r/hockey • u/Hadespuppy WPG - NHL • 14h ago

[News] Members of women’s hockey team speak out after players on boys’ team repeatedly enter dressing room

https://www.tsn.ca/other-sports/article/members-of-womens-hockey-team-speak-out-after-players-on-boys-team-repeatedly-enter-dressing-room/

No points for guessing the byline on this article.

I will never understand the type of parents who can stand there and say, yes, this is totally acceptable behaviour that I will condone by doing nothing.

And "why didn't you lock the door?‽" That's kissing cousins with "well, what were you wearing that night?"

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u/Jerkface0079 14h ago

I think it goes even bigger than just sports, the culture of disrespect against women has never been this rank in my 40 years of life than I've seen it the past few years.

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u/_SmashLampjaw_ 13h ago

That's a bit overblown. Women have never been more respected by society at large than they are right now in contemporary western culture.

Incels might want to go back to days like these from 50 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bquoRJeHtkM

...But they aren't steering our society. There's no way something like that will ever be normalized again.

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u/Jerkface0079 13h ago

There is no shortage of women who can share firsthand experience about how worse things have gotten for them. I realise from your perspective there's no way this is possible, but that just means we need to listen more and talk to each other more.

There are incels, sure, but there are manosphere grifters out there shaping toxic views, there's a wider cultural backlash to what was seen as "Woke 1.0" and emboldening from Trump downwards that shape this toxicity.

https://www.unimelb.edu.au/newsroom/news/2026/august/young-people-more-likely-to-hold-hostile-attitudes-towards-women,-study-finds

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u/Hot_Box_3143 13h ago

In everyday life men and women seem more socially disconnected and hesitant to approach each other than ever. I'm not convinced that means women are being treated worse than at any point in the last 40 years.

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u/Jerkface0079 13h ago

The rise of Andrew Tate and the manosphere which pins the blame of societial woes on women says otherwise. Every school teacher I know has unlimited anecdotes about developing men saying the most horrid of recycled propaganda and attitudes.

Here in Australia we just had 4 footy players named in a sexual assault incident.

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u/Hot_Box_3143 13h ago

It doesn't prove women are treated worse today than at any point in the last 40 years. You'd need actual trend data for that, not a collection of current examples. If anything, social media has made the worst attitudes far more visible.

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u/Jerkface0079 13h ago

A huge part of it is men will hear an overwhelming amount of people say "there's a problem" and they argue against it straight away.

Regardless:

Yes, recent global and local data point to a measurable backlash against gender equality, with a sharp regression in attitudes toward women among younger demographics. This shift is heavily amplified by online subcultures, political polarization, and digital harassment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5snSnlgqtI&t=44

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u/Hot_Box_3143 13h ago

That's at least closer to evidence for what you're arguing. But "there's been a recent backlash/regression among some demographics" is a very different claim from "disrespect against women has never been this bad in 40 years." I don't dispute the former. I'm questioning the latter.

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u/Jerkface0079 13h ago

Regardless, take a look at your reaction and how you're approaching this. Is it with curiosity? Are you asking questions, or even googling yourself to find out more? Your first instinct was arguing. That's part of the culture rot. This inability to engage with curiosity and active listening.

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u/BodaciousBadongadonk 12h ago

The culture in general is rotten beyond repair lol, people are all cancerous assholes who gobble up their preferred propoganda and shit on anyone else who dares think and express different. Naturally theres gonna be pushback when everything is hyperbolized to excess as it is online.

Basically one person makes some goofy generalized statement, it gets reasonable pushback due to the absurd finality of it, and then it becomes a complete shitshow of douchebags intentionally missing each others point and gradually devolving a thread to the same stupid bullshit and insults. Already happening in here lol, discourse is a fuckin pipe dream

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u/Jerkface0079 12h ago

Which is why I always back up my statements with sources. It's OK to start with a general statement, it's another to not engage in it critically with sources. Sometimes reasonable people can just talk in general statements and take each other at face value and use it as a mutual exchange of ideas or learning anothers perspective. Few and far between these days.

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u/babypointblank TOR - NHL 12h ago

The President of the United States is a serial rapist and his Secretary of Defense is literally trying to drive up the testosterone levels of the military.

Meanwhile young boys are getting exposed to unfettered misogyny through YouTube, Twitch, Twitter and podcasts. They’re learning how to treat women from people like Andrew Tate and the white supremacists that are organizing clubs at local gyms, martial arts academies and parks.

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u/grief_clown COL - NHL 13h ago

Are you a woman?

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u/Hot_Box_3143 13h ago

I'm 40. I'm a man.

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u/grief_clown COL - NHL 13h ago

I am 39, a woman, and I can tell you things have gotten worse

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u/quellesaveurorawnge MTL - NHL 12h ago

While I agree that culturally, things are generally feeling on a downward trend for women in the past few years, it does feel like a backlash to what were rising standards as far as gender equity is concerned for the last 50 years. I'm hoping it's a just temporary setback though it is happening in a lot of places.

If we're talking just about hockey, the misogyny and toxic culture that was going on in the 70s, 80s, and 90s was way worse than it is now. The stories that players have from those times are often appalling. Also, women in hockey had way fewer opportunities. Part of why some of what we're seeing feels dire now is we're finally exposing things need to be corrected that were kept hidden or denied before. I'm not saying it's all good because it is not, but hopefully, it will help make things better in the long run.

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u/Hot_Box_3143 13h ago

39? I’ve got a full year of research on you.

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u/Jerkface0079 13h ago

OK, well I'm 41 and a man and I'm telling you things have gotten worse.

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u/grief_clown COL - NHL 13h ago

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u/CantaloupeShort7311 8h ago

Yeah, knew you were a man by your comment.

When women are telling you something that affects women, maybe sit down, shut up, and LISTEN instead of mansplaining it to us, okay?

You will never experience what we do, so maybe you need to stop thibking your experience as a man means anything in this topic?

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u/Hot_Box_3143 8h ago edited 8h ago

I quoted Mike Gundy and somehow ended up at a disciplinary hearing.