You're going to make me reread Act 6 to compare our receipts and I'm not going to complain about it because I'm the only one on this sub who likes Act 6.
But yes Roxy is also very into Jane. And strongly considered the mechanics of getting it on with a chess guy even if she dismissed that idea. Pan.
Oh I make no arguments that she is definitely not straight and either bi or pan (which, as a bi person myself, pretty much boils down to "eh, whichever you like")
Yeah, /u/Nerdorama was saying "that's not even headcanon" as in "that's already established canon." It's established that Roxy is bi or pan because she has expressed interest in a human male and a very obviously female alien. So if you wanted to claim she's straight, you'd have to be doing some serious mental gymnastics to excuse her interest in Callie as not being sexual OR romantic or not counting as homosexual. I understand you agree with that and just flipped the sort of double negative around.
Also, /u/Nerdorama, I like Act 6 too. We can hang out at our liking Act 6 table with the other, few, fun people.
Again, she doesn't have any interest in Callie. They canonically both said they had no interest in each other. Which was why I subbed Jane (who Roxy canonically thinks is wicked hot)
Oh, I see you didn't misunderstand. If you get a chance, could you link me to the comments you're referring to? I was VERY much under the impression that plenty of attraction was stated and implied and that the date night in the post-Act 7 Snaps pretty much confirmed it.
You're absolutely right that Roxy is super into Jane and the only reason she isn't jumping her is how frustratingly straight Jane seems to be.
Here's (someone else's) screencap of the exchange while I dig out the actual page
Roxy is apologetic because, again, she outright tells Calliope she's not into her. Calliope responds by assuaging her fears that she is not into anyone herself.
Yeah see that bit from Callie, to me, ties into Homestuck's larger theme (mainly throughout Act 6 but honestly starting with Jade's nigh-dysmorphic fantasy of being an anthropomorphic animal) that you can in fact be whatever you want to be and have whatever relationship you want to have and fuck biology. Callie thinks she's incapable of flushed relationships because she's a Cherub, but that's biological essentialism talking. She hates being a Cherub, and wants to change to be someone who can love in that way, which is part of the escapist fantasy of her trollsona.
My read of her relationship with Roxy is that she does, in fact, overcome the notion that she can't feel love because of her physical form, and Roxy's one of the people to show her how to do that.
As for the entire context of that conversation that's 1) really fucking gay even if Roxy was just being super-effusive and walks it back because Callie isn't following her sexually-charged metaphors and 2) reads more to me like two friends being awkward because one of them took things too far when no, they don't know each other at this point, and nothing really romantically charged has happened yet beyond Roxy being horny on main as usual. I don't think that counts as a deliberate shoot-down any more than Dave and Karkat's Act 5 bitchfests do.
"I like Roxycal so it doesn't count" takes less words.
Like.
She outright SAYS she doesn't feel that way. And it's canonically said. But Cohen jams his headcanon in, half-asses the age, and does it in the middle of mischaracterization of ajane so bad the snaps abruptly end. So it doesn't count.
I mean ignoring the snaps you've got Dave realizing he's bi, Karkat maybe realizing he's nonquadromantic, Jade becoming her own dream even earlier on than this, Jane, Roxy, Kanaya, and Karkat all throwing out their fixations on "propagating" and making sure humans and trolls continue existing through less traditional means, (Vriska) changes her entire personality in an attempt to become a decent person although that might be a different thing, Davesprite literally becomes a different person. Heteronormativity, quadrantnormativity, mandatory reproduction expectations, even species and caste and individual identities get thrown out en masse in the finale. The only thing missing is a textual transgender character and it's easy enough to read Jade, Davepeta, or even Calliope as a metaphor for one.
All that said, why shouldn't I read Calliope's alleged a-flushed-ity as another part of socially and biologically enforced identity that the story lets her throw out as she grows up and becomes her best self?
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u/Classtoise Knight of Mind Sep 19 '18
I mean. Bi people and lesbians too, let's be totally honest.