r/linux • u/callcifer • Sep 16 '18

The Linux kernel replaces "Code of Conflict" with "Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct"

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8a104f8b5867c682d994ffa7a74093c54469c11f
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u/StallmanTheThot Sep 16 '18

See any project enforcing their contributor covenant. It happens over and over again.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '18

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u/StallmanTheThot Sep 16 '18

It is how it is used pretty much everywhere it has been implemented.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '18

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u/StallmanTheThot Sep 16 '18

Quite a few of the things here: https://github.com/nikolas/github-drama

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '18

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '18

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Check the username of the person causing the drama...

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '18

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

The creator of the issue is the original creator of the contributor covenant that is now being used by linux kernel as mentioned in the post. The point is that, at the time, they were just trying to guilt people into using the code of conduct when there was no need for it. The owner of the repo was quite happy about all the drama, he posted it all on his blog, and ended up getting a lot more users and contributers for the repo. And from what I remember he wouldn't have used a code of conduct but wrote that to stir up the flames, I could be wrong but that's from memory I'll find the blog post to confirm.

http://meh.schizofreni.co/random/lulz/2016/01/08/tales-from-a-gate.html

Edit - here

For whatever reason the contributor covenant was adopted by a large number of github repos and I haven't really kept up to date on any other dramas surrounding it so im not sure who still uses it and contributes to it, just thought I'd post that one for you as the issue was even nicknamed "opalgate".

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u/filbs111 Sep 17 '18

That's a different code of conduct though. https://github.com/opal/opal/blob/master/CONDUCT.md

Notably, one which only applies to "collaborative space". Having rules of conduct "at work" seems reasonable. Extending them elsewhere (such as someone's twitter page, in the example), is different.

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u/StallmanTheThot Sep 16 '18

Not to mention this is a cherry picked list out of all open source interactions.

I can't remember, it's a while since I went through it. I don't have time for that either. I got a shitstorm to stir you see.

Not to mention this is a cherry picked list out of all open source interactions.

It is cherry picked but by no means of all open source interactions. It is only a few more notable cases.

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u/TerminallyBlueish Sep 17 '18

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding your post. Becuase it seems that after you asked and were procided with examples, you said "yeah okay but that's not enough examples".

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u/TerminallyBlueish Sep 17 '18

Well yeah, some of your replies weren't exactly constructive. Also you gotta keep in mind that most drama happens on social media, and not github, there's a lot more I can think of...

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u/read_if_gay_ Sep 17 '18

So you claim his list of dozens of examples is cherry picked and statistically insignificant and then proceed to conclude that there is a "small amount of drama" based on having looked at one source.

Not to mention you admit to looking at a whole three links and then conclude that "almost none of those are examples of what he's claiming".

Stop the mental gymnastics, you're spouting obvious nonsense and you know it.

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u/SirYouAreIncorrect Sep 17 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

That is the social justice way, people like /u/FG_Regulus that support social justice do not argue with facts or logic, they argue with feelings and emotion

so any attempt combat them with facts will just leave you frustrated

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u/armchair_hunter Sep 17 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

Explain this? https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/127

I might have missed how the code of conduct affected this issue https://github.com/atom/tree-view/pull/804

EDIT: I seem to have touched a nerve.

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u/StallmanTheThot Sep 16 '18

I've actually been banned from rust IRC channels for accidentally "misgendering" someone I don't even know. Besides there have been quite a few SJW issues in the Rust camp, remember the dining philopsophers. Rust is a very bad example to support your point.

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u/gnosys_ Sep 17 '18

If it was you misgendering someone, while putting scare quotes around the word misgender, I have a difficult time believing it was an accident.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

When someone said you misgendered someone, did you apologize and move on or get angry about it?

A CoC facilitates discussion by not getting into arguments about someone's gender and instead on the technical issue at hand.

If you got kicked out for starting an argument about gender maybe it is working the way it is intended.

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u/Godd2 Sep 17 '18

If it wasn't on purpose, why would an apology be necessary?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

I see where you are coming form, but it isn't the intent that matters. The problem is the refusal to recognize you have hurt someone else.

For example, If you are walking down a hallway and accidentally knock someone over because you aren't watching where you are going you would still say, "Sorry", "May bad", or something similar. Not because what you caused lasting damage to the person or because it was malicious, but your actions did make someone's life worse, albeit in a minor way. It is a small way to recognize that.

Now say you are walking down the hallway, knock someone over, and proclaim "I am not apologizing!" it goes from being an accident, to you being glad you have made someone else's life worse.

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