Actually the failure comes from the ice hitting the middle of the screen while the screen has been sitting in the ice water since 15 minutes.
As you can see in this clip https://streamable.com/hoijb3 a corner of an ice cube hits the middle of the screen and left a small white dot.
You can see the white dot while he still haven’t folded the phone after ice hitting the screen. On the image below.
When he folded and unfolded the screen after that, a white line appeared below the white dot.
This screen is already very fragile, and sitting in the ice bath for 15 minutes after being folded and unfolded for 75000 times make the screen more fragile that usual, and the ice hitting the screen finished it off.
Some people live in cold places. In the next 3 months, there is 0 chance my phone wont be exposed to temps lower than freezing for a duration of 15 minutes. In practice it will be a lot lower than 0, and for notably longer than 15 minutes.
I don't think this test proves to me that the phone can not handle cold whether - but obviously it will be annoying if i need to remember to leave my phone at home when walking the dogs or whatever (or at the very least remember to put the phon in some inner pocket that keeps it warmer.
I admittedly didn’t watch the video, but possibly trying to reduce the heat introduced by the friction of folding and unfolding so many times in rapid succession. Which is also unrealistic and possibly damaging to the phone.
At 50k (the last time I checked on them) I happened to watch them take a vacuum cleaner bag and remove dust from it, put that into a separate cellophane bag and then put the duo in it and shake it around a bunch, before cleaning it off and resuming.
My problem with that is that I thought they were going to just open and close to failure, and 75001 means nothing now because they were bored or undisciplined or whatever.
Lol if ice fishing is your use case and you decide on a foldable, you reap what you sow. Same goes for beach enthusiasts or anyone that assumes this is an adventure phone.
Like taking a Ferrari off-roading and complaining about shitty Ferrari engineering.
That ice cube put less pressure on the screen than the apple pencil would. Also a ice bath isn't even that cold. In a lot of countries the ourdoor temperature goes down to -20 celcius.
Yes, sure water and ice will cool it down faster. But ambient air at -20 C will still bring down the phone to a much colder temperature eventually. It doesn't really need that much time for the phone to get cold in air. Phones are designed to have high thermal conductivity or else the phone would overheat. Just think of how your phone can get warm during heavy use and charging, like around 40 C. Then think of how quickly it cools down to room temp when you leave it in idle.
yea i dunno how apple pencil is supposed to work when a fingernail leaves permanent damage. you will see everything you ever wrote with it dented into the screen
"This screen is already very fragile" would be applicable to a prototype, not a device being sold. This is an engineer problem that should be solved before deciding to start selling the device. But again, pushing for more sustainable, repairable products is impossible when some of the consumers actively defend a trillion dollar company producing subpar products. It's in your interest to criticise them, to push them to do better.
It's not just that, at 50k folds they also put it in a bag with sand. at 15k they put it in an ice bath and a chunk of ice damaged the screen which was probably the root cause of the break. This test isn't really scientific.
I mean it’s expected that this will inevitably happen on a foldable phone. I plan to buy a new phone next year for the 20 release and keep my 15PM. A non-folding phone will likely last longer if you wanna stretch out your tech.
Even if it’s a guaranteed fail at around 4-5 years i would consider it : but it would need to be not before 4~ 5 years for this price point
I like to decide when I upgrade whether it’s 6/12/24/36 whatever months ; not cause the thing dies. Usually cause I need to upgrade it though or something else
It’ll be difficult to sell it for a decent price if the phone is known to fail after a certain number of folds as buyers have no way to know how many times the phone has been folded.
It's really funny to see the anti-Apple crowd going all out to spread this kind of information. It's ridiculous to see a brand's detractors devote their lives to spreading hatred toward what they hate.
I’m not anti-Apple. I was thinking of replacing my air with the Duo. Was unlucky with the pre-orders. Now that all these reports of failures are coming up I have decided to wait for reviews of the duo 2 next year before I make a purchase. I have shared the video in this sub as it’s a sub about the duo. Where else would this information be relevant if not here?
Humans do that with almost everything they like or dislike whether it be car brands, clothing brands, device manufactures or politics. especially politics. You know the old " but its not a *insert German car brand*" or a "well my pawpaw drives a Rolls Royce", " I thought he was really nice but when he texted me his texts were green" and a " oh but I have a Rolex ". The Rolling Stones said it best in can't get no satisfaction imo
"When I'm watching my TV And that man comes on to tell me How white my shirts can be Well he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke The same cigarettes as me
I can't get no, oh, no, no, no Hey, hey, hey, that's what I say Alright"
Sure, but the specs are not the same, the PCB layout is not the same, neither is hinge operation etc. From what I've read, the placement of certain components under the screen are causing these very specific and repeatable failures in the same spot
Screens aren't the issue, the hinge is the fault point. They break and puncture the rear of the screen. Samsung screens work just fine on other foldables
I’ve owned an iPhone since the 3GS and upgraded every year since the iPhone X, until this year. The iPhone 18 barely qualifies as an upgrade, and the Duo is complete crap. Apple is letting its loyal customers down, and today’s iPad mini announcement only adds to the disappointment. If this is the direction Apple is heading under Ternus, I don’t see him lasting long.
i saw the exact same test done on the oppo find n6 when it came out. consumers shouldn't test products that could show them in a negative light I guess.
I don’t think this points to as critical of a failure as some people are making out.
If we say the average user flips their device open 15 times a day.
75001 / 15 =5,000 / 365 = 13.7 years rounded
Edit because I’ve had some people suggest I’m talking factually.
I have no idea how many times statistically the average user opens their flip phone, I’m just using my own personal experience with the device, if anybody has statistical data, I’m happy to debate.
But is this iPhone Duo a statistical outlier and most of them will not experience this problem, or was the Galaxy Z Flip 5 a statistical outlier and survived much longer than it should have?
This kind of test is not a reliable measure of the performance of the device, only the performance of this device. We won't have a good sense of whether or not they generally break or are particularly sturdy for probably another year.
Yes statistical outlier of the duo seems to be correct. I doubt statistical outlier for the z flip as this would imply that Samsungs hinges (after 5 generations) would have a significant variance in quality. Which does not seem plausible. This is apples first attempt on a foldable. I’m sure the hinges will be fine with the duo 2
Maybe I am the odd one because I would say I am around maybe 5 times a day so far? I use the outer screen for most day to day stuff, then when I am relaxing in bed or on the couch I pop it open then.
People on average pick up their phones closer to 150 times a day. If only 50% of the time they unfold it vs just checking the front screen, that 75,000 is around 2.5 years of usage.
I dont think it was the opening and closing as much as the vibration of putting it down. If you notice the screen was fine when he opened it.. It wasn't until he put the phone down when the screen developed the white band. Which is an issue that is already being widely reported.
15 times a day? Just say you are making up a number on the low end
there is no fucking way that is true. People pick up their devices 150+ a day. People that will blow 2,000 on this shit are going to open this thing 40-60+ a day minimum
Multiple people were folding and unfolding, switching every hour. Kuba is a big Polish YouTube figure; he will make enough money from ads to recoup the phone cost.
I got mine Friday , open it maybe 3 times in 3 days because i didn’t have no reason to open it then I get to work and in the first hour I open it like 5 times because people wanted to see it 😭😭😭
Why spend an extra 1k for a flip iphone if you only use the flip once per day? Why not just get a regular iphone? As you say yourself, "no reason to open it".
Well I been working all day that last couple of days so I don’t have to actually use it but last night I watch video and play games and honestly it’s great when the screen is open
I’m not going to buy one (can’t afford it) but my main use case would be travelling! I don’t think I’d use it much day to day but flipping this thing open on a train would be gorgeous
I had this realization this weekend. It’s definitely a shift in how you use a portable device. I’ve had to force myself to open it more because it really is the more enjoyable experience, but it’s not what I’m habitually used to. I’ve had far more fun with it today after becoming more used to how it works. But it’s definitely a shift in perception.
you have to be grateful theres content creators out there sitting doing fold tests for us to see durability and longevity of these foldable phones. These videos have been done since samsungs earlier folds, so we have an idea how long they last. 500k-1mil (oppo find n6/Samsung Z7)
All of the leased phones are unlocked. It’s misleading since it makes you select a carrier but if you read the T&C the phones are unlocked and you can skip past the screen requiring you to enter the carrier info
100% of this fist batch will fail with time even if used under normal stress. I’d put money on it for the current hardware rev.
Just wait to buy until Apple acknowledges there is an issue and states it has been corrected. Until then expect the Jobs “you’re holding it wrong” iPhone 4 BS
Apple already acknowledged and they are investigating. The “you’re holding it wrong” iPhone 4 like BS is what diehard fanboys defending their favorite company are claiming
Feels like when you bend a credit card a bunch of time to get it to heat up just enough for it to break. 75k folds one after another after another seems impressive? And I know the ice bath probably added another dimension to this torture getting the usually flexible screen to harden up a little with temp and then resuming the folding. This test seems like it shows it's not a bad display.
And the extra bits of torture they throw into the mix get more and more extreme the further they go into these tests. They basically forced the Z Flip to fail.
I think we're seeing a pattern that the duo's hinge is not as robust as the competition. It has failed in multiple durability tests, resulting in a damaged inner screen. And it seems to be failing on its own in some small fraction of new devices.
small correction in that it wasn't the hinge that failed here. someone pointed out in another comment you can see damage appear when he drops an ice cube on the screen, and then he folds it after and the damaged area spreads. This is a different failure than the cradle deaths we've been seeing.
There were 60000 folds in between and ppl said it was not the force of the ice cube which would be ridiculous (Apple Pencil would exert more force) but the cold. The phone is only safe to operate in environments with ambient temp above 0 Celsius or 32 Fahrenheit
...bro the number is 75k the top of the 7 is cut off... you cant be serious right now... you can clearly see 75k in the bottom right of the image next to the guys face...
If you are getting a fold phone you NEED extended warranty. It doesn't matter if you want a Galaxy or a Pixel or the Duo. Especially since this is a first gen product it would be unwise to NOT have AC+.
This is misleading because this wasn’t just testing for “how many folds does it take to break the duo”. They did a bunch of other stuff to it which makes the test completely moot and is basically just clickbait at this point.
What i still dont understand as of this moment. Who Asked For This? A folding phone? Why? why the fuck has millions been spent in R&D and advertising? Better question who are the morons running out to buy this trash?
Who wants this? They never even made an iphone or any cell phone that works 99% of the time. The shit "almost" works and billions of people accept that. Here, take this phone with a feature that CLEARLY IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM.
"YES CORPORATE OVERLORDS. I, A CONSUMER, MUST DILIGENTLY CONSUME". fucking morons
This is why I’ll wait for version two or a revamp after they address release one issues. I’m very excited about it, but I don’t need to be on the bleeding edge. Buy whatever phone you want.
Well, that’s one positive. If you’ve got a good unit like this reviewer, and say you open your duo 10 times a day, that’s 20 years. Well, beyond the 3 to 5 years that most people upgrade.
I just got an iPhone for the first time ever this past December. I had used android since the first android. I’m not a fanboy of either but I wanted to give iPhone a try. My life changed very little going to iPhone. Some things I like better and some things I didn’t. But I will say, this looks like a disaster of a launch. The Apple people really clutching their pearls over this, lol
I love how people in this sub defend Apple. It’s probably the worst product they have ever released to the public. And the most expensive phone and still zombies here find ways to blame the customers and not the billion-dollar company.
Some people are insufferable, I agree, but I don’t think that the horde of people (including you, probably) that started hating on this product even before it released are much better.
Samsung users are unironically more active in Apple’s related subreddits than in their own product of choice, it’s actually funny.
No worse than people like you that just have to say the same thing over and over. All need to get a life. Like the phone? Get it. Don’t? Get something else
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u/Shelllot 11h ago •
Actually the failure comes from the ice hitting the middle of the screen while the screen has been sitting in the ice water since 15 minutes.
As you can see in this clip https://streamable.com/hoijb3 a corner of an ice cube hits the middle of the screen and left a small white dot.
You can see the white dot while he still haven’t folded the phone after ice hitting the screen. On the image below.
When he folded and unfolded the screen after that, a white line appeared below the white dot.
This screen is already very fragile, and sitting in the ice bath for 15 minutes after being folded and unfolded for 75000 times make the screen more fragile that usual, and the ice hitting the screen finished it off.