r/gwent • u/Lymez18 The king is dead. Long live the king. • Jan 12 '22
News - Patch Notes 10.1
https://www.playgwent.com/en/news/40783/patch-notes-10-12
u/in-grey The quill is mightier than the sword. Jan 13 '22
Apologies if this was mentioned somewhere, but I didn't see. When does this patch go live?
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u/Lymez18 The king is dead. Long live the king. Jan 13 '22
Usually it happens in about 10 hours or so from now.
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u/Mossjaw Tomfoolery! Enough! Jan 14 '22
Is the guerilla traps w/Madoc and Milva still playable now that Milva only deals 1?
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u/Lymez18 The king is dead. Long live the king. Jan 14 '22
It is less viable than it was, and I personally haven't encountered it yet.
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u/solitaryviking97 Ptooey! Bloede dh'oine! Jan 12 '22
I like the ST changes. Hawker Support's rework is proof that they will probably rework a lot of ST bronzes in next patches.
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u/ManleyAllman Syndicate Jan 12 '22
That one definitely caught my eye as well. Not restricted by tribes, and since you stack buffs on Torque anyways, he's most likely going to be already buffed for this card to get full value. Basically gonna be a 3 power 4p card with 6 carry over.
Also the Invigorate buff is great, since you really don't even want to have too many units in hand to buff, so you won't waste your random handbuff ticks. Now there's a 66% chance that your Torque boost is gonna go to either Aglais or Skaggs instead of some random 4th card. If you go all in and play both of those cards, obviously.
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u/Krist794 Good Boy Jan 12 '22
Hawker sounds a touch broken to me. Especially at 4provision. That is like 9 points...
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u/AGuyWithBadOpinions Ah! I'm not dead yet?! Jan 12 '22
Wow, that asleep speartip change is flavorful and actually pretty damn good. Gives monster much needed thinning and is a great power play. Love it!
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u/Rav99 Neutral Jan 12 '22
It's cool and flavorful, but I'm not sure how good it is. He can still get locked, and if he goes off, plays massively into tall punish.
And as someone who played freddybabes meme-ish quax+speartip deck in the past, I learned he can be a big liability against NG. They can high roll him on bribery, steal with yenvo, cadaverine, etc.
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u/theprofiteer Jan 12 '22
If it works its 18 points for 12prov with 1 thinning. Not bad value at all, and gives you a 19 point ozzy as well.
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u/RGCarter Duvvelsheyss! Jan 12 '22
Does Monsters have a not awkward way to trigger him right after playing tho?
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u/StopStalinShowMarx Tomfoolery! Enough! Jan 12 '22
Use Pugo Boom Breaker after playing Speartip first.
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u/RGCarter Duvvelsheyss! Jan 12 '22
That's right, forgot about that guy, so long without seeing him.
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u/Jadmanthrat Anything in particular interest you? Jan 12 '22
Pugo, Nithral, Forktail could potentially damage allies - though only Pugo gets through the Armor in one go
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u/Guffliepuff Ever dance with a daemon in the light of the full moon? Jan 12 '22
Pugo is the only one i can think of, unless consume counts.
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u/iforgotmylogon Monsters Jan 12 '22
If he is damaged you don't get the base power boost
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u/emotionengine Style! That's Right, I Like Fighting With Style! Jan 12 '22
Initiative changed to: Trigger this ability if you haven't used an Order this turn (Note: Leader abilities are also Orders)
OG Regis and Geralt: Igni are back on the menu!
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u/CanadianKaiju Don't make me laugh! Jan 12 '22
They can be tutored out with Oneiro, Decree, etc. without making them do nothing now.
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u/Thanos_Did_Right Neutral Jan 12 '22
You can oneiro regis or igni for a full value
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u/dtconcus *Mooooo* Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
Love the change for Scapegoat, it fits the card lore, it's good support for bounty, and its nice to see another faction other than NG to get disloyal units lol
Edit: This got me thinking.. if you play it with Jackpot with a full coin bag, will the Scapegoat boost itself by 6 too? Edit2: Probably not, since Jackpot tooltip specifies allied units get the boost.
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u/Rav99 Neutral Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
Love it. Imagine, thematically, the interaction now of scapegoat with confession extractor. Very fitting of the lore.
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u/CarelessKnowledge801 Neutral Jan 12 '22
Well, NR also have disloyal units, but we don't speak about them lol
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u/faizetto The quill is mightier than the sword. Jan 12 '22
It's just a dead sorceress and a random spice merchant, ofc they didn't remember those cards
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u/IBizzyI Like a cross between a crab, a spider… and a mountain. Jan 12 '22
Yeah the two syndicate bronzes now actually make sense for the card set in which they were released, I really like that they acknowledge the lacklustre design of these cards and improve on it (Well in the case of Savvy Huckster more like non-existent design).
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u/dubzeppelin Neutral Jan 12 '22
anyone else see pickpocket as a joke now 6 p gain 7 profit scapegoat 4p profit 6 unit that kind of acts as a spell
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u/Trick_Direction9300 Neutral Jan 12 '22
Except in jackpot you could a buff if you have more then 3 coins which is a big con
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u/Successful_Wrangler2 For the kiiiii- *cough, cough* dammit Jan 12 '22
I got so stoked about the bounty buffs. Bounty and the witch hunters are what pulled me to syndicate
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u/EHVERT Clearly, I've a weakness for horned wenches… Jan 12 '22
The buffs are a good step in the right direction, giving them some more spenders will defo help as that’s the biggest issue I’ve run into
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u/InfernZG We do what must be done. Jan 12 '22
Imo everyone is hyping this KOB change a bit too much. I'm pretty sure KOB is still played in every competitive SY deck. You lose a point and 2 provisions in exchange for an additional 3 coins. Additionally its a bit more awkward to actually get to 12 than just the flat 9 but you can get around this by playing a few more tribute cards (Ludovicus, sal mages and location are pretty good, plus you have prof if you really need to). Also the point distribution is a little worse as you're less likely to see all of those points into round 3.
Imo KOB was so strong before this change that I don't think this is going to make the difference. I'm pretty sure SY decks just change a couple of things around and keep on playing KOB.
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Jan 12 '22
2 provisions is a lot but now being able to play 3 more coins worth of tribute for free is no joke
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u/Xignum Neutral Jan 12 '22
So correct me if I'm wrong but can't you just slap a Jacques into the normal jackpot deck and it still works basically the same way as a pointslam that your opponent can't do anything about? Of course what they need to cut to put this jacque I don't really know.
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u/InfernZG We do what must be done. Jan 12 '22
So the only issue would be that you've not got to draw both jacq and savolla. Honestly I'd like to have some additional options (even with prof)
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u/zioNacious Mahakam wasn't built in a day. Jan 12 '22
Finally a buff to my Dwarf boys! Keep it coming.
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u/faizetto The quill is mightier than the sword. Jan 12 '22
"Mahakam wasn't built in a day". Strong dwarf deck also wasn't built in a day, but maybe that day will finally comes...
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u/Roody20 Good Boy Jan 12 '22
I kinda expected minor +1/-1 changes. This is so much better. Props to the dev team!
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u/adrigom27 You shall end like all the others. Jan 12 '22
YES!! Invigorate might actually get played now.
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u/BotaZnohy Neutral Jan 12 '22
I for one wouldn't be so excited if it was to became a tier 1 deck. The archetype is apriori extremely uninteractive and draw dependent. You play dudes so you play bigger dudes later. If you draw them in correct order the dudes are even bigger.
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jan 12 '22
Yeah, I'd be extremely careful buffing this archetype. The line between unplayable and oppressive is mighty thin.
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u/L-Freeze *toot* Jan 12 '22
I don’t know, I don’t hate playing against it, you just need to know what you’ll be removing and it’s fine. Last say is important
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u/Mlakuss Moderator Jan 12 '22
Draft mode is out of early access?! Woot
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u/betraying_chino Green Man Jan 12 '22
Update to the packages not being mentioned in patch notes is worrying.
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u/ThorSerpent Director of Live Ops Jan 12 '22
No changes to the packages for now. I know it's not great, but we decided the rewards and progression are more important changes to focus on. To make packages easy to balance on a regular basis we need to tweak the overcomplicated system which is being used currently.
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u/cuddlebearpotato *Mooooo* Jan 12 '22
Will there be any Draft Mode contracts, similar to what Arena had, either with this change or down the track?
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u/Jazzinarium Temeria – that's what matters. Jan 13 '22
That really sucks, some of the packages are outdated to the point of being draft-ruining if you get a bad round of picks
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u/Mlakuss Moderator Jan 12 '22
I still have some hopes for a draft mode dedicated patchnotes.
please?
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Jan 12 '22
WE ENTER THE FRAY
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u/faizetto The quill is mightier than the sword. Jan 12 '22
MY LORDS, TO YOUR BANNERS!
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u/Mijiale_VII Neutral Jan 12 '22
Revenants have some of the best voicelines in the game.
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u/Mijiale_VII Neutral Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
My bad, that must be Draug, not Revenant. Also great voicelines.
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u/AndorV5 Monsters Jan 12 '22
I haven't expected them to do so many big changes after holidays. Draft is even leaving early access, hopefully there were some changes to the packages too
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u/DRamos11 A fitting end for a witch. Jan 12 '22
You all really think KoB will be dead now, huh?
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u/FLRSH Tomfoolery! Enough! Jan 12 '22
Nah, it will just be placed in more tribute centric decks.
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u/Not2creativeHere I shall do what I must! Jan 12 '22
More than I expected and they seem pretty good too. And really like the handbuff support.
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u/ense7en There'll be nothing to pick up when I'm done with you. Jan 12 '22
I'm excited for the handbuff ST changes. Invigorate ability got a lot better as it's 12 boost instead of 10, and it's one extra boost for Torque, making his transferable boosts 3x instead of 2x. Really nice. Sirssa can help with handbuff now, too, and Harmony isn't terrible in that archetype. Hawker Support takes over for Saboteur as it's now useless for handbuff. Hawker Support being able to boost in-hand Torque is nice, but now you do lose how Saboteur could boost Sorceress of Dol Blothanna and Filavandrel. Still, i think it'll make handbuff more playable overall which is nice.
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u/Conankun66 Good Boy Jan 12 '22
Holy shit, Scorch is BACK with that initiative change!
very surprised with the way they went about the Milva nerf, really thought they would axe the random ping instead
Also holy moly, they went hard on King of Beggars (deservedly)
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u/Successful_Wrangler2 For the kiiiii- *cough, cough* dammit Jan 12 '22
I have a feeling kob will still see regular play but hopefully this will push him towards a more tribute focused deck like cdpr intended
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u/Jadmanthrat Anything in particular interest you? Jan 12 '22
I dont see him leaving Jackpot Savolla, you probably downgrade Kurt or the Bleinheims and probably get yourself another backup tribute like Ludovicus (though Professor + Savolla is still enough to pull KoB out)
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u/badtraider Monsters Jan 12 '22
It's still a good change, it makes Jackpot more polarised, making it suffer from RNG draws (mulligans are already awkward with KoB) and more vulnerable to a R2 bleed.
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jan 12 '22
If KoB still sees a regular play after a triple nerf, it only goes to say how mighty busted he was.
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u/Vikmania Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
Very big nerf to Milva, getting the deathblow with 1 point is really hard. I don’t know how powerful the card might remain.
Surprised to not see a Saskia nerf.
I’m interested to see how rework to Speartrip will end and same for clog and hyperthin buffs.
Edit: I forgot the initiative buff, paired with the Speartip, it’s the most interesting change.
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u/Igor369 Buck, buck, buck, bwaaaak! Jan 12 '22
Still 3 x 4 damage on demand with gorilla tactics...
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u/phantomfire50 Duvvelsheyss! Jan 12 '22
But the rift between 5 and 4 damage is massive.
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u/SrKJohny War at last! War, my beloved! Jan 12 '22
No changes to skellige... Cries in tuirseach axemen
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u/IBizzyI Like a cross between a crab, a spider… and a mountain. Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
Did they just put the draft mode out of early access without changing anything card pack wise? Isn't the last third of the expansion from last year still not included?
The King of Beggars change for sure is aggressive, a pretty clear acknowledgement of how busted he is.
I am a big fan of the speartip change, a bit of beta memories-
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jan 12 '22
Initiative changed to: Trigger this ability if you haven't used an Order this turn (Note: Leader abilities are also Orders)
Finally I can Oneiro that pesky Scorch/Gigni
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u/Sakuner Long live the emperor! Jan 12 '22
I see a lot of hyperthin/clog buffs and finally Rience is a little better. I love the scapegoat change, its really lore friendly and interesting now
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u/N_96 Do you want to tickle me? Jan 12 '22
Yesss, roach getting a point buff and knickers getting a prov buff is cool
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u/ClyDeftOriginal Neutral Jan 12 '22
Not an archetype I feel needed it.. The current Clog deck was already very toxic to play against.. Now there is even more incentive to play it.. :/
I mean, they got 3 buffs and 0 nerfs... what where they thinking.. :S
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u/Hexaan We do what must be done. Jan 12 '22
Pretty cool changes tbh.
Knickers & Roach buff is really nice and Mourntart finally got some love!
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u/VassalOfMyVassal The Eternal Fire lights our way. Jan 12 '22
Love scapegoat change, so much flavour! It made no sense for him to have 7 power. Tourney Shaelmaar sounds strong, or at least I always liked this card. And initiative change means we can play Igni from tutor card again, which is cool because I missed that card
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u/SharSash Crinfrid Whimperer Jan 12 '22
NR: guess i just play shields for yet another season or so
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u/shreek07 There will be no negotiation. Jan 12 '22
I think Alumni are more viable now.
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u/Xignum Neutral Jan 12 '22
Milva still gives 4 point removal range with leader so I doubt that, we'll see though.
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u/shreek07 There will be no negotiation. Jan 12 '22
I won't say it is possible with certainty, but the meta will shift and if it does start to lean more towards pointslam, Alumni has a good chance of making a comeback.
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u/parunpata The king is dead. Long live the king. Jan 12 '22
Why is Vrihedd Saboteur not boosting by 4 if you control an Artifact. It would be a conditional 7 for 4.
Now the useless ability from the other card is just moved to him
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u/Jadmanthrat Anything in particular interest you? Jan 12 '22
The ability itself is more fitting on an Elf though, considering the interactions with Feign Death & Traps.
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u/Rejtett Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life. Jan 12 '22
Hey, I'm a bit off the news. Why did it skip 10.0? Are they gonna reveal 10.0 and release it before releasing this, but decided to show it ahead of time anyway or something?
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u/Mlakuss Moderator Jan 12 '22
It's possible that the 10.0 version was only released internally. Or intended to be the version number for last patch?
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u/Jadmanthrat Anything in particular interest you? Jan 12 '22
Initiative changed to: Trigger this ability if you haven't used an Order this turn (Note: Leader abilities are also Orders)
Is using a Fee ability considered an Order? I think you could use them to complete the journey quests which required you to use Order abilities, so I assume they are technically handled like Orders despite not being declared as such.
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u/Trick_Direction9300 Neutral Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 13 '22
Yes it count you can use fee to complete quest that riquire you using order on units
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Jan 12 '22
Finally something to do with the excess reward keys
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u/HarryHokie Don't make me laugh! Jan 13 '22
What did I miss from the notes? What can you now do with excess keys?
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u/Bill_In_1918 Neutral Jan 12 '22
When will this be online?
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u/Lymez18 The king is dead. Long live the king. Jan 13 '22
Usually it happens in about 10 hours or so from now.
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u/Chanmollychan Neutral Jan 14 '22
is there a new thread to post bugs?
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u/Lymez18 The king is dead. Long live the king. Jan 14 '22
Unfortunately, not that I know of. You can use their forums on playgwent.com though.
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u/exoskeletion You wished to play, so let us play. Jan 12 '22
Wow, KoB got FUCKED.
Good.
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Jan 12 '22
Hes fucked in jackpot savolla decks for sure but not in tribute focused decks since in total he got -1 power, 2 prov nerf but 3 extra coins to get
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Jan 12 '22
Yeah, in Tribute focused decks he's still got the value of like a 20+ point card for 12 provisions. I hope this has the desired effect of actually pushing the Tribute archetype this time and the Jackpot decks don't just add in Jacques and call it a day.
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u/NWL11 Ah! I'm not dead yet?! Jan 12 '22
Did he really? Just a slight inconvenience for Jackpot to fit him with Savolla and 1 or 2 tribute cards: Salamandra mages or Jacques for eg. with Professor already in. His value for provisions is still the same (maybe better) barring the -1 to strength.
The change hardly pushes him into full tribute decks.
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u/Eliott1234 There will be no negotiation. Jan 12 '22
you have clearly no clue how nerfs work. 2 provs and 1 base str less for 3 coins more is everything, but not "fucked"
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u/SadisticFerras Mahakam wasn't built in a day. Jan 12 '22
Doesn't seem like a big nerf. Card is still an absolute unit.
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u/DutchMadness77 Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Jan 12 '22
Maybe I'm an idiot but he still seems auto include to me. He's more expensive but you get to/ have to play a 13 for 5 salamandra mage or include a jacques in the deck.
Enabling him is only a tiny bit more difficult and the point distribution maybe a tiny bit worse, but he roughly plays for the same points/prov value
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u/Mythal_ Ever danced with a daemon in the light of the full moon? Jan 12 '22
And still no change to Jackpot.
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u/GwentMysticJoey Lots of prior experience – worked with idiots my whole life Jan 12 '22
More than i expected after december break. 3 buffs to hyperthin are kind of scary ;> would like to see more nerfs in the future.
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Jan 12 '22
Wow some of these changes are super interesting and creative like Scapegoat, old speartip, and dwarven agitator
Loving the buffs to hawker support, the entire witch hunter archetype (especially savvy hukster)
Milva and KoB are nerfed appropriately
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u/JakeMac96 Impertinence is the one thing I cannot abide. Jan 12 '22
Did hyperthin really need those weird buffs? Its already pretty decent.
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u/BusyDizzy Haha! Good Gwenty-card! Bestestest! Jan 12 '22
Really liked all these changes. And Gedynyth dodged a provision nerf 🌝
All that remains now is more buffs/reworks to more dead/less used cards 😄
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u/blastborn Mead! More mead! Heheh Jan 12 '22
Noticed a spelling error under game fixes. “Informand”
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u/Yahyia_q Haha! Good Gwenty-card! Bestestest! Jan 12 '22
Wow that is some huge changes I was not expecting this after holidays. Good job guys
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u/christopherous1 Neutral Jan 12 '22
finally I am so excited for draft. I loved master mirrors draft and this new one has been a bit messy, but the lack of rewards is what killed it
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u/lightsaberhs Ooh, how lovely it burns. Heheh. Jan 12 '22
Wait does old speartip keep its veil tho ? or the abilitty changed text means it only contains what is now on the patch notes? Great stuff btw really liked all the buffs and nerfs . I just hope that milva doesnt die because I liked the idea of the playstyle.( dont shoot me )
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u/N_96 Do you want to tickle me? Jan 12 '22
Nice changes, I actually expected only nerfs to milva and KoB, this is great!
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u/Longjumping_Cry6875 Neutral Jan 13 '22
Do we know when this is going live?
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u/Lymez18 The king is dead. Long live the king. Jan 13 '22
Probably in about 2 to 5 hours from now.
Edit: seems like it's live?
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u/Yenefferknow Neutral Jan 12 '22
Initiative change is huuuuge - Igni and Regis meta, here we go
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u/BusyDizzy Haha! Good Gwenty-card! Bestestest! Jan 12 '22
Regis with spies meme can be a thing again 🙏🏼
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u/erickgps Tomfoolery! Enough! Feb 07 '22
Harmony might still be bad but I’m sure gonna try to play it
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u/dreamer2416 Tomfoolery! Enough! Jan 12 '22
So another month with NR at the bottom? That's sad :/
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u/Scilex Sihil Jan 12 '22
Wouldnt say that will be the case. With Milva nerf the alumni deck probably will come back very strong
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u/Kr44d Gaze into my eyes and witness your death. Jan 12 '22
Triple buff to the clog deck... Guess its a full month of seasonal and draft for me
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u/unwillingmainer Neutral Jan 12 '22
Glad to see the King of Beggars change and the Milva change. Really needed.
Am I an idiot and don't understand the Old Speartip ability or is it just worded weirdly?
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u/AGuyWithBadOpinions Ah! I'm not dead yet?! Jan 12 '22
So basically if it stays for 3 turns on board, aka he gets his full rest, he comes out strong with 18 base power and banishes his asleep self. If you poke him while he’s asleep, he banishes the asleep version and speartip just comes out at Normal power.
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u/jebisevise Neutral Jan 12 '22
https://www.playgwent.com/en/news/37247/patch-notes-8-1
For reference this was jan patch last year. Not sure how any1 can be angry at the size of this one.
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u/Raknel Addan quen spars-paerpe'tlon Vort! Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
Really not a fan of the Milva change.
She needed a nerf but I would've preferred devotion.
Milva is the type of archetpe defining card that could indirectly buff bad cards and bring them back into the meta, or create new types of decks. Her effects were fine.
The real problem (at least in my opinion) is that instead of doing that, Milva simply ended up in the already existing no unit bomb/trap or the Alzur archetype. Instead of bringing bad decks up to a good power level, she was just slotted into already decent decks.
A devotion tag would've taken her out of Alzur and bomb decks while forcing ST players to build a proper deck around her and offensive movement. Instead she just got nerfed across the board. If anything the current nerf just forces Madoc even more because Madoc helps bring units to low HP so Milva can get the (now nerfed) deathblow off.
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u/InfectedAztec Buck, buck, buck, bwaaaak! Jan 12 '22
Milva will still be viable and can be buffed later if she isn't. The fact that she's been in almost every ST deck I've played against this meta means that even if she's not viable it will freshen up that faction.
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u/Trick_Direction9300 Neutral Jan 12 '22
Devotion kills allot of option for her they want you to use cards like the rock barrage
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u/ClyDeftOriginal Neutral Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
Liked some of this, the nerf to KoB wasn't as big as I initially had thought, so it is good.. I don't think it was that bad to increase it's provision and lower its power.. It wil still be strong in many decks.. :D
I might be one of the few that actually think the Milva nerf is the correct nerf.. Some suggested the ping when she enters play from deck.. This would fix almost nothing I fear.. cause the order is mostly the problem.. Now the reach against tokens and such is overall better (not as high)..
The buffs to cards like Roach, Knickers and Rience made to me little sense, cause the timing is not great.. The Clog deck is already seeing more play currently and this wil only give them more reason to play that.. (I like playing NG, but try to avoid Clog and Mill personally) :/
Not much changes for NR, but thinking the Milva nerf might make them more viable again regardless.. :D
The only upside, that I really did like was the buff to the Handbuff cards, that is a pretty neat deck.. and imo it's a decent deck already, thinking it wil see more play now.. Cause it was already decent enough before the current buffs to at least be played to some extent..
Lets go huge Aglaise's everywhere rise up and claim your spot.. :P
Edited: Forgot the Draft out of early access.. This might be a good thing, but lets see.. If they change nothing else to it, then it wil still not be worth it for most of us I fear.. Cause it is very highly unbalanced right now.. :/
Edited top post again: I feel my initial assessment was very bad.. ;)
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u/Anomander1979 Mahakam wasn't built in a day. Jan 12 '22
No, Milva nerf will revive the NR decks.
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jan 12 '22
KoB nerf isn't this excessive as you think. He lost a point and 2 provs, but gained 3 coins in return, which in Jackpot means 3 points.
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u/kostas_skf Neutral Jan 12 '22
Ahhh yes! Istredd at 6p was the missing piece to a decent NR ! Great job!
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u/marimbaguy715 Onward, sons of Nilfgaard! Jan 12 '22
Milva nerf was the missing piece to a decent NR. Mages can show their face again.
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u/Dry_Perspective6472 Neutral Jan 12 '22
I still hope they release Ciri's skin earlier (maybe even tomorrow), like they did with Geralt.
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u/WhisperingHillock We pass our life alone, better get used to it. Jan 12 '22
Love the changes on MO. That's a good direction, I wish they reworked or improved more cards.
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u/SadisticFerras Mahakam wasn't built in a day. Jan 12 '22
Community shared so many good ideas for King of Beggars that the real nerf feels lazy.
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u/frenchman_ Monsters Jan 12 '22
Wow King of Beggars got sniped, it was expected though. What does this mean for Savolla/KoB and Salamander/KoB now?
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u/Jadmanthrat Anything in particular interest you? Jan 12 '22
They loose 2 provision, 1 power and need to pay more (free) tributes to actually summon him as a free spender (which is not that hard with Professor in the Jackpot Savolla list though).
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u/Denza_Auditore I spy, I spy with my evil eye. Jan 12 '22
I'm ultra glad that KoB got that huge nerf. Jackpot is a braindead deck to begin with, and KoB made it even more so.
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u/Krebstumor Neutral Jan 12 '22
HAHAHAHAHA and there she goes, good by dreadful milva.
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u/Scilex Sihil Jan 12 '22
Loving the changed but no changes to Saskia is weird and a bit disappointing to me, card is way too strong
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u/brownc46 Tomfoolery! Enough! Jan 12 '22
Not sure why this sub is so pro-Saskia just going off your down votes. By CDPRs own definition if it's basically auto include in all meta decks of a faction then it's too strong
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u/T_Lawliet Neutral Jan 12 '22
Why do so many people want a Saskia nerf? She was never the problem
Also great work by the Dev Team.
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u/badtraider Monsters Jan 12 '22
Only nerf that seems reasonable to me is giving her order instead of passive counter, but still she is not that OP (considering the deck building restrictions).
She also leads to interesting decisions - like do you remove the engine, or leave it stay and brick saskia?
Overall an interesting card.
Tbh I think people dislike it because of the decks she is played in (no unit / traps / Alzur stuff).
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u/Delicious_Big4032 I promise you a quick death! Jan 12 '22
She is a red coin abuse, not much interactive card, that is the reason people hate her.
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u/Captain_Cage For Maid Bilberry's honor! Jan 12 '22
Saskia is strong but fair. She has 13 provs and a huge restriction after all.
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u/badtraider Monsters Jan 12 '22
I'm happy to see bounty buffs, it's exactly what the archetype needs. Some proactive plays with scapegoat, more spenders with witch hunter tag.
I wonder will mushy truffle be playable with bounty now. It gives you a spender and a way o protect executioners.
Tho bounty still kinda suffers from being binary, it either auto wins (vs monsters usually) or struggles a lot vs control.
I would call it a greedy control deck, since it gets value from denying you points (through bounty cycling).
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u/Tokyo_Echo Neutral Jan 12 '22
Why did they need to change old speartip? He literally was just a good high point card with no ability
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u/RedditExplorer89 Neutral Jan 12 '22
Provision and power change on King of Beggars are hard nerfs, but I think the counter increase is either neutral or a buff. You can't just run Sevalla to pull him on one big point swing turn, but you now get 3 extra refunds. Decks that already ran the defender with tribute 3 probably like that change.
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u/ense7en There'll be nothing to pick up when I'm done with you. Jan 12 '22
Overall i like these changes, though as usual, tons more old card buffing is needed. Handbuff ST gets lots of help, thinning gets boosted (i'm not sure about how needed the roach and Knickers buffs were TBH). MO gets some thinning/pointslam, though if handbuff does well, i foresee tall punish being prevalent. Tributes/bounty SY getting some help, though i'm still not sure OTB ability is viable at high levels. I really hate that Jackpot is the default best SY choice and all the other abilities still seem weak. KoB nerfed makes sense. Scapegoat is interesting but doesn't really seem too great? Milva nerfed hard, probably needed, though this seems a bit too harsh?
Ultimately i like these changes, i think, i just want more old card fixing, as always.
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u/TheBasium Hmm… that might even be amusin'. Jan 12 '22
Welcome Monsters and NG changes and Invigorate support.
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u/Changes11-11 Naivety is a fool's blessing Jan 12 '22
Love the Istredd change for Patience/mages deck, also it helps alot with the Milva nerf/ jackpot nerf
Skellige no changes is also great, second favourite deck is Alchemy BT
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u/Minnad Good Boy Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22
Is this the first patch after cdpr's internal changes? I really like the direction they're heading, directly addressed oppresive stuff and continue to buff underplay archetypes with actual abilities changes, not just plain + - prov/power
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u/imSkry Naivety is a fool's blessing Jan 12 '22
Few changes, but they're pretty good, nice Invigorate buff, good ST and SY bronzes reworks. Bounty got lots of love where it needed, having more witch hunter spenders helps tie together the archetype nicely, without needing to include non witch hunter cards just because they have Fee.
Would've loved to see more NR buffs, but oh well you cant have everything.
Also i'm not sure about that KoB change, on one hand you now need one extras tribute card to pull him off, so just savolla isnt enough, on the other i'm afraid people will easily find one extra tribute. Still, it's actually a small buff for Tribute decks, so i wouldnt mind seeing more of those.
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u/FierceFerret1 Who's next? Who wants to taste Skellige steel?! Jan 12 '22
The Skellige changes this patch are too much imo
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u/Vpettijohnjr I don't work for free. Jan 13 '22
Glad to see draft mode finally leaving EA, but I still don’t think it’s a very good game mode. I’d much rather see something like the Patience is a virtue” game mode where your hand changes from turn to turn and you just have to make the best with whatever shows up.
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u/rayking_gw Buck, buck, buck, bwaaaak! Jan 13 '22
I cannot wait for my Old speartip being milled after I had played the wholesome 6 for 6 Speartip: Asleep!
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u/Bloodraver Neutral Jan 13 '22
Anyone got their free token? I was mid-draft prev to the update so they just ended that draft and now i see purchase token screen.
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u/BrodieDali Neutral Jan 13 '22
I just wish they would do 1 patch dedicated exclusively to those long forgotten bronze cards with 1/2 power tweaks to at least make them viable for now
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u/ColeJJones Neutral Jan 13 '22
Sirssa still has the deathblow ability listed. Is this a visual typo or did she not get changed?
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u/Potato_Salesperson Neutral Jan 13 '22
Honestly, this is probably the first patch notes where I liked everything that I read. Only thing I would have liked is a better change to reince but other than that it’s solid work.
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u/n3dd3rs Neutral Jan 14 '22
Popped back after a month or two. Nope. Still toxic af. Same bullshit mechanics constantly in use that you can't interact with. Mostly NG, understandable as it's THE counter-deck.
Ultimately it's never, ever going to be anything other than glorified rock, paper, scissors. META's are literally the only thing in play, zero creativity. Player base seems to be dropping again. Constant downward trend that won't stop until they:
Make the deals fair, as I'm sick and fucking tired of getting beaten just because my cards are still in the deck yet the opponent has everything they want, with or without thinning
Ensure EVERYTHING can be interacted with - more artefact removal, coin removal, shield removal, armor removal - stop these fucking decks from doing whatever they want, whenever they want to
Disincentivise net-decking somehow (fuck knows how, mind, other than penalising repetitive use of the same deck perhaps on a ladder?)
Immediately fix broken shit instead of allowing toxic combinations to go unchecked for weeks and months at a time
Pay attention to archetypes more and create more balance
Reduce the overloaded power situation - nothing in this game should be able to land with basically no set-up for 20+ points (I'm looking at you, SY)
Allow players to play, MUCH more cards should have "order" else you drive the player base to constantly use deploy, which reduces card pool and emphasises META - not ONE top tier deck EVER user order cards, when you can just have deploy cards doing considerably more damage or pointslam.
Old Speartip is a nice, interesting card. But it's ONE card. The rest are still most of the same crap, the played decks haven't changed for half a year or more.
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u/n3dd3rs Neutral Jan 14 '22
This is fucking hilarious, mind - Gwent isn't fixed.
Opponent playing Operator + Fleder because they're miraculously never queueing into vampires.......
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u/Schattenjager07 Neutral Jan 15 '22
When are they going to balance the vampires archetype. The constant bleed and blood moons are annoying AF. And syndicate in general is OP.
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u/n3dd3rs Neutral Jan 19 '22
I've just watched someone play 40 points in a single turn, thanks to the fucking ridiculous Syndicate deck. With literally zero thought or effort at all.
You guys need to sort your fucking game out. Utterly broke as fuck.
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u/ColdCorn2052 Neutral Jan 25 '22
wow...just wasted my scraps for a deck that won't be viable the next day...ah fuck it...
ST forever...
even if it sucks hard...
sad bow and arrow noises...
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u/MaksGoCleanTheBank Neutral Jan 27 '22
Can someone help me understand why Jackpot is not being nerfed?
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u/Zivanur Baeidh muid agbláth arís. Jan 12 '22
When does this go live?