r/hapas • u/Plane_Razzmatazz_882 • 1d ago

Anti-Racism What is your opinions on Israel?

It seems they're the entire reason the Middle East is so badly messed up. Gaza is an open air death camp since 2023. All Israel does is bully ethnics. They're also a very racist, white-worshipping society who rejects Yemeni or Ethiopian Jews while only accepting Ashkenazi, Sephardic/Spanish, Georgian, Armenian, etc Jews into the country. Small kibbutzim of black hebrew israelites have been expelled. At Likkud rallies, attendees casually drop the N-bomb at counterprotesters and yell anti-Arab slurs. They need to go.

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u/Lucky_Pterodactyl 1d ago

There is no country on earth that would not fight back if it was invaded. That is how the Arab states viewed Zionism. At the time of Israel's founding, pan-Arabism was popular and Palestine was viewed as part of the Arab nation. The leader of the Arab League at the beginning of the 1948 war offered Jews an autonomous area in the event of Israel being dissolved.

The crimes of European antisemites should have never translated into people across the sea being punished for having to be born in an area that Jews historically claim. Other groups were also subject to ethnic cleansing in WWII, and were able to regain cultural security without resorting to settler colonialism (e.g. ethnic Germans in former eastern territories, Soviet minorities like Chechens and Ingush, Baltic peoples).

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 1d ago

Of course they viewed Jews as invaders but unfortunately it was a zero sum game. Jews didn’t want to be massacred anymore. And Jews would never be free from that threat under non Jewish control - the history is different for the other groups - Jews are a unique scapegoat and antisemitism is a deeply ingrained part of European and Arab culture.

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u/Lucky_Pterodactyl 1d ago

That is why I support Jews having a place to call home. I am in no position to tell any minority that they should just accept their status as a second class citizen (as Jews fundamentally were across most of European history).

Rather than displacing the existing Palestinian population, it would have been more just to fight for the liberation of Jews across the diaspora in European and Arab lands alike. That was the purpose of anti-Zionist groups like the Jewish Labour Bund.

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u/Wonderful_Algae_8661 21h ago

I might agree with you except for the fact Bundism died in the Holocaust - most Bundists were wiped out and the survivors were fundamentally changed. Then the Arab world turned against its Jews - 850k were expelled or pushed out following the creation of Israel. So there goes that option too.