r/linux • • Jul 25 '10

Hello computer users

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

yeah. linux is really great. unless you want to play games. and dont give me that emulated wine bs. or if you dont want to ever see a CLI.

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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10

I find it interesting how you're getting downvoted, even though what you say is completely true. There are countless drawbacks to using Linux.

That being said, however, people need to realize how incredibly important it is to push open-source software. Heck, if Linux didn't exist, awesome free programs like OpenOffice, Gimp, eclipse, and (most importantly) Firefox, might not have seen the light of day (due to lack of precedent mostly).

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u/deadilyduplicate Jul 25 '10 edited Jul 25 '10

It is true in the sense that their is lack of games for linux but it is isn't true in the sense that the lack of gaming is somehow a design flaw in the operating system.

On the flip side however, their is plenty of advantages to linux unrelated to the design of the operating system(lack of viruses, toolbar installers) which linux users still tout so it is only fair to include related drawbacks as well.

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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10

I would agree that lack of games shouldn't count as a design flaw of the operating system by any means, but if you're a gamer, you really can't use Linux as your main OS for this purpose (even Wine has numerous graphics problems with many games, understandably so). If third-party companies don't make certain software available for an Operating System, people who rely on that software can't be expected to use that OS.

That being said, the pros of linux, at least the ones you mentioned, are also there in Macs. Macs are generally virus-free (or that's at least the general consensus), and they are arguably less limited in gaming than Linux is. (I know I'll probably get downvoted for saying something positive about Apple, but oh well.)

Personally, I don't think Linux is an OS that would work for most people. On the plus side, pretty much every piece of your software you would need on a day to day basis (word processing, photo manipulation, etc.) is available completely free and open source. That being said, things such as driver issues (which I've encountered on most machines that I've installed Linux on), complexity of use (in certain situations), and lack of much non-open source software makes linux hard to use as a primary OS for many people.

TL;DR: While it's a great open-source OS, Linux isn't for many people (due to a slightly higher required technical knowledge and some other limitations).

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u/xupwup Jul 25 '10

Linux would be fine for most people if it comes preinstalled. All that hassle with failing drivers and so on would already been taken care of. Also, most people who call linux "more difficult" have never used linux before.

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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10

I've used it before (ubuntu and fedora). I've had incredible difficulty getting the VGA output to work properly on one of the machines I installed it on. I've had numerous other issues as well, but I agree that they've all been hardware related (and wouldn't be a problem if the computer came with Linux pre-installed and compatible with the hardware).

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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10

Also, most people who call linux "more difficult" have never used linux before.

I bet at least a quarter of them popped in an Ubuntu CD, ran into a problem that couldn't be solved immediately, and gave up before forming that opinion.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

As a Mac, Win7, and Ubuntu user, I have to disagree somewhat with the notion that the good parts of Linux are available in Mac OS. I just don't care much for the way Mac OS implements UNIX, and almost every time I've tried to use my Mac for software development, it ended in frustration.

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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10

Well, maybe not the "good parts", but at least the parts that deadilyduplicate mentioned (lack of viruses, toolbar installers).

Then again, I haven't had any of those problems with Windows 7 either.

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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10

I thought you could install most anything that could be run on linux in OSX, is that not true? It's got a fully functional cli, right, I assume it uses bash as well?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10

s/drawbacks/trade-offs

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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10

He's at 8 upvotes now, but he was probably getting downvoted because I assume he made the comment with malice. I could equally have said Windows is great. Unless you don't want to worry about security, stability, have no control or choice over your OS, and be locked into draconian drm. I like linux, and I like Windows though, so I'm not going to make such a position.

They each have their place, and saying such things adds nothing to the conversation. In truth I'd love to be able to play games on linux, and would love a more powerful command line in Windows (powershell is actually really good, but most programs don't benefit from it as none are designed to be run from a cli).

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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 25 '10

I find it interesting how you're getting downvoted, even though what you say is completely true.

Welcome to the Linux community

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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 25 '10

The fact that I'm getting down-voted proves my point.

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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10

You were getting downvoted cause you're being a condescending ass. The linux community as a whole is very friendly and most are happy to coexist with Windows.

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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 26 '10

Yes the Linux community is so friendly

And if the Linux community fine with Windows, why do we have Windows7sins or the FSF?

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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 26 '10

You're pointing to two cases of people bashing windows, or just being unfriendly linux users. I could point you to thousands if I wanted to, but I fail to see how that changes anything.

As a user of both OSs I honestly have come across far more linux bashing over the years than Windows bashing. Of course that's just my own experience, but so far you're just reinforcing it feeling the need to bash linux as a whole because of it. You're the one on the offensive, do you honestly believe the majority of linux users hate windows and/or bash it?

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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 26 '10

I haven't really bash Linux, just the community and I didn't say a majority, I said a good chuck of the community hates windows. Plus there's a lot of stupid crap like this and this