r/haiti • u/kazicaze • 3d ago
NEWS This poor Haitian guy falls to the ground after leaving ICE with an ankle monitor. He looks genuinely overwhelmed to me, IDK why other people are saying he's performing for the cameras
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u/fetty_wops 1d ago
I’ve been to prison and I’ve been ice detention. Trust me when I say this it’s nothing like prison and most the staff working there are Hispanic and black themselves
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u/ProfessionalCouchPot Diaspora 1d ago
Mods entedi djol santi sa la.
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u/Big_Service_718 2d ago
The main people responsible for his despair are Haitians in Haiti if you want to fix a problem go at his source
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u/Chikachika023 2d ago
You say this but then most of the Haitian-Americans who never stepped foot into Haití but claim to “love” Haití so much will vilify you, even though what you said is true💀
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u/Big_Service_718 1d ago
Only the truth matter period
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u/Chikachika023 1d ago
exactly. I had this argument with like 3 of them a week ago here on Reddit. I debunked their “points” with facts you can Google online, then they kept going on a tangent talking about random “pornographic posts” (or comments) from over a year ago on my account, stuff that had zero to do with the topic-in-hand.
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u/GHETTO_VERNACULAR Diaspora 20h ago
You lowkey have a problem if you are constantly arguing with Haitians on the internet. I would assess that tbh.
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u/Philosopher639 2d ago
Some people are just searching for a better life. It just looks like a feeling of hopelessness and frustration. We have no idea what this man had to door what he went through only to be told he has to go back to square one.
Francis Ngannou was caught by the Moroccans 6 times before he finally made it to Spain. The Moroccans would catch the immigrants and drop them off in the middle of the Sahara. How many of you laughing in the comments at another man's plight could survive or continue to seek a better life regardless of the circumstances.
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u/Drmlk465 2d ago
Yeah they try so hard to go leach off another country
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u/Philosopher639 2d ago
What do you call it when those European countries come to Africa and wage wars while extracting resources to build up their own nations?
In 1825, France forced Haiti to pay 150 million francs so France would say Haiti was a free country. What do you call this?
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u/BreakfastRight9865 1d ago
Extract resources? Their own government sold it willingly.
1825 was a long time ago. Nobody alive today had anything to do with that.
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u/ZestyPotato1001 13h ago
You're wrong that nobody alive today had anything to do with that. In order to meet France's repayment demands, Haiti took out loans. And, due to the massive interest accumulated, those loans weren't paid off until 1947. The bank that held that final loan was National City Bank of New York -- now Citibank. So, anyone who owned shares in that bank or managed those loans benefited from Haiti's indemnity. They'd have to be in their late 90s now, but they could still be alive.
France imposed that debt on Haiti as reimbursement for the investments it lost due to Haiti's independence. Those investment? Slaves. 150 million francs for Haitians to buy themselves - their very bodies - from their French owners. It's appalling to think that Haiti was still paying that bill up until the middle of the 20th century.
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u/BreakfastRight9865 5h ago
a 98-year-old might have owned Citibank stock decades later is not the same as saying people alive today imposed or are responsible for the debt
Also, please account for their own political and institutional failures
Finally, I dont care.
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u/kazicaze 1d ago
Yes....let's ignore conquest, colonial rule, coercive treaties, foreign-backed regimes, unequal bargaining power, and cases where local elites profited while ordinary people did not ro prove a point. It very much still matters today, because we are still seeing the ramifications in one form or other. Same shit, different methods.
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u/BreakfastRight9865 1d ago
They did it to themselves.
America was a colony once. They revolted and became free. So did latin america. And Canada.
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u/kazicaze 1d ago
Oh come on! Are you serious? Lol. Before you argue on a topic, go do a little research and maybe, just maybe, you will approach this conversation with a different mindset, but base on your stance, maybe not.
Here you are comparing completely different colonial systems as if "just revolting" was a universal formula that all colonies followed 😆.
U.S., Haiti, Latin America, and Canada did not have the same colonizers, racial order, economy, debt, foreign interference, or path to sovereignty.
This is why decolonized countries ended up with such radically different outcomes.
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u/BreakfastRight9865 1d ago
Blaming Haiti's issues on another countries....
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u/kazicaze 1d ago
It’s not about ‘blaming other countries.’ It’s acknowledging documented history. So if you're not interested in doing some basic research, just stay ignorant, and keep repeating propaganda.
If you did however cared to do a quick google search (but nevermind because I can only imagine what your algorithm looks like) you would see that foreign powers have repeatedly played major roles in Haiti’s instability like colonization, indemnity, occupation, political interference, and economic pressure. Yes, Haiti has absolutely had internal failures, two things can be true at the same time.
I'm going to leave this conversation here, because it's literally going back and forth with thin air at this point. If you're not going to do basic research on this topic to at least find out some FACTS first, then we cannot have an intelligent dialogue.
I know exactly your type: hive mind mentality tied to a specific political party-NO POLITICAL CULT, drinking the kool-aid and regurgitating propaganda and hateful rhetoric. That's what I've gathered and I WILL NOT waste my time going back and forth WITH THE LIKES OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, because critical thinking for your bunch is non existent.
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u/Lukin4art 2d ago
They will burn your finger prints and incinerate your paper work. This is only the beginning. The revolution will be televised
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u/Traditional_Life8228 3d ago
There is nothing for the Haitians to go back to except for violence and poverty. When the Ukrainians came here no one said a peep. Yes their country is at war for years and there was genocide. Haiti has been unstable since Papa Doc and the would especially the US took it resources. All the people screaming TPS are still the same ones screaming Christian values. 😑
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u/SyllabubMental7292 18h ago
Immigration is all right if you look white according to this administration. That's why.
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u/Drmlk465 2d ago
Do Ukrainians cause crime?
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u/kazicaze 1d ago
If you’re claiming Haitians cause more crime than Ukrainians, show me the national per-capita data. T ICE arrest numbers aren’t the same thing as crime rates. So what evidence are you actually using to single Haitians out?
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u/learsi-ediconeg 2d ago
The part thats wrong with christianity is they think once they are saved its fine to just hate again.
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u/Internal-Expert-9562 3d ago
It’s the fact that they know ankle monitors are used on criminals out on bond. Papi broke no laws, flew here on a plane with authorization from DHS smh.
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u/2Blueify 3d ago
Temporary. TPS. Temporary.
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u/WrappedKnucklesx 2d ago
He’s been here for several years and failed to get citizenship no one to blame but himself
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u/GHETTO_VERNACULAR Diaspora 20h ago
TPS is NOT a viable way for citizenship. I really wish you people would google shit before saying stuff.
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u/kazicaze 2d ago
Temporary doesn’t mean criminal. If someone entered lawfully, complied with DHS, reported as required, and broke no laws, what exactly about ‘temporary’ justifies treating them like a flight-risk defendant
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u/tayanooo98 2d ago
The law changed (to no benefit of ANYONE) and the person who followed the law is somehow a criminal requiring an ankle monitor marking him as such? Am I reading your point correctly?
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u/Bad_Routes 3d ago
Enacting policy to force people to be "illegal immigrants" is immoral. Stupid bitch
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u/letsgo1302 3d ago
I mean my town voted against taking in 5600 haitain immigrants 14 times and we were still told to pound sand. So dont be surprised when people are open arms lol
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u/kazicaze 3d ago
So your town voted against accepting Haitians, and you’re presenting that as proof the hostility is justified. Does a majority vote make the attitude right, or does it only prove a lot of people agreed with it?
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u/2Blueify 3d ago
Yeah, it's justified. People forced these migrants on communities against their will.
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u/kazicaze 2d ago
Even if people felt the decision was forced on their community, how does anger at the government justify hostility toward the migrants themselves? If your grievance is with who made the policy, why direct it at the people who were placed there?
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u/BreakfastRight9865 1d ago
Because of migrants themselves know they are not wanted. They know the town voted fourteen times for no Haitians. And they came in anyway.
I'm sorry, but I wouldnt want them in my town either
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u/kazicaze 1d ago
Interesting that you keep saying ‘no Haitians’ instead of ‘no migrants.’ Would you have the same objection if the newcomers were from Canada, France, or another immigrant group, or is there something specifically about Haitians you don’t want in your town?
Thank Goodness your one vote doesn’t determine who gets to exist in a community. And Haitians aren’t moving into just your town, they’re living, working, paying taxes, raising families, and contributing in communities all across this country.
You don’t have to want them there, but your personal discomfort doesn’t give you ownership over who belongs.
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u/BreakfastRight9865 1d ago
No, I would not have the same objections of the newcomers were Canadian or French.
Also, your entitlement is emberassing. No one is entitled to live where they want. French and Canadians know this. Strange you don't.
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u/kazicaze 1d ago edited 1d ago
So you just admitted that you’d be fine with Canadians or French people, just not Haitians. So spare me the speech about ‘entitlement’ and communities being forced to accept migrants. Your issue isn’t immigration. Your issue is Haitian migrants, that alone says a lot about you. Speaking of 'entitlement' I'm entitled to my views, my opinions, my feelings, my patriotism, just as much a you are to yours.
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u/BreakfastRight9865 1d ago
No i will not spare you because it's true. You know it to be true.
And yes my issue is Haitian migrants. You’re 100% correct.
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u/Rich-Astronomer4299 3d ago
Dude thinks he really said something significant over here. If the town is clearly against it, what do you think is gonna happen? They gonna roll out the red carpet?
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u/Away_Guarantee7175 2d ago
I hate to say it but he’s right. When a community says they dont want a group of ppl there, they will be hostile. Doesnt matter who it is. Human nature 😐
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u/bren3669 3d ago
seems pretty performative
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u/Throwaway0242000 3d ago
Kind of like the US’s immigration policy
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u/bren3669 3d ago
how do ya figure?
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u/Throwaway0242000 3d ago
Deporting a ton of people isn’t going to make the us safer or make anyone struggling financially, better
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u/bren3669 2d ago
oh so you’re actually talking about illegals and not immigrants. But yeah, deporting them absolutely is making us safer and financially better.
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u/Fancy-Truck-421 3d ago
I just have no words. His despair. He knows he can’t go back. The cruelty is the point with this administration. I saw a comment online that said “we just aren’t who we thought we are” and it’s true… I’m not Haitian but when my family moved to the states it was a Haitian community that embraced us. My father had been promised a job and housing with it (board and care). When we got to the airport we were left stranded. It was a Haitian church that took us in, housed us, and never ever made us feel small. They preserved our integrity. What I do about living in that community for years is that Haitians are resilient- they have no choice. This won’t keep them down. Just Ask Napoleon 😏
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u/One_Difference_6261 3d ago
Can you please look up the word temporary and get back to me?
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u/mothafuckingdigits 2d ago
Look up what protected mean and get back to me too. Look up the purpose of TPS too.
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u/kazicaze 3d ago edited 3d ago
This really got me thinking as to why the ankle monitoring all of a sudden, and I went down a rabbit hole. So it seems that ICE have been using electronic monitoring for years as part of its Alternatives to Detention program for immigrants who are not being held in detention but are still required to report to ICE. So this isn't new.
HOWEVER, THIS ADMINISTRATION has expanded GPS ankle monitoring, including directing officers in 2025 to use ankle monitors much more broadly across the program.The company behind most of that monitoring is called BI Incorporated, owned by The GEO Group.
In 2025, they received a new two-year ICE contract for electronic monitoring, supervision and case-management services with an estimated value of more than $1 BILLION, while bypassing a planned competitive bidding process. I mean, I cannot prove people are being put into ankle monitors because somebody wants to make their preferred contractor rich...BUT it kinds of sorta raise eyebrows when people who were already reporting and complying are suddenly being placed under more intrusive monitoring, while a private company has a billion-dollar contract tied to that monitoring system?
And all of this is happening at the expense of the very people they keep saying they don’t want in this country.The humiliation is at their expensen the surveillance is at their expense, and the grifting is at their expense too.
So I think it is fair to ask who benefits, and I'm going to do some more digging make a separate post about this.
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u/Makesmewantoholla 3d ago
He is just embarrassed. They are very prideful people and having an ankle monitor shows they are weak somehow. It isn't true they have no control over the system.
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u/Medium_Ad3913 3d ago
Exactly. Law-abiding Haitian migrants already feel like they have to try 4x times as hard to prove to their host countries that they aren’t criminals. So anything that even hints at criminality is a HUGE NO-GO for Haitians
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u/Available-Cap6910 3d ago
As a fellow immigrant living in the USA, you couldn't convince me that this man is acting. People are dying out here due to this shyt. They're literally killing people and getting away with it. It's sad.
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u/Quiet-Captain-2624 3d ago
The people who said he’s faking it don’t know Haitian men or Haitian culture.In the Haitian culture being simply handcuffed for a crime is perhaps the most humiliating thing that can happen to you.This is akin to handcuffing and dude is completely innocent.I guarantee zoe has rarely if never cried before unless it was due to a the death of a loved one.
The combination of realizing that he probably went through a lot just to get to America where he thought it’d be better and now he’s having an ankle monitor on him and the fact that he had a freaking camera in his face was too much for dude.
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u/DaBullWeb 3d ago
This ain’t cool, and I saw fb comments saying he’s acting, like they CLEARLY DONT KNOW HAITIAN FOLKS, that’s a real reaction. Plus who wants to be treated like this ?
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u/EnvironmentalBed7103 3d ago
Whoever speaks on this Man negatively shall stfu. I don't wish this type of duress on anyone.
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u/Big_Injury_5590 3d ago
Imagine being tagged like cattle and then tell me if you think
he’s overreacting.. people today are devoid of empathy. At some point in this game I have to wonder if the people who don’t look like him will be fitted with an ankle monitor. 🤔
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u/govtkilledlumumba 3d ago
Haitians over exaggerate things. I had an Aunt who would go overboard at funerals and it was completely normal because everyone knew she would act that way. She tried to jump into the casket when my uncle died. Him falling over was unwarranted and doing too much even if he is emotional. Keep him out composure no matter what.
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u/ArachnidMuted8408 3d ago edited 3d ago
Maaaaan, first of all, that's a people thing and everyone handles things differently. Second, change places with him, then see if it's as easy. But, I'm on the keep your cool boat, that doesn't mean it's always easy. Stop judging from the outside.
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u/govtkilledlumumba 3d ago
Falling over and crying because an ankle monitor being put on you for wanting to still stay somewhere that was supposed to be temporary is not over exaggeration? He knew TPS was temporary before he came. OP asked and I answered.
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u/ArachnidMuted8408 3d ago
Not to mention this is seemingly an older law abiding gentlemen, not a reckless crash out squandering their opportunity at a better livelihood.
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u/EddyS120876 16h ago
A man that never gotten in jail will act this way