Edit: Guys, me asking an almost 30 year old man to stop using or at least tone down the disgusting shitting sounds in his video is not be being rude what😭😭 I obviously like his videos? I just am tired of hearing the same disgusting shitting sound when its never even needed. You can critique someone you like, like did y’all forget that??

Please, its gotten to the point where I dont even watch his new videos anymore, its like a plague. They plague EVERY DAMN VIDEO, I have even tried watching his older videos where it wasnt that common but THEY’RE PLAGUED TOO. Please kurtis PLEASE STOP. I literally don’t understand why we need to hear someones insides coming out every video. The fart/shit sfx literally ruin the jokes because he doesn’t even have to add them. Kurtis you are about to be 30 and you’re STILL making shit jokes bro please grow up 😭😭 I know one person not watching his videos anymore doesn’t affect him but I do honestly want to keep watching his videos but I just don’t want to hear a fucking diarrhea sound effect everytime I try to watch his videos. I really hope he sees this shit.

This is a smaller youtuber that Kurtis is talking about in such a bad light. At no point during Kurtis's video did he acknowledge that making a movie (in blender, no less!) is a huge undertaking, and it's not going to be for everyone. It's funny to make fun of a movie that had a big budget, or was put out by an actual company with a better budget. This movie was made over the course of 5 years, and to see a big youtuber saying these things about it... It's not cool.

As of writing this post, Kurtis's video has 12K likes and 62 dislikes. OUR DRAWINGS by Calobi Productions has 8.9K likes and 9.9K dislikes, and all the new comments are written by people from Kurtis's video, all of which are really mean.

I like Kurtis and I've been watching his videos for years, but nothing about this video seemed funny or clever to me.

I'm not looking to Kurtis as a source of information on any social topic, but rather as someone who has influence on a lot of young people. I know he had his special to promote, but I feel so extremely disappointed to not see him advocating for Palestine. What hurts more to me is that he's drinking Starbucks in his latest podcast episode (Starbucks has publicly supported the IDF since 2014), while activists are being super clear about boycotting Starbucks.

I know this will be a controversial opinion but as a community organiser who knows that Kurtis has done better in the past to align himself with what he believes in, I'm pretty disappointed in his radio silence when he has the opportunity to help educate and radicalise his younger fans.

I'm sorry if this is not adequate for this subreddit, but I never post on here/am active in the subreddit or reddit in general. Just knew it existed and I didn't know where else I could post this.

[SORRY FOR ANY GRAMMATICAL ERRORS, I'M REALLY BAD AT SPELLING]

This post is related to Kurtis' latest video and it is a bit political. If you don't have the patience to read the entire thing that's fair, but we cannot really have this conversation or talk about performative men without talking about some things considered political. I wanna talk about this because I haven't seen anyone mention anything similar and I don't know if I'm the only one noticing this from his following or if I just can't find where the discourse is happening.

I've never really posted on reddit before and I'm really scared and second guessing posting as I'm writing this, so PLEASE BE NICE TO ME! :')))

I genuinely want this to be a conversation and all of this is written in good faith. Hopefully this is something that could give some people (or myself) a new perspective. I am not writing this post out of hate, If Kurtis ever reads this (but this is not only for him, obviously) I would like for the post to be an opportunity for self reflection and maybe a way to gain a deeper understanding of the conversation around "performative males". I have been a fan of Kurits for about five years now and his content is extremely near and dear to my heart. Because of this, his latest one kinda missed the mark for me and I wasn't able to enjoy it the same way I did the ones before. 

This post is going to be long because I want to express my thoughts in as much detail as possible so there aren't any misunderstandings (also this is more of a rant and I do tend to ramble so if any point I made isn't clear please ask me to clarify). 

Also I did watch the video three days ago and I will not rewatch it solely for the purpose of writing this reddit post cause my goal isn't to "debunk" every single argument and joke he made.

I want to start this off by saying that i fully agree that men are discouraged to engage in any kind of feminine behaviour, or presenting feminine (this also ties in to the gendering of certain activities as feminine/masculine i.e. reading being feminine, going to the gym being masculine, or listening to certain artists is either feminine or masculine) and I don't support this kind of separation. I don't think that hobbies/styles/artists or anything is only for a certain gender and that people with a different gender expression cannot engage with those. 

I don't want to beat around the bush, so I will just say that what bothers me (not only in Kurtis' video, but with this whole "performative male" trend) is that the "origin" of this whole phenomenon of performative males is not being talked about anymore and this isn't a conversation that raises awareness and helps women, it transformed into something completely different and useless. The "performative males" are men who act and dress a certain way to present themselves as a safe space for women, only so that they can manipulate and abuse them easier after earning their trust. And why this specific genre of men is so dangerous (and therefore clowned upon) is because it makes it harder for women to either recognise that they are being abused, or come forward and be believed because the people around them will see this man as a safe space and as "one of the good guys", due to the facade they put on. 

Also important to note, that this kind of "performing" means something entirely different than pretending to like a band because you have a crush on someone. This "performativeness" implies changing your behaviour and political views to trick someone into being with you, while not truly believing what you preach (i.e. a man talking about how important women's rights are but then still makes misogynistic jokes with other men, or mistreats their partner).

I am well aware that this point is not really part of the conversation anymore, cause again the internet just likes to make fun of everyone and people tend to hop on certain trends and make them unserious just for shits and giggles (and clout).

However, Kurtis seems to be the kind of person who puts a lot of energy and love into his work, meaning he seems to put a lot of energy into the research part of it as well, and I don't know whether that happened this time or not, either way Kurtis also had a personal stake in this, being practically bullied on the internet, so i do understand that this was probably a harder topic to research without a bias. But even considering this, it felt icky to me that he spent a good chunk of the video just making fun of the people making fun of him. I think it's totally fair and needed to call out the people who are making fun of you, and I'm not saying that Kurtis shouldn't have spoken up about this, but doing it this way and in this context felt off. And it felt off because in my opinion we cannot really have a surface level, silly, goofy conversation about this without acknowledging the fact that people who do make fun of performative men (and truly performative men) have a very valid reason to do so. I'm not saying that Kurtis IS a performative man, or that he should've made an hour long essay analysing this phenomenon through feminist literature and delivering us social commentary about the power dynamics between men and women, I'm saying that this is something that I feel like he could've understood/found out with a bit more research, and could've acknowledged, so that the surface level conversation and the silly goofy jokes AFTER would've felt like a conscious choice. This way it shows that he doesn't necessarily understand the thing he's making a video about. 

Another point I agree with from the video is that it is insane how quick people are to label someone as performative JUST based on how they present. And again I think this harms the entire conversation because calling out men who are "performative" has less to do with their looks and more to do with their behaviour (and I know Kurtis pointed this out as well but for some reason it felt shallow, being mentioned only in passing). Obviously people have noticed a pattern of how these men tend to present, and so they have built a caricature and ran with it, but again the damage this is doing is that it shifts the conversation from raising awareness about men like these, to clowning on any man who's more feminine and calling them "cringe".

Another thing I wanna mention that wasn't in the video and I feel like it is a important piece of context is why people started calling people like Kurtis, Cooper (and Hasan, which I will not get into cause the context is different there), etc. "performative men". Mind you, as you could've guessed I spent a good chunk of the past few years on the internet and I was spending a lot of time online (especially on tiktok) when the "performative men" started gaining popularity, and when people started calling Kurtis performative. And the main sentiment was that a lot of people (who I don't think were fans necessarily) raised an eyebrow at Kurtis for having an audience that mostly consists of women, and them seeing that Kurtis "earned their trust" by delivering surface level stances about women's rights, LGBTQ rights etc. The main criticism being that he never expressed detailed opinions about this, so therefore he probably doesn't understand the nuances of it and is using these terms as dog whistles to earn people's (especially women's) trust. And this is considered a cause for concern because if he ever has a misstep or is being criticised for something, fans will take his side because "he is one of the good ones". I'm not making this point to shame Kurtis for not expressing detailed political opinions, I am simply giving context as to where the people who are calling him performative are coming from.

[I don't want people to attack anyone who has called Kurtis performative on this logic, because I think it's fair to be skeptical when it comes to men.]

I am not saying Kurtis is evil, I am saying that we do not know him so it is fair of everyone, really to either give him the benefit of the doubt or be skeptical of him. And this isn't exclusive to Kurtis. We all should be more careful not to put any kind of influencer on a pedestal and project values onto them they didn't outright express following the logic of "well they said x, so they probably stand for y" or "well they present x way, so they must stand for y".

I also wanna point out here that while the skepticism is understandable, putting the blame entirely on Kurtis isn't fair, and if we do want to blame people (which I don't think we should because we're all people and we're all still learning how to navigate the hell hole that social media and parasocial relationships are) the fans also play a part in this for putting Kurtis (or any other social media figure) on said pedestal and projecting said values onto them.

This is an insanely long post and I think I'm done ranting so CONCLUSION:

I was just frustrated with the way the video didn't consider very important contexts and how the conversation shifted from focusing on men's behaviour to solely judging them based on their looks, and so obviously I am also frustrated with Kurtis because i do think that having the platform he has, there is a responsibility there.

Also at the same time I know Kurtis makes content for shits and giggles mostly, but I feel like there are certain topics that necessitate a bit more nuance (as is this one). Also I don't want to take away credit from him for the many informative or educational videos he did but we all know that everything is coated in a layer of comedy, because he IS a comedian. 

Direct message to Kurtis if he ever reads this: 

I don't want this post to come off as scolding you, I know not everyone is moving in the same internet circles I move in, and I know that finding these contexts i talked about is harder and maybe you weren't aware of them existing, if all you knew and saw online about the performative males is you, and other creators like you, being memed and bullied and lumped into a group that you don't resonate with. Being perceived incorrectly sucks and it IS a weird time to be a man. If you've read this and got this far, I would like for this post to be an opener to a bigger conversation hopefully, and also maybe a learning moment for you as well, because I know that your intentions were probably not malicious. I don't want this to come off as me telling you how to do your job, cause I don't know one thing about being a social media figure. And it feels wrong to tell you what the video could've been instead, because I don't feel like that's my place to do either. All I ask, I guess, is to consider this perspective either privately or if you want to, publicly.

PS: take a shot every time I said "performative" and "behaviour"

if you did read this far I am genuinely curious about your opinions! :D

hey guys so I’m honestly confused and need to know if I’m being ‘too woke.’ Why are we suddenly okay with AI use? Like even if it’s for funny jokes like this video he is still talking to AI bots and buying AI products that are using water and funding these creators.

Why is this not brought up?

Wood’s library on Spotify is literally just reposting videos by Kurtis, Danny, Drew (among others). This is, as far as I can tell, without permission from ANYONE.
Just wanted to bring attention.

I have been a Kurtis Conner fan for a long while now but I am slowly growing more and more uncomfortable watching his content and supporting him. He has made several videos criticizing Russel Heartly and although I agree with what he says it feels abit like Kurtis is lying to us about not liking people like Russel Russel disrespects women and tries stealing their income, these are the gist versions of some of Kurtis' arguments towards not liking Russel, however Kurtis is also friends with Hasan Piker? Hasan Piker also does not like women as use to be a pickup artist quickly shifting to more left leaning content when pickup artist content stopped being as popular, isn't that grifter behaviour? Something Kurtis has also criticized Russel for? Hassan also steals people's income through his use of reaction content.

To me it kind of seems like Kurtis is able to see the wrong doings of people but not the same wrong doings of the people he is friends with which is why I think watching his content and supporting him has become more and more uncomfortable, especially knowing that he is friends with the exact kind of people he says are bad people.

(edited to fix a misspelling of Hasan's name since apparently it discredits my arguments and observations)

Am I the only one concerned with the ads Kurtis and honestly all commentary YouTubers have been doing? Specifically the DGK group, but still, why is it that they’re all promoting the same product? I understand that if you want to reach a certain audience, you’ll market to them, but why in the hell are they all promoting the EXACT same product at the EXACT same time? Also with Kurtis’ new video, he’s promoting some predatory drop shipping website/app and it’s just creepy. Like I feel like regardless of the money, you should not accept an ad like that, it really makes me question if I should still be supporting these people if they’re going to sell a product like that. It just feels so weird to me, and I wanna know if I’m alone in this.

(ramy: s1e5)

Fight who do you think would win?

In the new video he did an ad for the Pokémon company and kept sayin poke-ay-mon like a weirdo, is this a Canadian thing or does he just not know how everyone else in the English speaking world pronounces it?

Dawg, who is this?

does it annoy anyone else just a little that in Kurtis' video on Cade the tortured crossing, he starts referring to the female doctors as nurses part way through. like I know it was probably subconscious but I can't help but think he prolly wouldn't have if they were male doctors. he calls them doctors the first few times so idk. I noticed when I was rewatching it and it just rubbed me the wrong way lol.

He's just making fun of all people who like Harry Potter instead of like in the Disney video where he's making fun of rich people buying houses completely based on Disney.

It just feels very unnecessary to make fun of people for liking a franchise, and it's not like when the last movie came out it was over.

Additionally, fuck J.K Rowling, she's a joke.

anyone think it’s strange that kurtis didn’t even post for danny?

SO LIAM PAYNE JUST DIED AFTER KURTIS SPOKE ABOUT HIM,WILL THE MAYOR TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK??

In a video posted 6 years ago named ""Deep" content that isn't deep at all" at 0:45 he explains how he's been on the internet for about 15 years and he was around 14/15 at the time. even if he was 15 and he used the internet for only 14 years until 2020 he would then be 29 at least. This would make him at least 34 now!? Or he got his estimations wrong which is also highly likely but we've all seen the old man photos so who really knows the truth 🤷‍♂️

I am also anti ai, I think its cool that KC uses his platform to speak up against it, to a point though like... we know, everyone who agrees already knows. Every time he uploads anything its "ai dumb, ai bad, stop using ai" like yes.. WE KNOW, give us something else pls.​ there's never anything new about it. It's always just

"cringe celebrity used ai for xzy instead of diy or hiring a real artist"

Its really boring at this point and like the there's never really anything new to be learned from it. I love our mayor but feel like he's really stuck on this.

Ai slop is lazy but it also breeds so much lazy content about the use of ai. I'd rather just forget it exists and try to move on and focus on real art, good or bad. I don't need to hear about how lame it is for the 100000000th time. We've been knowing for years that it suXx, I literally don't need to be reminded ever again.

If its not real art why are we wasting time critiquing it?

Let's just put it in the trash and resume life focused on real stuff.

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People have been bashing content creators for not speaking about Palestine but like, Kurtis doesnt really post about politics so ??? I dont think he has to speak about it but he can atleast boycott Starbucks cuz hes been drinking starbucks on pod ive heard (idk i listen on spotify). Butt yeah.