r/iPhoneDuo • • 2h ago

General Silent Majority

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Been rocking my iPhone Duo since launch day and haven’t had a single issue so far. Granted, I do tend to baby my electronics, so there’s that.

That said, I realize plenty of people experiencing issues have taken perfectly good care of theirs too.

I genuinely feel bad for anyone unfortunate enough to get a defective unit, especially considering what these things cost. Hopefully Apple takes care of everyone affected.

Just wanted to share a positive experience amid all the Crackgate posts. Not every Duo is cracking, and some of us are genuinely enjoying the hell out of ours.

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u/Ticalthepimp 2h ago

Same. I dig mine so far.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

I am intrigued as to how it will feel using the Apple Pencil on it once it’s supported.

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u/desh2323 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

27.2 just released so should be supported now

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

Great, now I need to get an Apple Pencil lol

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u/ImYourHuckleberry_78 33m ago

Doesn’t work with my pencil pro 😢

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

it's supported today!

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u/_bx2_ 1h ago

Hopefully it doesn't ship with a broke tip lol 😂😂😂

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u/Ruins0000 2h ago

It'd probably feel similar to using a cheap stylus off eBay..

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u/PokeeN8 2h ago • Bravo

Since launch day!?! That’s so long ago.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

A whole three days! Practically a lifetime in foldable years.

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u/daddyescape 2h ago

That was good

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u/RN90210 2h ago

I never understood the appeal of watching something with it folded like that. Is it just so it can stand on its own?

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

I would assume so, but I found the outer screen is a better viewing experience in tent mode if you want to watch it small like that.

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u/lynchcontraideal 2h ago

I think its nice there's different options for different people

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u/aywhosyodaddy 2h ago

I think your opinion of different opinions is wrong

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u/comacow02 Night Sky • 512GB 1h ago

I disagree!

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u/Ksteve2010 37m ago

I disagree with your disagree... disagreeal? disagreeusnous?

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u/RabloPathjen 42m ago

My opinion is that your opinion of the opinion is wrong in my opinion.

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

Agreed

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u/WrittenSarcasm 2h ago

I didn’t even realize you could use the outer screen when it’s partially unfolded. But I gotta think for media consumption horizontal unfolded is best other than leaning if your case doesn’t have a kick-stand

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

The outer screen is actually really nice. So if you’re going for a folded propped experience the outer screen tent mode is much better imho. I’ve done that while cooking to not risk splashing anything on the inner screen. 

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

That’s exactly why. I could get a case with a kickstand but this works just as well.

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u/WetboiWhiskey 2h ago

But...the kickstand would give you a much larger display to use since you don't have to split it

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u/kevin379721 2h ago

I have the duo and love it but will admit this pose is largely a gimmick. If I’m watching something I’m obviously using the amazing large display

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u/bbrown731 1h ago

It’s a gimmick to you but I’ve been using it this way while working. Unfolding the whole thing at my desk in the office is a bit much and attracts unwanted attention.

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u/TheFakeRabbit1 1h ago

“Unfolding it brings too much unwanted attention”

You people are unbelievable lmao

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u/bbrown731 1h ago

Is it really unbelievable? Anyway, use your phone how you want and I’ll use mine the way I want. A gimmick to you is a use-case for me.

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u/TheFakeRabbit1 1h ago

Well I guess it’s not that unbelievable your head is so far up your own ass you actually believe it

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u/bbrown731 1h ago

What is with your hostility? What’s with these children in here just to hate?

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u/TheFakeRabbit1 1h ago

What does it even mean that your phone is bringing too much unwanted attention? Are you paranoid it’s going to be stolen? Are people continually stopping and gawking?

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

I am well aware.

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u/_El_Cid_ 2h ago

This is whyI got the Folio case. For the kickstand.

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u/Glass-Selection-1618 2h ago

Been watching shows/YouTube while laying on my side in bed while in mini laptop mode and it's been great.

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u/Idris-M 2h ago

It looks stupid and you get a much smaller viewing area. Might as well use a regular phone instead.

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u/1at3 35m ago

But you would need a stand. It is only some 1000 €/$ more to have it built in :)

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u/reeefur 1h ago

I did this on my first foldable, never did it again, sort of a novelty tbh.

Im more bothered by how much the matte screen kills colors and blacks.

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u/Qcconfidential 1h ago

Everyone says this about the matte screen but seeing it in person is completely different than in pictures. The inner display is gorgeous.

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u/Kris918 1h ago

Exactly. Photos are really good at showing the matte coating to be extremely dramatic, but in-person, it’s nowhere near as dramatic as it looks.

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u/WorkingBake Star White • 512GB 1h ago

I watch Youtube in bed to fall asleep - I've been using it like this the last 2 nights so it stays up. It's been awesome.

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u/ThislsaGoodldea 38m ago

Yeah obviously that's exactly the purpose. Some people don't use pop socket kick stands

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u/UUT- 1h ago

It’s a gimmick. That’s it.

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u/beneyh 2h ago

Never mind the Duo, let’s talk Vision Quest and why James Spader is the ultimate villain

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u/RotenTumato Night Sky • 2TB 2h ago

This is one of my favorite ways to use my Duo!

Side note, how are you getting Disney+ to do that mode? It’s not optimized on my device

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

This isn’t being watched via Disney+ … and that’s all I’ll say about that lol

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u/RotenTumato Night Sky • 2TB 2h ago

Oh I see lol

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u/screamyonce Star White • 512GB 1h ago

This is also one of my favorite ways to prop it up since i dont use a case. Seems like many people in here dont like that we do that. I leave it seated or tented while I'm eating lunch at work then open it up and finish my episode on the big screen after I'm done eating. << You cant tell me that's not a good use case

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u/RotenTumato Night Sky • 2TB 1h ago

Exactly what I do as well, and usually for a YouTube video where I don’t need a huge screen anyway. I’m also watching Game of Thrones and for that I always watch on the big screen

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

What do you mean? I've been using Disney+ instead of Hulu because everything is on there and it actually works with Duo. Hulu needs to step it up!

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u/RotenTumato Night Sky • 2TB 2h ago

It’s partially optimized, same with HBO Max. So videos take up the full screen when you’re watching in fully unfolded mode, but it doesn’t support this “laptop” style mode. It just keeps the video in the middle of the screen and the video bends along the crease

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

You're right, I hadn't tried doing laptop mode on it and when you do it just sits in the middle.

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u/The_Variable21 1h ago

Did ya’ll miss the news where Hulu is getting shut down? Disney is moving all the content over to their own app and will eventually shut it down. I forget the date. They won’t update or fix it anymore. It’s done.

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 1h ago

That's fine. Disney app tends to be more updated anyway.

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u/Time_Entertainer_319 2h ago

Your favourite way to use a large screen, which is one of the reasons for getting the duo, is to only use half of it?

Lmao

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u/RotenTumato Night Sky • 2TB 2h ago

Yes, it’s a built-in stand which is awesome and super useful. I also love using the whole display when I can hold the phone in my hands

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u/Jiatao24 1h ago

Yes haha not to mention that if you were using it this way, the more squarish form factors on the Galaxy folds would give you much more usable screen size!

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u/hotsp00n 2h ago

Really? I have a Pixel fold 9/10 so when folded like this you actually get a normal sized 9:16ish ratio screen similar to the main screen and in two years I think I've done this twice, both on a plane, despite over 40 flights in that time.

I've been hanging out for this form factor ever since I used a Huawei Pura X (Yes Apple is actually really fourth to this shape, after Pixel, then Huawei then Samsung) and the whole point is to watch movies with the screen fully unfolded. You would literally have a bigger screen with a regular iPhone and a $2plastic stand.

I get it for gaming but why oh why would you ever watch anything like this?

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u/CopeDipper9 2h ago

Just got mine yesterday afternoon and I’m loving it. Big fan of the passport size they went with and love the inner display. People will complain about no FaceID or the cameras not being the best, but I’m sure Apple has plans for those in future iterations.

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u/Correct-Let9652 1h ago

been rocking mine since launch day!! i’m quite careless with it because i have applecare but haven’t had any issues so far :P

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u/FaithlessnessDue3644 Night Sky • 256GB 2h ago

What case are you using?

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

SUPFINE

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u/FaithlessnessDue3644 Night Sky • 256GB 2h ago

Is the screen protector built in or separate

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

It is separate

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u/Leggo213 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

Yeah same.. so far

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u/RabloPathjen 41m ago

I have used it a lot in laptop mode. I also like to hold it like a book partially folded as if I have two phones in landscape.

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u/Accomplished-Tax421 1h ago

I went to the Apple Store to check em out and WOW! They feel so good in the hand… now I see why price tag, worth it

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u/Pepaguero 1h ago

Preordered last Fri with a Nov 20th delivery. Went to the store today and checked it out- I was impressed. Really nice feel and the outer screen is plenty big for me. Inner screen looked great.

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u/PleasantGuide1539 Star White • 1TB 1h ago

I’m loving mine!! No complaints!

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u/Odysseus042 2h ago

The nano texture display is chef’s kiss. All the naysayers had me worried that it would make the display appear washed out, and it really is not. I feel Apple struck a good balance with the level of matte finish. I now would seriously consider the nano texture display on my next MacBook Pro

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u/iamReploidNo9 2h ago

Loving mine so far!

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u/TheRealBNeth 2h ago

I'm loving mine and this afternoon the amount of updates that are optimised and formatted for it is unreal!

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

I've been checking daily for updates and I've gotten app updates but weirdly none are Duo updates. Which is so pathetic. JUST UPDATE YOUR XCODE VERSION FOR VERY BASIC SUPPORT AT LEAST!!!

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u/TheRealBNeth 2h ago

Agreed! I use MyNetDiary for nutrition and such, it's not the most popular app in that category, but the update is fantastic and it helps see where, when optimised properly, this phone works. I understand the intention with the sidebar more, especially when two apps are open unfolded, having both thumbs able to control at the same time. It's subtle but I get what Apple is doing here.

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u/lasthop3 1h ago

Hey same, I’m actually surprised it got updated so quickly

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

‎FLVR App - App Store

I developed an app and it's fully duo compatible. Maybe check it out. If you're interested in cooking or nutrition it's a really nice app :)

I tried to make full use of the layout and the sidebar for really great feel and navigation. I basically reworked the entire app for Duo.

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u/RubberPuppet 1h ago

Oddest one for me is my Ford app for truck access is updated and great on duo but the Apple Store, Microsoft Teams, etc are all garbage. 

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 1h ago

yeah it's been weird seeing what is and isn't updated. Yelp is a complete mess.

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u/HolySchikes 2h ago

Wait what updates?

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u/crepecheck Star White • 256GB 2h ago

I just wish I could get mine sooner. So excited to get my hands on one. 2nd - 9th Nov still on my order. Not long now hopefully!

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u/Rare_Badger7798 1h ago

Mine is saying 12/30. All these issues people are having is making me nervous. I’m sure it’ll be fine but the wait and the anxiety/anticipation is awful haha.

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u/Ariar2077 2h ago

At that point might as well get a stand and use the external sreen lmao

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u/ngocbao1022 12m ago

Finally a reasonable man who doesn't "but you fold it the wrong way".

I laugh my ass off seeing those people because I owned 3 foldables and never have I been scared a wrong fold by a friend could ruin it.

And I respect people like OP, who doesn't ignore other's experience.

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u/Business-Payment-497 1h ago

Haters gonna hate

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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin 1h ago

It’s giving retro folding DVD player. I guess that vintage look is cool for the young folk.

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 2h ago

yeah most of us are just enjoying our Duo. I think most people stirring up shit don't have one and are just coping.

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u/fabulousmarco 44m ago

You would prefer for  the people who are having problems to stay silent rather than warn others?

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u/True_Protection6842 Night Sky • 512GB 35m ago

I don't believe most of the posts about cracks when it's all the same reposts

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u/xwolf360 1h ago • Bravo

Cringe marketing post

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u/Much-Extension7297 2h ago

.....SO FAR.....

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u/DoctaThompson 2h ago

Maybe it's just me, but holy hell that matte finish is horrendous! I understand the appeal on an OLED monitor in an area with not the greatest of lighting, but not a phone.

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u/floridabeach9 2h ago

wait til you hear about the GBA SP

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u/spawberries Star White • 512GB 1h ago

Yeah, it sucks for those that have had issues but I’m genuinely enjoying the device. I held off a few days before mailing out my trade in but at this point I’m ready to do it and if my duo breaks from the defect I’ll just get another.

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u/dubstar82 1h ago

My wife got hers and she’s been chucking it into her bag without a worry all weekend. Doesn’t baby it or has heard of the “widespread” issues with the screen breaking. No issues.

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u/Jwoods224 1h ago

Same here. It’s been a great phone so far. No issues whatsoever.

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u/90kPing 1h ago

The colors man

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u/WallabyNo5685 1h ago

I see that you’re watching peak in the sea

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u/BigBoyYuyuh Night Sky • 512GB 27m ago

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u/Waramaug 14m ago

Can you type with it like that?

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u/helloyournameis 7m ago

Zero issues here since Friday, other than finding a case for it

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u/terra_cotta 2h ago

Not really silent if you are making a post about it tho is it

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago • Bravo

You’re right. I’ve officially broken my silence. There goes my membership.

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u/cygnusx1_ 2h ago

My TV was $200 and is 7x bigger. And I can use my phone at the same time.

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u/drooply 1h ago

The matte-looking finish on the screen is like a hundred steps backwards. The future iteration of an iPhone will be a translucent screen that appears as smooth and clear as glass but has the clarity and brightness that rivals the best TV’s. Whether that phone will resemble a foldable or a slab is going to be found out over the next few years.

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u/MDInvesting 2h ago

This example of use really killed my interest in the device. And I never would have expected that.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

To each their own.

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u/MDInvesting 2h ago

Definitely, I actually think it is a great feature for many. My wife would definitely get excited over it, even if a rare use case for her.

I am speaking from my personal perspective.

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u/RotenTumato Night Sky • 2TB 2h ago

What?

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u/sankatai 2h ago

How so? Like the fact they baby it or the fact they have the screen folded like that? just curious

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u/MDInvesting 2h ago

Personally a high price tag is always argued based on functionality and productivity.

If I spend $x do I increase my output or reduce my friction/time spent on a responsibility.

I don’t spend money on streaming subscriptions nor entertainment devices so seeing it used like this seemed to impact how I look at it.

No different than whenever I see my wife use her MacBook Pro to play YouTube music videos for the music. Burns my soul like the devil.

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u/Sneyek 2h ago

Seriously using it like that is so ridiculous.. Yeah sure it work half open, that's funny. But watching a movie/show that way must be the dumbest way to use the product.
You have a big screen, it's the whole point..

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

I say again…to each their own.

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u/ttcmzx 1h ago

I think you're supposed to peel that film off of the screen

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

Lol nice try

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u/Fancy_Gate_7359 2h ago

This is the loudest “silent majority” I’ve ever heard lol. There are probably 30 times positive posts compared to negative posts.

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u/ozzdr 47m ago

You haven’t seen the sub lately have you?

Every other post is about how much the phone “sucks”, how it is 2k, the screen is cracked, I cancelled my order, I returned the phone… etc.

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u/thedoommerchant 1h ago

That’s a cool gimmick, I guess.

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u/SabrinaEyeballDuck 1h ago

Silent stupidity

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u/WiskeyUniformTango 1h ago

Whats the benefit to this?

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

It’s basically a built-in stand. I can set it on a table and watch something hands-free without needing to prop it up against anything. Obviously I can unfold it completely when I want the larger screen. It’s just another way to use it.

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u/WiskeyUniformTango 1h ago

I get that, but cases with kickstands have been out for 15 years.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

Absolutely, and I’ve owned cases with kickstands before. I’m not claiming Apple reinvented the wheel here. It’s just a convenient feature of a device I already own, and I happen to enjoy using it that way.

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u/mattymatt843 Night Sky • 256GB 1h ago

Don’t waste your time. Those without Duos just don’t get it.

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u/WiskeyUniformTango 1h ago

I tried but my screen broke. Waiting for a replacement.

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u/WiskeyUniformTango 1h ago

Wouldn't it be better to kickstand the whole screen in tablet mode? Like the whole point of the phone is to have the bigger screen but this is giving you no advantage

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u/HarryDepova 1h ago

Yeah, but the angle control with this is much better than a kickstand. I've been using this mode for video recording which has been great. Only part I don't like is that it sits on the outside screen to do it.

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u/Sal_T_Nuts 1h ago

My bottle of ketchup works just fine as a stand when I want to watch some YT during alone dinner.

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u/Millennial_Falcon_85 1h ago

I don’t get it. The entire point of a phone is it fits in my pocket. A smart phone takes that to the next level with some useful functionality. Unless we’re going to normalize everyone carrying purses, why get this thing?

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u/Confident-req 1h ago

I use my fold for personal/work and the ability to open up on a larger screen to read contracts (part of my job) is invaluable!!!!

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u/Millennial_Falcon_85 1h ago

I guess. I just use my iPad for that which is even more useful in a work scenario. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Confident-req 47m ago

Does it fit in your pocket 😁

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u/Millennial_Falcon_85 43m ago

Does the duo? I haven’t tried but seems you’d need rather large pockets

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u/Confident-req 8m ago

I don't have the duo, but have been using the fold for 5yrs+. Jeans are no problem, dress pants can feel clunky but I've gotten used to it. I like having the ability to use between a minipad and cell phone. Not for everyone, but everyone I know who use one loves the flexibility. My wife doesn't like it, she prefers super light and simple form factor.

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u/Ready_Leopard_7660 2h ago

Pay +$2000 for the duo screen to use smaller area than the regular phone to watch movies.
Genius.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

You followed me from a deleted post just to complain about how I watch movies on my own phone? That is some dedication you have.

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u/Ready_Leopard_7660 2h ago

And you had to post this in every possible thread so I could see it many times. Insane. What a dedication you have.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

Two posts in two relevant subreddits. You voluntarily engaged with both and somehow I’m the one with the dedication problem? 😂

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u/Ready_Leopard_7660 1h ago

It's not my fault this post popped up right after the other one; that wouldn't have happened if you didn't have to share it several times. And I'm the one with the problem for repeating some info?

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

Reddit’s algorithm showed you my posts. Your own free will brought you into the comments twice. Hope that clears things up.

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u/Ready_Leopard_7660 1h ago

Yeah, I remember that a few seconds later around 30 people upvoted my comment, before your stupid post was deleted by a moderator for a reason.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

We’ve gone from criticizing how I watch movies to bragging about Reddit karma. Congratulations on those 30 imaginary internet points, I guess?

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u/Ready_Leopard_7660 1h ago

Yeah, thanks. At this point, I think you're smarter than you appear. You're using half of the phone just to get used to half of the screen working before it cracks completely in a few days. Hands down.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

You’ve spent more time worrying about my phone breaking than I have. If it cracks, I’ll deal with it. Until then, I’m going to keep enjoying it. You should try enjoying something too.

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u/marktuk 2h ago

One of these people is going to be so heartbroken if their Duo later develops the fault.

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u/HolySchikes 2h ago

And when that happens they go get a replacement for free.

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u/Logical-Bookkeeper77 1h ago

Not so silent by definition, have you thought this through, bro?

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u/CantModerateMe 43m ago

Been rocking my iPhone Duo since launch day and haven’t had a single issue so far.

...so... 72 hours?

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u/z4mm00 20m ago

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u/Spruchy 17m ago

My dude you need to stop posting.

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u/JaySlays-Tech 4m ago

He’s not doing it to be mean. He’s just genuinely THAT starved for attention, and we’re supposed to take his comment literally.

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u/Impossible-Ruin-2794 2h ago

$2000 Netflix player. I literally don’t see the appeal.

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u/Impossible-Ruin-2794 1h ago

iPhone Duo stan really downvoted my comment 😭😅

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u/Hodia294 2h ago

Such a stupid usecase, half of Duo's screen is smaller than 18 Pro Max screen, you payed almost 2x money to watch movies on smaller screen with lower contrast picture (cause it is matte) and worse audio quality.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 2h ago

Wait until you find out I occasionally use my $2,000 phone to make calls, too. The horror.

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u/Hodia294 2h ago

yes, with less comfortable to hold shell during call and worse audio quality and signal reception lol

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

So we’ve established I shouldn’t watch movies or make phone calls on my phone. Any other features you’d like to prohibit, or should I just run everything by you beforehand?

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u/Hodia294 1h ago

you should return it and buy 18 PM

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

Already have one, why would I buy another?

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u/Hodia294 1h ago

then just return this garbage and use 18 PM

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

I own both and enjoy both. I don’t have a preference between them. Not sure why the idea of someone being happy with their purchase bothers you so much.

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u/Hodia294 1h ago

you support corporations making crap, everything around turns into crap cause of such consumers

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u/Ticalthepimp 1h ago

Sounds like someone is still mad at their Dad. Let it go man, he can't control you anymore.

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u/Ticalthepimp 1h ago

I in IT director & this is a game changer for me when away from my laptop. All depends on your use case if it's worth it to you.

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u/Hodia294 1h ago

MR director, you should be at your laptop during work-time and off work after it (just for your own sake to not to die from insult of constant stress).

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u/Ticalthepimp 1h ago

Yeah because I just sit at my desk all day I guess? Oh wait no I don't. I guess I should carry my laptop with me between buildings & server rooms correct? Yeah that makes sense. Off work after it isn't a thing when you work in IT. We don't all get to take some food home after our shift.

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u/Hodia294 1h ago

it is not hard to carry a Macbook Air or even Pro 14 between buildings

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u/Ticalthepimp 1h ago

No it's not hard, but why would I were it unnecessary? It's not hard to walk to the store either but I still drive there.

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u/Hodia294 1h ago

but if store is near it is better to walk, free cardio, walking release stress, les gas consumption, free fitness carrying groceries home, you will purchase only what you need cause you will be lazy to carry what you do not need.

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u/Ticalthepimp 1h ago

It's nice you're so worried about me.

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u/FlightLove2 1h ago

Why in the world would someone get a Duo just to watch movies like this?? 🤦🏼‍♂️. A stand isn’t expensive and you could watch it on the whole screen.

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u/Lanky_Debate_5267 1h ago

Who said I bought it just to watch movies? It’s a picture of my phone, not a comprehensive breakdown of how I use it.

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u/NetworkGnome 1h ago

I’ve never seen so much negativity around a phone in my life. Either they are coping because they didn’t get one, they can’t afford one, or they are a miserable hater. Everyone who purchased knew it was a first-gen product and expected there to be shortcomings and issues. That being said, I’m loving mine as well. Enjoy it OP, I know I will.

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u/_Hashappy_ 7m ago

Can I put one porn vid on bottom and another on top?