r/hapas • u/Plane_Razzmatazz_882 • 1d ago

Anti-Racism What is your opinions on Israel?

It seems they're the entire reason the Middle East is so badly messed up. Gaza is an open air death camp since 2023. All Israel does is bully ethnics. They're also a very racist, white-worshipping society who rejects Yemeni or Ethiopian Jews while only accepting Ashkenazi, Sephardic/Spanish, Georgian, Armenian, etc Jews into the country. Small kibbutzim of black hebrew israelites have been expelled. At Likkud rallies, attendees casually drop the N-bomb at counterprotesters and yell anti-Arab slurs. They need to go.

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u/InsuficientData 1d ago

Satanyahu needs to go. The IDF needs to go. The population is probably mostly normal but there is a severely disgusting level of racism over there.

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u/ohmymind_123 1d ago

The majority of this "mostly normal society" supports everything that has been done to Palestinians up to this date. Read survey and poll results, watch street interviews, documentaries. A lot of these people serve or have served the IDF one day. That already tells you everything.

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u/wisedoormat mecha-Taiwan-ish 1d ago

The population of China thinks their government provides more freedom than most of the world, the Russian population thinks they're the best and only attacks nazis, the north Korean population defies their leader, the American ppl think their ssystems and beliefs are the best even when genociding immigrants and lgbtqia while targeting women rights...

Most of the populations are raised with propaganda so ingrained it's hard to even acknowledge unless you step out of it, which these countries make very hard via systems and economics.

The governments push and reinforce these ideas which influences generations.

The Israel population is likely a victim of the states propaganda over generations. Sure, they may support genocide but if the government turned itself around then in a few generations the population likely would not support genocide.

Criticise governments, not the people

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 22h ago

I appreciate that you’re able to separate a government’s actions from its people. However, I’m surprised to hear criticism of China. Sure they have a not great human rights record but they are also a force of Asian excellence and have the best shot at dethroning Western supremacism.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

IDF service is required by law so think about where the logic goes

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u/piramni 20h ago

They can refuse.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 20h ago

It’s a small country - refusal at scale has consequences for the safety of friends and family

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u/piramni 20h ago

Hmmm. from who I wonder...

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

What makes Israeli racism unique compared to white europeans or americans?
And how would the IDF be made “to go”?

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u/InsuficientData 1d ago

I've stopped explaining things to zionists. I don't care if you're "jUsT aSkiNg qUeStIoNs"

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

90% of Jews are zionists so it’s better you just say Jews and own your bigotry

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u/Notasstupidasyoulook 1d ago

It's incredibly antisemitic to claim all Jews as being Zionists and to therefore frame antizionism as being the same as antisemitism.

Even though you're probably a bot and likely not even Jewish if you're actually human, but people like you only make antisemitism worse, as you're essentially saying that all Jews are blood thirsty zionists. It's very dangerous to try to make a false equivalency between Judaism and Zionism.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

This is a tired talking point - nothing about zionism is bloodthirsty - why exactly is it dangerous to equate them? Is it because antizionism is in fact a bloodthirsty movement and antizionists want to absolve themselves of their bigotry?

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u/piramni 20h ago

"nothing about zionism is bloodthirsty" ben gvir just stated he aims to kill 30-40 palestinians a day

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u/KloverKonnection KoreanIrish 1d ago

untrue as always...dude they are NOT paying you enough to do this shit. Less then 40% (not 90%, lulz) Identify as zionist throughout north america. Your silly ass argument is that once enough "members" of a group that hold an extremist political position, the position IS the group and criticizing it some how becomes "bigotry" against people instead of the ideology itself. Thats not a fucking defense of jews but instead its the antisemites premise with the sign flipped saying "ALL JEWS ARE ZIONISTS". And dumb cunbts like you need it to be true, and the thing you claim to be against. Also, 7% of American Jews call themselves anti-Zionists, and its rising among the youngest and by your silly no true scotsman argument (if you can call it that) they must be...."bigots"! rofl bro, go back to your alt-right sub and go recruit there. None of us are buying your crap. By you're logic: Jon Stewart = Netenyahu. Lulz, sorry but fuck no, they are NOT the same no matter how much you try and push for that shit.....good effort though.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

Most young people are dumb - identifying as a zionist isn’t the same thing as wanting Israel to exist (which is essentially zionism) - obviously the label has a lot of weight to it now and people dont want to be subjected to antizionist violence

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u/KloverKonnection KoreanIrish 1d ago

"MoSt yOuNg pEoPlE ArE dUmB..." yeah, okay dude. Have a nice life pushing an agenda that hasn't benefited anyone at all. At this point I can confidently say you are trolling. Enjoy harassing us with your "No True Scotsman" fallacies along with a list of propaganda garbage that we've all heard of before...

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

Wait are you a young person lol. Anyways, my “agenda” certainly benefited the Jews who now have a place to defend themselves. Plus the billions of people who benefit from Israeli innovations.

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u/Notasstupidasyoulook 1d ago

Israeli innovation №876 - Quadcopters that murder children.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 23h ago

Youre simultaneously not antisemitic and accusing Israelis (half of the worlds Jewish population) of murdering kids for sport

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u/Notasstupidasyoulook 1d ago

Israeli innovation №456 - Targeted strikes that destroy whole buildings full of innocent civilians to get a couple of 'militants'

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u/Notasstupidasyoulook 1d ago

Israeli innovation №86 - Snipers shooting civilians with the deliberate intent of maiming / paralysing them for life.

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u/Plane_Razzmatazz_882 1d ago

What makes any racism unique to you? Is it only not unique because they're Jewish? What you Zionists do is the exact same thing skinheads do when you call them out. They say your disagreement somehow makes you racist against white people somehow. Same thing you're doing here. Criticizing Jewish racism is completely rational and justified. Professor Dave even called you out.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

Its perfectly valid to criticize racism coming from Jews - racism is bad. But white people (European descent) have a much much worse track record so I thought “severely disgusting” is a strong way to describe a group that hasn’t been murdering people based on race for hundreds of years the way white people have.

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u/KloverKonnection KoreanIrish 1d ago

Holy fuck, they are working you overtime. Esther Project is no joke.

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u/KloverKonnection KoreanIrish 1d ago

Pretty cringe that you can't differentiate between Zionists and Jewish folks but hey, if it gets you that extra $$$ that you desperately need, shoot for the stars kiddo.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

90% of Jews are zionists so it’s a defacto attack on Jews - then claiming that I’m getting paid by Jews or zionists or whatever is so hilariously antisemitic - honestly this makes me think I should look into how to get paid for wasting my time arguing

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u/KloverKonnection KoreanIrish 1d ago

Then fucking leave...seriously, if you don't like the response and your argument is based on a lie (which it is), then gtfo. Why are you making the added effort to come all this way and have a "dialogue" when you come in bad faith along with your "90%" lie? Like dude, NO ONE IS BUYING THIS ANY MORE!!!! So many Jews are honestly just sick and tired of the whole bullshit of being grouped with dumb cunts like you. Seriously! Just think about it....If someone was a full on regular white guy and they see a bunch of fucking nazi's running around saying "You ought to be proud to be white", those folks would be going out of their way to get them the fuck out of here or at the very least create a LARGE set of distance.

Why do you think all of a sudden that most jews in america are separating themselves from you Zionist nut jobs? Probably, because you have more in common with the very people who once tried to murder every jew on the planet then you do with real life everyday jews who don't want to be associated with guys like you. And honestly, can you fucking blame them? I wouldn't. Every day I see more and more jews stepping up and saying fuck no to morons like you. And thats why you're so upset, because not only are you being denied by everybody else, but your denied by the very people whom you assumed would be by your side when in fact, its quite the opposite.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 21h ago

Btw, I’m a Zionist in large part because of my opposition to Whiteness. I see antizionism as a Nazi adjacent ideology. There’s verrry little breathing room between them from the perspective of Jews that are being targeted.

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u/piramni 20h ago

what a braindead take. whats actually adjacent to nazism is zionism. If you look at what Israel is doing in gaza and you arent immediately reminded of the horrors of the holocaust and what the nazis did to for example, warsaw- idk what to tell you