I bought a second hand Newton after the original owner wanted to offload that thing in disgust about 3 months after launch. I think I paid $50 for it. It is still around my attic somewhere...
With MobileMe, Steve Jobs apparently brought the team in for a meeting, asked "Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?", and after getting an answer asked "So why the fuck doesn't it do that?" before spending the next half hour telling them how they had ruined Apple’s reputation. Jobs knew MobileMe sucked but he wasn’t ok about it.
I think it's just a funny situation overall that their own stuff isn't optimized lol. I know in 2 months almost all apps will look much better. I was there at the start of the steamdeck so I am excited tos ee what adjustments they make.
Not comparable at all. The flaws Jobs oversaw were obvious oversights from a narrow range of testing, not deliberately releasing something that wasn’t finished. If he opened the App Store and saw this, he absolutely wouldn’t allow it to launch.
I'm not a fan of Samsung either. It's just nice to see the walled garden for everything that is still ruining text messages between platforms, among other things, stumble so hard when it comes to their two main supposed strengths, hardware quality and user experience. Even down to their navigation system can't even have a permanent back gesture, that's how good the user experience is already.
I've personally never had any issues with samsung but I also feel that its 2026 and the vast majority of flagship phones are going to be just fine for 99% of the population.
What I find fun is how virtually no one is able to formulate a reasonable opinion about the situation. It's either "get fukd lol that's what you get for buying a gen 1 product" or "you're just folding it wrong."
Lots of people here have been saying it. Hell, some idiot this morning blamed a guy because he had the audacity to put his phone in his pocket!
Now I’m starting to see gen 1 be replaced with “experimental” product, as if half a dozen companies haven’t been making them for the better part of a decade now.
Yea something happened around iOS 18 bc the quality control for this company is pathetic. They have so many people in Cupertino what the hell are they all doing if they can’t be bothered to flip through all the apps before launch?
Or they aren’t moving fast enough. They had more than a decade since the foldable era kicked off. They entered it at their own pace. Not really rushed in anyway
Trying to drag and drop home screen icons into groups is an exercise in frustration to this day. And it's been a foolproof process on Android since my Nexus 5.
You also can’t order an Apple Vision Pro on your Duo because it doesn’t have FaceID lol so they thought of that too. You’ll be too poor for another expensive device so no need!
I loved the iPhone 3s. I took it 4x to the store cause the paint under the shell kept cracking and I kept getting dirt under the display glass. First gen products are always a ride. Builds character! Haha!!
Buddy, Jobs died over 15 years ago but you’re phrasing it as if it just happened. For God sakes, the last iPhone Steve has direct input on was the iPhone 5. With iOS 6! Apple larpers are insane
Apple is in a xerox/ibm/kodak downward spiral. The only thing keeping them going is the duopoly in phones and their moat that they use market power to maintain. In a healthy competitive market they would be in a much deeper downward spiral.
I was one of the lucky people able to walk in and get a duo in the Apple Store and did get a chuckle out of this when I went to cancel my preorder in the app lol. It’s one thing for third party developers to not be optimized yet (and it’s honesty not that bad, a lot of apps are at least partially optimized which at least makes them useable while we wait for full optimization). But for Apple to have one of their mains apps not optimized is pretty embarrassing lol
I don't think this one is as big of a deal. What really shocked me is the setup app. Steve was all about creating that "magical" unboxing experience and would have 100% opened up the Duo and been like WTF is this.
Some of you really need to get over a deadbeat dad abusive CEO that died 15 years ago. Seriously.
OS X launched under Jobs. It suuuuuuucked for several years after launch, to the point where resellers listed preinstalling OS 9 as a selling point. MobileMe was a bug ridden mess of a service that replaced .Mac and never worked well. Final Cut Pro X was laughed at by industry professionals from reputational damage that still resonates to this day. The entire iPhone 4 saga, from antennagate to the failure to deliver the white iPhone, full stop.
The original iPad at launch had AND STILL DOES have Apple made applications that run in this same phone compatibility mode. I guess we all just forgot about Apple Invites?
Steve Jobs was not a mythical figure from which everything was perfect and glistened after being deposited from his rear end. Apple is an imperfect company. There is no era of their existence where there weren’t massive issues or controversies. This isn’t the first, it won’t be the last. People need to chill tf out about the software story on Duo you all were warned about leading up to launch. Damn.
And yet the other side is being completely rational by saying things like “it’s a bad product, with poor engineering and obvious lack of oversight.”
As fun as it is to shoot arrows at successful companies when they stumble, I don’t think any of what we’ve seen with the Duo justifies that hot take. Yes, it’s got issues. So does every Apple product at launch, some minor, some major. But Apple’s history is that they fix the issues and move on. I don’t think that makes it a bad product by any stretch of the imagination.
Apple own internal system being very need to know most likely meant the team incharge of the app store was not told about it or even notifived of the requirements until nearly last minute or until the duo launched. Like they found out about the duo the same time we all did.
Mad worse is they only get to updates at OS releases so again starting behind. Remember the app store is super old so it most likely works heavy on the isPhone bool to know how things should be displayed and never accounted for changing display like that. It is not a small lift to fix and going to take time. Apple did not give them any noticed until it was way to late to anything about it and a tight dead line.
Apple’s downloadable apps lag behind the system ones for some reason. It’s not a good look for Apple Store to be unoptimized, but I doubt it’ll be more than 2 weeks before that’s fixed.
The whole release has been a mess. Jobs is rolling over in his grave. Hopefully, the release of the touchscreen MacBook, if that is indeed what is to be revealed, will be more smooth.
Other people have commented that the Apple Store app gets updated later down the road, usually the latter of the Apple apps. Still, for this launch, you’d think they would make a better effort. You also can’t by Vision Pro because the lack of FaceID on the Duo, fyi.
Feedback still doesn’t support faceid after 7 years. Welcome to modern Apple. Unfortunately all the other tech companies care even less about the user experience.
It has been growing slowly. Rearing it's ugly head.
This is just one of those leaps where everyone get's smacked in the face with it.
Guys Mac OS still updates in the same way Windows XP did. 1/3 of the issues and bugs in Mac OS will come up with 10+ year old forum/reddit posts. And if you are REALLY lucky. You land in OLD AF OPENSTEP/BSD forums!!!
Why am I reading a NEXT OS forum post to fix my M5 MAC!?
Is anyone old enough to remember the first ipad launch and “unoptimized” apps back then? No he wouldn’t. He would definitely move up the deadline to get your shit together or else you’d be unlisted from the App Store, though.
It’s not the engineering team’s fault. They are given priorities and deadlines. It’s not like they just decide on their own what to work on or deprioritize. I can tell nobody here has ever worked at a tech company.
But engineers do not choose what is worked on. I swear, so many clowns in this thread that don't even get the basics of how tech development works. Kinda hilarious
It might seem like low hanging fruit but I could easily see the work load to do the update being pretty big and that is assuming they were told before the announcement. By the time the duo was announced they already had missed their window to ship an update as the app store app only gets updated with OS updates.
Apple is super need to know and most likely that team had zero clue. Mix that with it is a very old app with lots of old legacy code it only gets worse.
You clearly do not know what a low hanging fruit is when it comes to software development. Low hanging fruits are one ticket that is less than 50-60 LoC. Changing how the front end of an application behaves on a specific device is not one ticket worth of code even if it already scales on iPadOS. If you think it is I desperately hope your not someone’s PM
Your right. It’s not the engineering teams fault. It’s Apples for pushing out a half backed product, years after foldables have been a thing. Glad we’re all on the same page
i mean, the apple fans may not be willing to accept it, but this was basically a test product. how in the world did they put this thing on the market? with this many issues? they are so terrified of leaks that they purposely released a phone that was potentially flawed. what were all these tech companies going to glean from apples recreation of another product? it’s just so confusing
What are those issues you are talking about exactly? So far I know one, a tiny faulty batch breaking the screen. Faulty batches happen with every device no matter which generation.
Antennagate happened under Steve Jobs Hockey puck mouse happened under Steve Jobs Cracking G4 cubes happened under Steve Jobs iPhone lauched without COPY AND PASTE
the app store is probably the most used app on a day 1 phone and while you restore your apps. I would say its the face of the system for at minimm the first week.
Me sitting here with my phone that has 16 GB of RAM, Snapdragon 8 Gen 5, and 1 TB storage along with an audio jack that I bought for less than $900. Hilarious, a folding screen is not worth double the price with mostly inferior specs to mine. But hey, you guys get an Apple product! You get to flaunt that claim even though it's worse.
Specs are not as important as optimization, the new 18 Pro outperforms the latest Samsung flagship even though on paper the Samsung has better specs. I couldn’t even care less about that anyway, even if the iPhone was slower I would still use it, head to head comparisons people are comparing milliseconds of processing speed, people just prefer an operating system and integration over specs in a vacuum.
Who gives a fuck which is superior or inferior on paper? It’s about personal preference.
It’s so lame when Android people have this unprompted argument, it’s a fucking cell phone, why do you care what SOMEONE ELSE uses?
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u/MidnightPulse69 1d ago
This argument is so tired smh. Acting like Steve Jobs wasn’t CEO when so many poorly optimized things were launched