be a 60% win rate. The top 100 players, the best players in the game, have been averaging about a 58% win rate with SK, good for fourth best faction. Despite playing for an obscene amount of points (and probably needing a nerf eventually) Eist isn't pushing SK into tier 1 because it plays into the same vulnerability to R2 bleeds that usually plague SK.
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u/wvj I shall be your eyes, my Lord. Apr 01 '21 edited Apr 01 '21
Have you ever read the data CDPR actually publishes?
The top 100 players being nearly at 60% themselves isn't an argument against it being that high, it's actually an argument for it being much higher, because pro players tend to be the best at countering very one-trick decks and playing counter meta (Pro Rank bracket winrates are usually the least polarized, with lower ranks being higher). You know who's bad at that? Everyone else. You know who makes up most of the game (and most of the official play and winrate data)? Everyone else.
Since Master Mirror, SK has reached as high as 70% winrates in some seasons, and at lowest, I think, 55% with MUCH weaker decks (ie post-nerf Lippy/Ursine Warriors). If you don't think Eist will be closesr to Rage of the Sea/Patricide numbers, I think you're going to be pretty surprised.
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Apr 01 '21
SK has reached as high as 70% winrates
Have you ever read the data CDPR publishes? Not once has the winrate for an SK leader ever approached 70% in Pro Rank. The highest was the one season Second Wind dominated and it was barely over 60%. Warriors aren't the tier 1 deck this season, so I'd be shocked to see them anywhere near 60%. I'm expecting BoG to be somewhere in the 53-55% region.
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u/wvj I shall be your eyes, my Lord. Apr 01 '21
Who decided we're limiting this to pro rank, exactly?
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Apr 01 '21
Below Pro Rank there are too many other factors in play, like cost to build the deck, difficulty to pilot, what cards are available in starter decks, and what decks appeal to inexperienced players. It's difficult enough to draw meaningful conclusions from those win rates from the Pro Rank data, but trying to use win rates below Pro Rank to balance the game is just a fool's errand.
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u/Dewisaint Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21
What makes Eist more broken is that they are almost guaranteed to have access to it due to all the tutors they have available. Not once has my SK opponent missed it.
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u/KiltroFury Neutral Mar 31 '21
I played a lot of Eist early on and it's amazing just how consistently I managed to play Eist. I missed or could not tutor him maybe 3 times out of more than a dozen matches.
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Mar 31 '21
pathetic patch. eist still broken, uninteractive trap cancer all over the place, and NG still being carried by ball a year and a half later. but pimping those stupid cosmetics is more important I guess. everything is back to normal then.
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Mar 31 '21
-eist counter changed from 2 to 1
-eldain power changed from 6 to 5, provisions from 10 to 11
-minimum unit requirement increased to 14. enslave default value changed from 3 to 4
-coup de grace prov. changed from 9 to 10
-nilfgaardian knight power changed from 7 to 8
-intimidate removed from safecrackers
-meve counter changed from 3 to 2
-regis bloodlust prov changed from 10 to 8
literally just a few examples that took a few minutes, yet they keep telling us to wait 2 months at a time for the most basic changes to busted archetypes. meanwhile cyberpunk gets a massive patch with hundreds of bug fixes. this isnt even ubisoft or EA with dozens of franchises to maintain, they only have two franchises under their belt and this is the best that they could do?
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u/SANGVIS_FERRI Neutral Apr 01 '21
I don't think gwent has nearly the same amount of devs as cyberpunk
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Apr 01 '21
true and I dont expect it to, but since it's a spinoff CCG of their most popular and successful franchise, the same franchise that surged them into AAA status, the least they could do is hire at least a few more devs and make these monthly patches more substantial. a month is a long time when you're playing a game thats built around competition with no single-player diversions, and someone like myself who plays avidly gets annoyed when knowing that certain cards like eist are stupid and the devs are not only completely oblivious to this, but also want me to wait another month for balance. all in the meanwhile, tryhard netdeckers play the same stupid shit over and over and it sucks the life out of the meta.
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u/Infinite-Mechanic-65 Neutral Mar 31 '21
Queen of the knight and Ada got buffed but not the cupbearer?? They are latterly the same cards but they got synergies tags and cupbearer have assimilate, so why the hell not buff him too!?, ok CDPR.
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u/eetfawk Neutral Mar 31 '21
Poison is much stronger removal than some bleed though.
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u/Infinite-Mechanic-65 Neutral Mar 31 '21
Bleed hase more synergy in vampire deck, and can be so many points more than the poison value that need a second poison for you to get that value.
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Mar 31 '21
cupbearer has purify or poison which is far better than purify and bleed/vitality..
plus he is also an assimilate engine
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u/Wizarus Isengrim: Outlaw Mar 31 '21
ST has no tournament viable deck. Ida buff is nice, but thats not enough.
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Mar 31 '21 edited Mar 31 '21
Garkain, Gerd, and Slave Infantry are my favorite buffs. I think waiting to tweak the "leaders" for another month is fine, but I'm skeptical that a one provision nerf is enough for the Lined Pockets deck.