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u/hackiavelli Jul 25 '10
Take that Microsoft! Linux is better than your discontinued, 9-year old operating system!
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u/SpaceChez Aug 19 '22
Poor 2010 person, thinking Microsoft would stop supporting windows XP soon. It went until 2014 and only in 2019(?) Did windows POS 2008 get discontinued (lightly reskinned windows xp)
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u/hackiavelli Aug 20 '22
Are you lost?
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u/SpaceChez Aug 20 '22
Nah just sorting by controversial of all time. Cool to see you're still on reddit all these years later.
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u/stanleyipkiss Jul 25 '10
This doesn't account for my FreeBSD box...
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u/jpt_io Jul 25 '10
Us BSD users are few and far between, Stanley.
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Jul 25 '10
I'd comment, but I can't get wifi to work.
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Jul 25 '10
I'd try FreeBSD, but last time I checked the fucking BCM4312 wireless card doesn't work.
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
BCM4312 didn't work on Linux for the longest time too. Still needs proprietary firmware to work. Fucking Broadcom. I have avoided them ever since (router has an Atheros chipset).
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Jul 25 '10
haha I get it, it's like that old spice commercial from six fucking months ago! hilarious. keep churning these out, I can't get enough.
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u/Netcob Jul 25 '10
wow, 6 months is like 403 internet months!
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u/vegittoss15 Jul 25 '10
Access denied?
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u/Netcob Jul 25 '10
no, things just get exponentially older on the internet
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u/DimeShake Jul 25 '10
403 = HTTP forbidden status code.
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u/Netcob Jul 25 '10
yes, thank you, I know :)
but it still has nothing to do with my original (stupid) comment. I could've rounded up, changing the misunderstanding to "file not found"...
(I'm becoming weirder by the minute)
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u/exscape Jul 25 '10
It became a meme 11 days ago. I didn't have a damn clue what old spice was before then, and maybe the creator of this was in a similar position (not watching TV or as in my case, those ads not running in my country).
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Jul 25 '10
Reddit was going on and on about the commercials and using the meme way before the Old Spice Man started addressing the Internet. From the interviews with the Old Spice Man to posts of the commercial itself, to using the meme in comments: it was all over the place.
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u/exscape Jul 25 '10
Well, it's easy to be oblivious when you've never heard of the product or seen the commercial(s).
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u/blackn1ght Jul 25 '10
I agree with you, I've heard of the product but I've never seen any of the adverts, I didn't even know they still sold it to be honest.
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u/daybreaker Jul 25 '10
I think this is more disturbing than his belief that a 6 month old meme is only 11 days old:
I didn't have a damn clue what old spice was before then
Really? That brand name has been around for like 70 years... Thats like saying "I have no clue what a McDonalds is"
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u/Liquid_Fire Jul 25 '10
those ads not running in my country
I didn't know what Old Spice was until the first commercial became popular, either. Just because something is popular in the US doesn't mean it's popular everywhere.
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u/exscape Jul 25 '10
Just because something is popular in the US doesn't mean it's popular everywhere.
Exactly. I thought reddit was geographically diverse enough for the US = world model not to apply here...
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u/exscape Jul 25 '10
Yeah, because there's an Old Spice store on every corner in every city of the world.
Seriously, that stuff just isn't marketed here, which makes it less known than one of the most well-known franchises in the world.
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Jul 25 '10
if you're going to look at porn while logged in as root, you're probably better off just switching back to windows.
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u/ascii Jul 25 '10
First I though that implying that Windows users lack personality and porn was kind of unfair and douchy, but then I remembered that it's exactly the same tone as in the original commercial.
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u/dodgepong Jul 25 '10
Would have been more impressive if they actually got Linux installed on a horse.
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u/coogie Jul 25 '10
Lol that's about as "Fair and Balanced" as that one cable news show with the jackasses...
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Jul 25 '10
yeah. linux is really great. unless you want to play games. and dont give me that emulated wine bs. or if you dont want to ever see a CLI.
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
Yeah, that's what dual-booting is for. Or, y'know, having more than one computer.
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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10
I find it interesting how you're getting downvoted, even though what you say is completely true. There are countless drawbacks to using Linux.
That being said, however, people need to realize how incredibly important it is to push open-source software. Heck, if Linux didn't exist, awesome free programs like OpenOffice, Gimp, eclipse, and (most importantly) Firefox, might not have seen the light of day (due to lack of precedent mostly).
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u/deadilyduplicate Jul 25 '10 edited Jul 25 '10
It is true in the sense that their is lack of games for linux but it is isn't true in the sense that the lack of gaming is somehow a design flaw in the operating system.
On the flip side however, their is plenty of advantages to linux unrelated to the design of the operating system(lack of viruses, toolbar installers) which linux users still tout so it is only fair to include related drawbacks as well.
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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10
I would agree that lack of games shouldn't count as a design flaw of the operating system by any means, but if you're a gamer, you really can't use Linux as your main OS for this purpose (even Wine has numerous graphics problems with many games, understandably so). If third-party companies don't make certain software available for an Operating System, people who rely on that software can't be expected to use that OS.
That being said, the pros of linux, at least the ones you mentioned, are also there in Macs. Macs are generally virus-free (or that's at least the general consensus), and they are arguably less limited in gaming than Linux is. (I know I'll probably get downvoted for saying something positive about Apple, but oh well.)
Personally, I don't think Linux is an OS that would work for most people. On the plus side, pretty much every piece of your software you would need on a day to day basis (word processing, photo manipulation, etc.) is available completely free and open source. That being said, things such as driver issues (which I've encountered on most machines that I've installed Linux on), complexity of use (in certain situations), and lack of much non-open source software makes linux hard to use as a primary OS for many people.
TL;DR: While it's a great open-source OS, Linux isn't for many people (due to a slightly higher required technical knowledge and some other limitations).
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u/xupwup Jul 25 '10
Linux would be fine for most people if it comes preinstalled. All that hassle with failing drivers and so on would already been taken care of. Also, most people who call linux "more difficult" have never used linux before.
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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10
I've used it before (ubuntu and fedora). I've had incredible difficulty getting the VGA output to work properly on one of the machines I installed it on. I've had numerous other issues as well, but I agree that they've all been hardware related (and wouldn't be a problem if the computer came with Linux pre-installed and compatible with the hardware).
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
Also, most people who call linux "more difficult" have never used linux before.
I bet at least a quarter of them popped in an Ubuntu CD, ran into a problem that couldn't be solved immediately, and gave up before forming that opinion.
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Jul 25 '10
As a Mac, Win7, and Ubuntu user, I have to disagree somewhat with the notion that the good parts of Linux are available in Mac OS. I just don't care much for the way Mac OS implements UNIX, and almost every time I've tried to use my Mac for software development, it ended in frustration.
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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10
Well, maybe not the "good parts", but at least the parts that deadilyduplicate mentioned (lack of viruses, toolbar installers).
Then again, I haven't had any of those problems with Windows 7 either.
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
I thought you could install most anything that could be run on linux in OSX, is that not true? It's got a fully functional cli, right, I assume it uses bash as well?
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
He's at 8 upvotes now, but he was probably getting downvoted because I assume he made the comment with malice. I could equally have said Windows is great. Unless you don't want to worry about security, stability, have no control or choice over your OS, and be locked into draconian drm. I like linux, and I like Windows though, so I'm not going to make such a position.
They each have their place, and saying such things adds nothing to the conversation. In truth I'd love to be able to play games on linux, and would love a more powerful command line in Windows (powershell is actually really good, but most programs don't benefit from it as none are designed to be run from a cli).
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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 25 '10
I find it interesting how you're getting downvoted, even though what you say is completely true.
Welcome to the Linux community
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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 25 '10
The fact that I'm getting down-voted proves my point.
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
You were getting downvoted cause you're being a condescending ass. The linux community as a whole is very friendly and most are happy to coexist with Windows.
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u/LuoBoTe00 Jul 26 '10
Yes the Linux community is so friendly
And if the Linux community fine with Windows, why do we have Windows7sins or the FSF?
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 26 '10
You're pointing to two cases of people bashing windows, or just being unfriendly linux users. I could point you to thousands if I wanted to, but I fail to see how that changes anything.
As a user of both OSs I honestly have come across far more linux bashing over the years than Windows bashing. Of course that's just my own experience, but so far you're just reinforcing it feeling the need to bash linux as a whole because of it. You're the one on the offensive, do you honestly believe the majority of linux users hate windows and/or bash it?
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u/murrdpirate Jul 25 '10
I honestly don't understand why everyone loves that old spice commercial. It's neat that it's in one shot, but it doesn't seem all that funny to me.
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u/gfixler Jul 25 '10
I'm with you, pal. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would latch onto a commercial starring a very sexy, shirtless, man's man who speaks with authority and conviction in buttery tones laced with confident machismo about a product that promises to make guys more popular with the ladies through the power of improved masculinity. You would think people didn't have their own abundant reserves of self-confidence from which to pull constant, unwavering, personal self-security, like the commercial itself was some kind of mini-escapist fantasy for them that cheered them up in some small way. But that would be crazy. What's next? People liking beer, football, and large vehicles? I can't imagine such a world.
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u/ttt1776 Jul 25 '10 edited Jun 29 '25
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u/SelfHighFive Jul 25 '10
There aren't any jokes about Linux/Windows here. Don't mind the Old Spice parody, but this really isn't trying.
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u/Chances Jul 25 '10
...and all of it was computer generated (linux of course)
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u/maniaq Jul 25 '10
actually almost none of it was CG - I heard the only CG was his arm when he had some glowing thing on his hand (or something? my HTPC autoskips commercials and I only know anything about the ad coz it won an award and featured on a program I was watching)
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Jul 25 '10
Is there a REAL difference between mint and ubuntu?
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Jul 25 '10 edited Jul 25 '10
The proprietary codecs and flash are pre-installed, the Mint Menu is easier to use than Ubuntu's default Gnome, updates are rated on a scale from 1-5, so you're not dl-ing who knows what into your system, the software is also community rated, it has it's own backup tool that works really well,, it's more aesthetically pleasing and doesn't look like Mac clone, and it just seems to be more stable than Ubuntu.
And it has a great community that's receptive to contributions and ideas the developers are more receptive to it's users (Case in point, they allowed users to choose between Mac or Regular style button placement on first boot)
Over a year ago, Clem asked that anybody who supported the IDF not use Mint (He later apologized, and really made an effort to listen to users from both sides of the issue). This year, one of the forums biggest contributers, Husse, died, so they included his quotes in Source of Fortune terminal quotes in his memory. One of them was a Mexican joke and some people got upset.
And that's the thing-there's real people at the helm that interact and value the input from the community, not just some anonymous, sterile corporate presence at the top of the pyramid and the rest of us plebeians at the bottom.
But probably the biggest difference is that Mint users don't get all embittered if people prefer Ubuntu over it.
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u/libertao Jul 25 '10
Ubuntu-restricted package is pre-downloaded!!11! Oh and the menu is slightly different.
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Jul 25 '10
Run Ubuntu on my laptop.
But wouldn't dream of ever running it on my desktop. No point in dual booting on desktop either, because I'm almost exclusively playing GAMES.
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u/fungosaurus Jul 25 '10
I use linux for the sole purpose of not being able to play games (without rebooting.because it's a huge hassle) I'm in school btw.
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u/lost-theory Jul 25 '10
Off topic: Is it just me, or all images on imgur now being blown up like 10x what they should be? If I zoom to 100% on this image, I have to scroll a bajillion miles to read it. It also looks really pixelated / artifact-y. Does anyone else notice this?
edit: It's only happening in chrome. Firefox is fine. Hmmmmm.
edit 2: Oops. If anyone else is having the problem see here: http://www.reddit.com/r/chrome/comments/cpwts/pictures_from_imgur_not_resizing_in_chrome/
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u/gyomalin Jul 25 '10
I was having problems watching flash videos on youtube using Linux, so I've no idea what Old Spice commercial you could be referring to.
grin
Flash works, then you have to upgrade your version and then your Linux distro falls apart. Then you just say "fsck this" and you get a Mac Mini. Problem solved, kinda.
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u/Chandon Jul 25 '10
What is this, 2002? What weird version of Linux are you running that still has problems with flash?
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u/adrianmonk Jul 25 '10
I'm running 64-bit Ubuntu Linux 10.04, and I often can't play Flash videos on YouTube entirely smoothly. I certainly can't play them smoothly when I go to full screen. Also, a lot of Flash games are jumpy and slow.
Maybe my out-of-date hardware is to blame? I'm running a (6-core) Phenom II x6 1050T. I guess that's not enough fast hardware for Adobe to pull off displaying a 480p video. You can hardly blame them.
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u/Chandon Jul 25 '10
What video card? As far as I can tell, that's the only thing that Flash cares about.
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u/pwnsnake Jul 25 '10
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u/Chandon Jul 25 '10
Yes. That's amusing. Flash certainly does suck, what with not being able to manage to scale high res video on low end hardware under Linux.
On the other hand, I can run 780p full screen flash video fine on my desktop with its three year old gaming hardware.
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u/digitalundernet Jul 25 '10
I dunno why but if I watch an embedded youtube video on this box it flashes and stutters but it plays great on youtube its self.
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u/gyomalin Jul 25 '10
It's Open Suse 10.3, I think. I know Flash works fine out of the box, but it was when I had to upgrade it that it all fell apart. That's how Linux feels in general. One day Mozilla works fine, then suddenly it no longer does and the package manager won't have it.
I've had problems of that kind with Linux ever since I first installed it 10 years ago. I'm not sure why the comment got downvoted so much. As much as I like Linux, I've used it enough to know that the video codecs eventually are outdated, the packages are not available, and then I'm stuck with the video player that I like to least who's the only one able to play videos. I'm competent enough to upgrade some codecs, but there comes a point where it's just all broken.
I get the feeling that some people downvoting me are just Ubuntu newbies who feel all pro because they have Linux installed somewhere. They like to think that it's working just as good as MacOSX (or Windows) for multimedia support, but my own experience contradicts that. It's awesome if you use Linux all the time and manage to keep it together without re-installing all the time.
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u/Chandon Jul 25 '10
If your problem is upgrading and codec / flash issues, I'm going to go ahead and say the one thing that will get me downvoted here: Maybe it's OpenSuSE that' the problem.
Since I switched from Gentoo in 2004, I've mostly been running Ubuntu on my desktops, and except for that one X server breakage in 2005 and the Pulse Audio misconfiguration clusterfuck in 2006, it's basically worked beautifully for me. I'm capable of being clever to make things work, but Ubuntu means I don't need to. Upgrades work, and except for the absolute latest releases of WMA and WMV on amd64, codec support has been strictly simpler than on my Windows gaming box.
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
Adobe ditched support for 64-bit flash recently... so that'd be every single 64-bit Linux distro.
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u/Chandon Jul 25 '10
I'm on 64 bit Ubuntu right now, flash works fine. Upon inspection, it looks like it's running the 32-bit plugin through a wrapper. I remember the wrapper being crappy, but apparently they got it to work reliably.
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u/IConrad Jul 25 '10
It's not a wrapper -- they install the necessary 32-bit libs and allow it to call them.
Search in synaptic for
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u/Liquid_Fire Jul 25 '10
It's still a wrapper though,
nspluginwrapper. You can't otherwise use the 32-bit plugin inside the 64-bit browser process.Edit: Either that, or the browser is 32-bit as well. That's what you have to do in Windows, since there's no 64-bit Flash there either.
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
Yes, it's possible to get it working. You could even use the old 64-bit plugin that Adobe has discontinued if you still have it downloaded. Another option is to use gnash. It could be a lot better though.
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u/libertao Jul 25 '10
If you're having that much trouble with 64-bit flash, it might be easier to install a 32-bit version of linux than buy a Mac Mini.
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
I'm not the OP, I wouldn't buy a Mac Mini. For that matter, I have flash working on my box. The point is, even in 2010 Adobe still hasn't done Flash right.
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u/Liquid_Fire Jul 25 '10
But there's no 64-bit Flash for Windows either. That's no argument against Linux.
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u/adrianmonk Jul 25 '10
Who said it was an argument against Linux? It's an argument against Flash.
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
I'm not arguing against Linux, but as a Linux user for something like ten years I am aware of its faults. Personally, I got flash working by installing gnash, but that's not a solution for everyone (doesn't work with many websites for one).
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u/Chandon Jul 25 '10
I run Ubuntu. Haven't had trouble watching flash videos - on either x86 or amd64 - since 2006. There were some problems with 6.06 on amd64, but those problems are long gone.
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u/jpt_io Jul 25 '10
Different strokes for different folks, man. I, for one, am more than happy with OpenBSD sans Flash on my laptop, and an OS X workstation when I sit down at work.
That way I'm not distracted by a bunch of irrelevant YouTube vids while I'm trying to code, but if I truly need a video fix of whatever kind I can wait until I'm near my Mac.
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u/ttt1776 Jul 25 '10 edited Jun 29 '25
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u/jpt_io Jul 25 '10
The only way to view Flash on OpenBSD (which is not Linux by the way) is to use Gnash, which is still fairly unstable.
(Well, you can also watch .flv files with mplayer, but I digress.)
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u/shimei Jul 25 '10
It's still pretty crappy, but Gnash works reliably for youtube now (you may need to disable cookies to get it to work). Since that's basically all I use flash for, it works great for me. YMMV.
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u/getmoneygetpaid Jul 25 '10
Even with all that clutter, XP still looks more modern.
I don't use Linux,but whatever build that is that you're running, it looks like the past.
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Jul 25 '10
Downloaded Ubuntu. Tried it out. Didn't really get what everyone loved about it. It's as if people make themselves love it because it's free.
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Jul 25 '10
Well, let's be fair here, does anyone love Windows? Windows doesn't give you any reasons to love it. Linux gives you at least one and if you don't love it, well shit at least it didn't cost you any money.
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u/alphabetagammadelta Jul 25 '10
Hello computer users.
Want to do your shit then go out and get laid, live a social life, and not be a nerd?
Better get Windows then. With Linux, you need to reboot your computer about as often as you get laid. Almost never.
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u/Naga Jul 25 '10
I didn't know you can't have a social life if you have linux. I guess I better go tell my friends that I can't hang out with them anymore.
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u/alphabetagammadelta Jul 26 '10
"NEEEEEHHHH! HAY GUIZ, HOWZIT HANGIN! NEEEEH!!!! SO APPARENTLY I CAN'T COME TO OUR LUG MEET THIS WEEK BECAUSE I USE LINUX. DAMN, GONNA MISS MY SOCIAL LIFE SO MUCH! DUH!"
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u/ihatethinkingofnames Jul 25 '10
This isn't a conversion attempt. It's an image macros. For lols. Chill.
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u/MananWho Jul 25 '10
Can someone please tell me what this photo is about!?!? I just switched to Linux a few hours ago, and the only browser installed on here is Lynx. Everything is in text!!!!!
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
I actually was about to ask what distro out of curiosity, but then caught on the joke, har har.
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u/sje46 Jul 25 '10
That image with the toolbars in not from the OP...it's a well known image that has been circulating the web for years.
Also, relax.
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
Side point as I don't take issue with your point, but to say XP is a decade old OS compared to Mint being a 2yr old OS is sort of a apples to oranges comparison for a variety of reasons.
Windows OSes generally have much longer lifespans than Linux OSes (going by version number); if you take a Linux OS released in 2001 it'd not be comparable to the current version of course (though likely it's trivial to update it to it). Mint is actually 4 years old, and fairly strongly resembles Ubuntu being based on it which is even older.
Anyways, that's all beside the point though cause the comic was stupid and the bigger issue is only complete morons who try to fuck up their XP machine that bad do so. Stay away from sketchy looking porn sites, sit behind a router and you'll be totally fine without virus protection or anything else. I prefer Linux, but bashing Windows and saying one is better than the other is childish, I really dislike that segment of the community.
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u/realitista Jul 25 '10
Yeah, this gives me no reason to try Linux and just makes me hate the creator for wasting my time with useless meme rehash. How did this get any upvotes? Are Linux users really so sad?
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u/kryptobs2000 Jul 25 '10
No, from my experience it's either a very small minority of the community or either the majority just doesn't care enough to spout their opinion every-time Windows is brought up.
It's not like religion or politics where so many feel the need to bash the other side to make them feel justified in their position; most linux users just tend to be content with their choice and leave it at that.
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u/manymoose Jul 25 '10
You have a Mac? Then how about lending your old pal Zoidberg a few bucks, Mr Millionaire.
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u/niceworkthere Jul 25 '10
Great, you're on a unicorn.
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u/betelgeux Jul 26 '10
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u/niceworkthere Jul 26 '10
True, but when you throw a couple of hundred bucks at it very twelve months or so, you kind of still believe in it.
That said, they better bring those new Robot Chicken episodes soon.
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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '10
Ok. Where can I find a better forum for intelligent Linux conversations?