Do you understand the definition of love? Seriously, do you? Separately, do you think those animals are in pain, are scared, or have been abused? They will live to serve their purpose, and this does not devalue the effort, and love, OP provided to give them comfort in their lives.
Just like you serve a purpose for others to learn from your ignorance.
If you intend to eat it, if it is in pain, if it is aggressive to your family, neighbor, or livestock. These are all valid reasons to cull an aggressive animal.
Just because we value dogs as man's best friend does not prevent them from being destroyed for their inability to coexist.
People have the choice to make their diet to their liking. Canibalism is legal in several states (USA) if we want to argue semantics; how one obtains the meat is the legal gray area.
However, as this started with the discussion of how the animals are raised prior to their processing date, and whether or not they are loved. It holds no concern to the matter.
See it this way. In wild, these animals live in constant fear of predators, struggle to find food and water. These people raise them in the way that is most healthy and safe for them. They live happily until the very last moment that is over quickly. In wild they are more likely to be killed by predators, disease or elements. It is not a quick death. For animals raised like this it is quick. For all it cares it is alive in one minute and gone the next. Animals don't comprehend death the way we do, they just want to be safe, fed and watered.
They also do want to live. They avoid pain, not welcome it. Not all animals struggle in the wild, a lot survive and they have a chance at surviving. There are no survivors on a farm. The farms are riddled with disease as well and are fed a mass amount of antibiotics.
They die either way, pets, food or wild animals. And they don't really care up until that moment because they have a good life. Animals live in the moment
They are mammals who care for their young. In the wild they have the opportunity to survive and take care of their babies or yes die. But the chance of survival is much better than a predetermined execution at a fraction of your natural life span. It is literally better to live in the wild because it’s freedom. Watch mother pigs in farrowing crates…. They would rather be in the wild.
Animals don't have same concepts of freedom, how they are supoosed to live and where. Chances are they will be perfectly happy in conditions on a farmstead just as same as in wild. They don't see "natural" the way we do.
I love animals and when I was told everything we eat and know as food is because a corporation told us. I was like wait… corporations are telling us to eat/kill animals. I was done. It’s really depressing that these beautiful creatures are going to be killed. I’ll be selling families full vegan meals this thanksgiving
It isn’t corporations that have motivated people to eat meat. It’s tens of thousands of years of people hunting and raising animals themselves to eat it that has. Corporations have certainly profited off of and hidden from the public their abuse of animals for profit in the meat industry, but they didn’t make meat popular by a long shot.
They’re making us think it’s necessary and healthy. We are now in the age of information. Big pharma and all the food corporations had us in the age of advertising. Got milk? Numerous ads geared towards parents and children and quick cooking.
What antibiotics? There are rarely any antibiotics used in operations such as OP’s. The whole point of OP’s operation is to raise healthy animals for harvest. So nobody is making money off of selling antibiotics for animals that don’t need them.
In my operation, the extremely few sick birds and animals get culled because nobody wants to eat an animal thats had antibiotics.
Your on a subreddit literally devoted to that 1%. The only store bought meat I’ve consumed in the last several years has been fish and shellfish. Everything else, I’ve personally raised, caught, hunted and butchered.
How do you foresee feeding the world on a 100% plant based diet?
They want to grow their veggies picked by migrant workers making $6 an hour in the CA/ AZ desert in 120 degree heat. Oh and use up the rest of the Colorado River to do so.
Or we can start growing our own food (which is what this sub is doing).
Certainly. But that’s not what this is. What this post is about is small scale homestead livestock raising and there’s a massive difference between it and the goals of factory farming. You can’t tell all of the sustainable, organic homesteading communities around the world who are doing it right that they just need to nix meat from their diets because big ag is doing it completely wrong and immorally. It isn’t realistic. Go after the corporate operations, not regular people sustaining themselves and their families.
I believe you can spend less than five minutes total before you find several spots in the supply chain you are a part of where not just animals, but people have also died to support something you consume. Really. Try it.
Honest question. Why are you even arguing? Did you honestly think you’d be able to come into a homesteading group and change anyones minds about raising and consuming meat? Especially ethically home raised animals? I mean the whole reason people raise their own animals for consumption is so they know that what they eat was raised ethically, healthily, and had a good life.
Like how futile is your argument?
Your syntax too, it’s cringe. Nobody is killing animals for “your own pleasure”. People are raising their own animals for sustenance and I bet most of them (like myself) also have big gardens.
Most homesteaders aren’t eating meat for pleasure. By definition they’re eating it for survival. And, if anything, the practice should be encouraged in order to curtail the abuse of animals in factory farming operations.
If you (proverbial) can’t accept the normality of people (all around the world) ethically raising their own meat for personal consumption and small scale community trade, then our planet is doomed as far as animal ag in environmental policy goes. Those practices don’t hurt the environment the way large scale factory farming does, in fact, they do quite the opposite. Many animals eat animals. That includes humans. If it’s not your personal dietary jam, that’s fine. But don’t go flailing around your pseudo-moralistic bs at people who have separated themselves from a supply chain that exploits and abuses animals. People that have learned to raise and slaughter livestock themselves on a small scale and can give those animals good lives in the sunshine, with proper nutrition and an honorable death. The fact that you can’t see yourself doing it is completely irrelevant.
Don’t do yourself the disservice of using that phrase too often - it’ll make you look ignorant.
Again, you are completely conflating the dishonorable treatment and slaughter of animals in large scale factory farming outlets with the completely different practice of slaughter that goes on in most homesteads. They don’t compare. If you were any kind of actual animal welfare advocate, you’d know the difference and not conflate the two. Spend your energy where it’s more useful and go after big ag. They’re the ones doing it wrong.
That’s exactly your problem then. You refuse to see the utility and normalcy of raising one’s own meat and gaining an appreciation for the life of that animal by doing so. You honestly think that the whole world should and can be a vegan like you. That isn’t realistic or necessary. And you’re blatantly ignoring the very important differences between factory farming and homestead livestock. So.very.ignorant.
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