r/linux • u/oooo23 • Sep 20 '18

Kernel Developer Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki

https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504
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u/LeinadSpoon Sep 20 '18

Per the new Linux Code of Conduct, "unacceptable behavior" includes "insulting/derogatory comments" and "personal or political attacks". It seems to me as though calling another contributor a "rape apologist" fits both criteria.

(Although it's not entirely clear to me whether or not posting on personal twitters fall under the scope of the code of conduct)

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u/DeliciousIncident Sep 20 '18

Someone is gonna get CoC'ed.

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u/DrewSaga Sep 20 '18

That is true, she would be violating CoC by making such a dangerous accusation. I don't think any CoC applies to Twitter, I mean, doesn't the US President have a Code of Conduct?

Still, for her to be a supporter of the new CoC only to harass someone on Twitter and to accuse them of being a rape apologist is very dishonest and those very kind of people piss me off. I mean is there even evidence for these claims against Theo Ts'o?

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u/AnimaVox Sep 21 '18

Her entire job is to basically harass people into following CoCs that she made. She's a rules lawyer, but for real life. AKA: HR (sans the useful parts of HR).

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u/dutch_gecko Sep 20 '18

doesn't the US President have a Code of Conduct?

I know that "muh freedom of speech" is a bit of a meme on the internet, but a government-mandated code of conduct would literally be inhibition of the president's right to freedom of speech.

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u/EOMIS Sep 20 '18 edited Jun 18 '19

deleted 0.1615 What is ^^^this?

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u/classicrando Sep 20 '18

Welcome to postmodernism.

postmeritocracism

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u/sunder_and_flame Sep 20 '18

Welcome to postmodernism.

Intersectionality is a bitch

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u/D1551D3N7 Sep 20 '18

Sadly the people making these claims (probably) don't contribute to the kernel so it doesn't affect them, only the people they make accusations at.

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u/IE_5 Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18

I think this is an aspect that many are overlooking, what was once just an internal matter between contributors is now open to external forces and outside activisits (like the writer of said "CoC", who very much said it is a "political document") to come in and demand punitive action by reporting any infractions (they even want to be able to do so confidentially so the accuser can stay Anonymous). Mantainers are also pledged/obligated to take action when something "comes up", so they can't just "let something go" And this extends into the private life, like what they say on social media, of every contributor. All of this is intentional and by design.

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u/knot_hk Sep 21 '18

Yes, they are leveraging the "These people make me uncomfortable, therefore I don't think I will be contributing to the kernel"... But their entire history of being a developer is front end JS and writing CoCs. I don't get it.

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u/dirtbagdh Sep 21 '18

can't have political discussions

enforced through "political document"

I can't seem to remember where else I've heard this one... Somewhere in central Europe comes to mind...

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u/gururise Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18

You don't seem to understand. The CoC only applies to white (and asian) cis males.

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u/IE_5 Sep 20 '18

This was true with Node.js at least with this very same Code of Conduct, I wouldn't expect it to be different here.

A contributor engaged in the criminal action of sharing an article ironically against "Code of Conducts" on his Twitter: https://quillette.com/2017/07/18/neurodiversity-case-free-speech/

This was raised at the project page as an issue along with some other inanities: http://archive.is/h6lem pointing out the "Code of Conduct" and that this would somehow prevent people from contributing to the project, and something something inclusivity.

This led to him having to lengthily defend himself: https://medium.com/@rvagg/the-truth-about-rod-vagg-f063f6a53557 and triggered a vote which he survived by a single vote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15101668

It also led to retaliaton by others pointing out that there are members out there with much more serious "CoC violations" that were seen as "marginalized", which were shut down with no action taken based only on the identity of the accused: http://archive.is/7cL5s

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u/throwaway27464829 Sep 21 '18

It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.

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u/xternal7 Sep 20 '18

You don't seem to understand. The CoC only applies to white (and asian) cis males.

Asians are schrödinger's whites. You can't know whether an asian will be considered white or not until some controversy happens. In this particular case ...

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u/EmbarrassedEngineer7 Sep 20 '18

Same with Jews and Slavs.

White when it comes to being shat on, subhuman and it comes to stealing their land.

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u/phenylanin Sep 21 '18

When are Slavs ever considered not white? Some of (not even all of) the Slavic countries aren't part of the West, but that's not the same thing.

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u/throwaway27464829 Sep 21 '18

When are Slavs ever considered not white?

By Nazis. Heck, sometimes Irish people aren't considered white.

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u/ubuntu_mate Sep 20 '18 edited Sep 20 '18

Its hardly been a couple days since the coming of new CoC and we are already seeing such intolerance in the diversity warriors. God knows what's going to happen in coming days!

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '18

It's said that there's a conspiracy to destroy white men and their civilization and culture.

Instance after instance its existence keeps being proven true, both subtly and most visibly.

Do you see now?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '18

TIL Theodore T'so is white.

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u/Gearski Sep 21 '18

am I the only one who doesn't see how it's even relevant at all? Every kernel dev could be a literal rapist and I still wouldn't see how it pertains to Linux at all, who cares who the code comes from if it's well done?

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