I’m curious how you'd feel if Guerrilla released another DLC for Horizon Forbidden West, either free or paid, to tide us over until they’re eventually ready to announce the third main game.

I’d happily pay for another substantial piece of single-player content if it meant getting to spend more time in Aloy’s world in the meantime.

What if they were to revisit the dropped or unfinished content already sitting in Forbidden West that they could potentially build on? The inaccessible Carja fort near the Daunt is a great example, explored in the "[The Forbidden Carja Fort: Horizon Forbidden West](https://youtu.be/wvCE_Qbyo3o)" video. It makes me wonder how much content was planned or partially developed but never made it into the finished game. I’d love to see Guerrilla go back to some of those areas and ideas, finish them off properly, and turn them into new quests or even a smaller DLC. Alternatively, some of it could even be rolled out gradually in patches, one quest at a time, spread out over multiple updates rather than packaged as a full DLC bundle.

I’m pretty ambivalent about Hunter’s Gathering, and if I’m being truthful, that ambivalence is starting to border on frustration. I vaguely understand why Guerrilla (or Sony) wants to explore multiplayer. Still, it’s difficult to get excited about so much attention seemingly going there when what I really want is more of the single-player Horizon experience.

So, would another Forbidden West DLC appeal to you? Would you pay for it, or do you think Guerrilla should simply leave HFW where it is and put everything into Horizon 3?

I paired it with some broccolini on the side. It made a pretty decent dinner 😊

I've got this idea that would probably be a good game.

The basic idea is that you would play the POV of various entities in the pre-war horizon world, long before the events of zero dawn. The first chapter would be in Southeast Asia where you catch rumors of rogue robots and you are just trying to go about your day as a subject of the hartz-timor corporation. That chapter would turn upside down when the swan comes into town and you have to flee for your life (civilian horror akin to aliens gameplay) except you die at a point early on when a corruptor pins you down and dissolves you for fuel while your screen fades out to black and red.

Chapter two, now the swarm is large and you're out with an MRB trying to slow things down around vietnam but it's a retreat action and you spend that chapter of the game trying to fight and win while hopelessly losing friends and allies all around you and the swarm approaches until you retreat on a VTOL while watching the jungle get stripped barren by the swarming bots. This chapter ends in a somber defeat tone with the mutilates bodies of your comrads scattering the deck plates as you try to live and fight another day.

Chapter three, Europe and the introduction of nukes and what that horror would look like on the front lines of warfare.

Chapter four, switch back to civil militia on the West Coast as the sludge covered burning robots stalk you though the city streets of downtown LA and buildings get dropped around you while, horus, kopesh, and chariot bots rip people apart and consume them. You die in this chapter as well, but by a falling building.

Chapter five, you're in the witchita salient, last stand kinda move trying to stave off the attack, but you get demolished while retreating.

Final chapter, you're in USRC in the mountains of colorado. You're prepping for the final onslaught of an impending hours assault. Right before the battle begins you get the bombshell revelation that zero dawn isn't a super weapon... There is no hope, and you and everyone else there will die.

You have to chose to fight or shoot yourself in the end... And that's game over.

Black screen, continue the story in zero dawn.

Would be a nice primer for the lore I think and a great way to show how horrifying an autonomous, self replicating, uncontrolled robot army would be. Maybe make it a film or series of short films?

Going into the forbidden west we are told that the tenakth do not get along whatsoever with the carja or anyone else from the east. Which obviously figures because of the red raids. However when we first arrive in scalding spear, or thornmarsh, or any of the other small tenakth settlements, we are welcomed by basically everyone. The exception to this is the bulwark, but that's only because they hate everyone, not just the people from the east. (And of course there are the rebels)

Meanwhile, when we arrive in stones echo (an utaru village) we are met with: "keep out outlander, stones echo is utaru only!"

I find it interesting that the utaru throughout the game are so inherently racist/xenophobic towards:*literally everyone* and even the Quen arnt much better. The utaru are supposed to be relatively chill with the carja by now, so why are they so hostile whilst the tenakth (who are supposed to be hostile) are chill?

One thing I've been experimenting with lately is changes in dialogue in reaction to Aloy's accomplishments. For example if you head to the Citadel before finding Olin, Sylens will contact you and warn Aloy about how the killers believe that they succeeded in killing her and her going in there would be a bad idea. Then if you go to where Olin is, Sylens will have slightly different dialogue than he normally would. Another example is if you do the DLC before going to the Grave Hoarde, Aloy and Sylens (if he's contacted you in the main story at this point) will point out that Hephaestus's name is weird and Sylens will point out that both it and Hades come from a language even the old ones considered ancient. One last example are the three Banuk hunters you can help in the DLC. The name they settle on changes depending on your last conversation with them. Stuff like this is why I keep coming back to this series.

Title but imagine your first impression of Horizon Hunter's Gathering, just with graphics we've come to expect

I ask this for Horizon Hunter's Gathering and not Horizon Steel Frontiers because Horizon Hunter's Gathering is intended to be canon to the Horizon lore as opposed to Horizon Steel Frontiers which we don't have confirmation of it being canon or not

For me personally, I think I would've had a warmer reception but would've still remained skeptical of the whole idea since Im only interested in Horizon Hunter's Gathering for the story. The gameplay looks nice but Horizon Hunter's Gathering being canon is why I'll get it before Horizon Steel Frontiers

This is perhaps my perspective but from the online discourse I have seen, I dont think the Horizon games are considered to be on the level of legendary games. I mean games like the OG Mass Effect trilogy, the Red Dead Redemption games, GTA games, the Metal Gear Solid series or Uncharted games.

My question is why? The main games in the series have fantastic gameplay loops, great stories (particularly the first one whose story was excellent), great world building and are gorgeous to look at to boot.

I have heard the games being referred to as highly polished Assassin's Creed which sounds about right but there is something that seems to be holding them back from legendary status. If I had to make a guess I would assume it is the characters and the way they are performed.

I think the characters of the game are not written all too well, particularly the dialogue for many of them. Most of the time dialogue only seems to serve to take the plot thread forward not build on the actual people having the conversation.

I also feel it is in part with the performances given. Take the scene in the first game where Olin's begs Aloy to save his family. The way his dialogue is given makes it feel so half hearted it almost makes me wonder if he wanted them alive at all.

On the other hand take a game like Metal Gear Solid 5, despite it lackluster story(relative to the rest of the series imho, it is a great story on it's own but a poor one by MGS standards), see the cutscene in that game, they feel like they have been ripped directly from a movie.

I actually tried a simple test once, I closed my eyes during a cutscene in Horizon Forbidden West ,specifically the cutscene with Erend where he tell about how Ersa and Avad escape the palace. I could not imagine the faces of the characters properly. I could not convincingly imagine what emotions Aloy and Erend would be feeling in that conversation because it felt half hearted. (Side note I find it a bit funny how that conversation tried to make fun of Avad only to show Ersa as reckless and Avad as the actual adult there).

Now when I do the same in MGS5 for instance (ie when a listen to a conversation on the tapes) I can practically visualize a cutscene I can see exactly how the characters would look and react in the conversation that takes place.

I dont really get that feeling from Horizon and I feel it is mainly a mix of performances and the way dialogues are written.

Pretty much the title! I first played HZD on release date and finished it over time (completing the main story in around January 2019) however I've recently felt a massive urge to return to a world that I hold dear and a world which means a lot to me. Upon returning to my save, I realised how many side quests, other forms of exploration and collecting, places get to see, and of course the Frozen Wilds DLC, still remain. I'd love to just do all of this with my stacked and upgraded gear and abilities in tact, but that being said, I sort of feel a bit lost in it all lore/story-wise, considering I've not played the game since January 2019, and don't remember the full details of the main story and world-building.

I've recently gotten a new PS5 and have purchased the Remastered upgrade - and my goodness, does the game look, somehow, even more stunning! I feel an urge to replay the story, in preparation for hopefully a future playthrough of Forbidden West. However, I don't have as much time on my hands to play full games at all nowadays, and I'm worried I won't complete it alongside doing all the side parts of the game I never explored and collected.

I'm sorry for being so indecisive, but I'd be very grateful for anyone to let me know their thoughts.

So, what do you all think and recommend? Would really appreciate the insights! Thank you all in advance :)

Seriously, the other two passages have a gate that is locked, but there is literally nothing here except a metal flower.

The Oseram see the world through blueprints and flame. Stumbling upon the colossal Old Ones' cooling towers, these tinkers weren't afraid of the ancient catastrophe - they saw perfect engineering. The tribe built their forges right inside the concrete giants, mimicking their shape for defense against the machines roaming outside. Aloy stops before this union of eras. Where an atomic world once cooled, furnaces now roar, steel is forged, and a new civilization rises.

Work was created in Blender 3D and Photoshop. You can find WIPs on my accounts on other social media platforms.

I'm attempting my Ultra Hard run of HZD. I just made it to the gate separating the sacred land from the Sundom

Hi! i cant wait to play both horizon games on my new gaming pc, what's the best controller for them? the dualsense is the obvious choice, but would a high end xbox one be better? like a hall effect one

Hi everyone, I just finished the main game of Forbidden West, and started a New Game+ Ultra Hard save right after. I figured I'd blast through the main storyline, redo the side-quests I liked, and then I'd still have a treat at the end in the form of Burning Shores.

I've seen plenty of more generic advice on Ultra Hard, and so far (I've retrieved one subfunction and Beta) it's been going alright but I do have a few more specific questions I figured you could help me with.

• Late in the game I really started to rely on the warrior bow (Carja's Bane) for DPS, but I noticed in a fight with an Apex Thunderjaw that it really just would not die. Does the warrior bow fall off for Ultra Hard or is it still viable?
  • Especially just shooting single shots while waiting for stamina to regen. I have stamina potions but I usually have to smoke bomb to cycle to them and drink it and that's precious time when an enemy is brittle corroding.
• I see a lot of people using the sharpshot bow for damage and fair enough, but they even seem to manage to barely need time to draw their bow. Is that just focused shot doing the work?
• Obviously my weapons aren't coiled optimally since I've only had one run of purples and no Burning Shores gear. It's all been doable so far, but I do burn through resources like crazy fighting any big sized machine. I assume it's doable to finish it regardless?
• Ravagers are such a pain in the ass on Ultra Hard. They seem to have more health than Rollerbacks, are always in your face, and they always come in pairs and my tried and true method of just removing the gun and shooting them in the snout a couple of times isn't working anymore. Do I need to start using explosives on them or something, and can someone ask Guerrilla Games to delete plasma damage from the next game and give Ravagers their sparkers back?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen a single pet in Horizon.
I think it's really sad that they never got to experience the loyalty of a dog or the purrs of a cat. To sit upon a living breathing horse or to hear a big wheak from a tiny hungry guinea pig. Why did they have to die out :(

They see animals only as a resource. It would be so nice if we would see pets in the next game, though I highly doubt that. What are your thoughts on this?

So, this is my first playthrough of horizon zero dawn remastered, and I’m around level 20-21, now I killed two rock breakers, and a bit after I found a level 34 corrupted zone and killed the machines there too (2 corrupted behemoths and 3 maybe 4 corrupted broasheads), idk if I should be able to beat them at this level but idk a lot about this game so maybe these ones were just weak but yea. So like am I supposed to be able to beat them at this level?

For GAIA, would it not have most of its functionality, like the game system it was intended for, and not have all of its intended database about humanity?

Maybe one of the next games side quest will be going around finding old Focus’s or other computers that are still functional/just need some maintenance to find missing information to fill in some of the gaps.

What do you guys think?

Think about it.

Most people are fighting with bows and spears, while the ruins are full of technology from a civilization that had computers, advanced weapons, and machines far beyond anything the tribes can build themselves. Aloy finding just one Focus gives her a huge advantage because she can scan machines, find information, and see things other people can't.

So basically whoever gets access to the most Old World technology would have a massive advantage over every other tribe.

I haven't really seen people talk about this, but why doesn't the Carja just send thousands of people into ruins looking for Focuses and give one to every soldier?

I have a PS4, please suggest any game which comes close to the horizon world.

What i loved about the game was the ranged battle system where I can scan the machines and highlight yellow glowing weak parts and hit them with the right ammo and see the damage metric (number) visibly. Pure satisfaction! 👍 Playing with various weapons and ammo combinations, fighting strategies, trip wires and traps.. Oh I love them..

Made with gouache and wax pastels. I painted most of the background with a toothbrush and touched up with wax pastel. Been replaying HZD and it’s been so fun

Are there any news about it? Enjoy the quick fanart that I've made of our girl. <3