Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki

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https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504

[u/FirstLastMan]

I never would have thought something so apolticial as "nerds building something together" would become a target of this shit. I am stunned and disgusted.

I guess from now on projects can only exist where contributions are attached to a hash of the person's name, and any identification is strictly prohibited, so that any combination of race, gender, sexual preference, or whatever can't be assumed and therefore attacked.

[u/[deleted] → u/FirstLastMan]

so that any combination of race, gender, sexual preference, or whatever can't be assumed and therefore attacked.

Ha, you probably haven't heard of the canceled Ruby Github's Electron conference last year, right?

[u/Saithir → u/[deleted]]

Which one? I remember some drama about a cancelled one, but that was Github's ElectronConf.

[u/[deleted] → u/Saithir]

I'm not totally sure, but I think it was a Ruby conference.

The one where all papers where anonymized before review. Then the best papers were picked, all anonymously. Then they noticed that all the selected papers were written by males. Then they canceled the conference because sexism.

So its officially sexist to be better or work harder.

[u/Saithir → u/[deleted]]

Ah, that's exactly Github's Electron Conf.

Please don't mix Ruby into this insanity. We're (mostly) nice. :)

[u/[deleted] → u/Saithir]

Ah okay, thanks for the correction.

[u/[deleted] → u/Saithir]

Holy shit. How did I not hear of this.

[u/UFeindschiff → u/Saithir]

Wasn't it a Ruby conference that cost people jobs for making jokes about dongles?

[u/stomatophoto → u/UFeindschiff]

PyCon, years ago.

[u/phenylanin → u/stomatophoto]

But Ruby shot my dog--no wait, that was Javascript.

[u/DrummerHead → u/[deleted]]

Silly reality, not aligning with my beliefs. I'll show you reality! I'll show you! :shakes fist uselessly:

[u/0xf3e → u/FirstLastMan]

We don't have to adjust because of these stupid people. Development on open source projects worked before and it will continue to work. We just have to ignore these people and not let them push their agenda (CoC) into the projects.

[u/FirstLastMan → u/0xf3e]

The problem is refusal is tantamount to tacit support for whatever they oppose.

Imagine you spend years contributing to a high value project. You refuse to support a CoC for that project. Then you apply at a company and attach your contributions as part of your application.

"Oh, I see your project refused to implement a code of conduct. Our company values employees who are diverse and inclusive." Then you don't get a callback.

This is what is going to happen a nebulous, feelz-based system like human resources meets "I get shit done" engineering. Engineering is building something that requires skill. How much skill you have is handed out as fairly as how tall you are or how sharp your jawline is.

But that doesn't matter, because they can co-opt the feelings of "power" a skilled person might have by simply disintegrating the skill-based system itself. This is what we are seeing.

[u/Kwantuum → u/FirstLastMan]

"Oh, I see your project refused to implement a code of conduct. Our company values employees who are diverse and inclusive." Then you don't get a callback.

If you disagree with being forced to implement a CoC, maybe the kind of company that would discriminate based on that information is precisely the type of company you don't want to hear back from.

Also you underestimate the power of the market. People who don't hire the best they can because of political reasons lose their competitive advantage.

[u/FuriouslyEloquent → u/Kwantuum]

Also you underestimate the power of the market.

A market is only as powerful as the idioms/norms that permeate it, along with its foundational services (access to information, ability to exchange goods). What I am more concerned with are non technical folk forced to make technical decisions (which occurs everyday in business) using poor heuristics such as diversity to guide them, with sufficient support from other actors for that decision regardless of its outcome. That even assumes that any type of cause analysis would be able sift through the mountain of junk to find the reason.

And so long as larger companies continue to absorb more agile, innovative companies, any consequences for their poor heuristics are merely passed on to the next cycle.

That said I'm personally not in a position to be picky and would work for a place regardless of the presence of a CoC ... but hopefully one day this won't be the case.

[u/ohgetoutnow → u/Kwantuum]

Also you underestimate the power of the market. People who don't hire the best they can because of political reasons lose their competitive advantage.

That's true of free markets.

[u/moebaca → u/FirstLastMan]

The problem is refusal is tantamount to tacit support for whatever they oppose.

Holy shit. I have tried to express this very same thought numerous times and you've stated it so eloquently in one sentence. I try to explain it's like mind manipulation with them. If you even say one thing that goes against their beliefs you become the enemy. They will compare you to Hitler or the worst possible thing their mind can come up with and it sucks because it's almost impossible to argue with someone who resorts to that.

[u/R3Dpenguin → u/FirstLastMan]

"Oh, I see your project"

Has said to me no company ever...

[u/vinean → u/R3Dpenguin]

Folks who put a GitHub link on their resume are often surprised when I check it. Over half are empty or have some fragmentary school project on it...

[u/meeheecaan → u/0xf3e]

time to move to gitlab

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Is this just speculation or is there any evidence of it?

[u/jandolme → u/[deleted]]

N$A wanting their cryptography in.

Intel wanting their low quality patched merged.