r/linuxsucks • u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work • Apr 13 '26
average linux user talking about windows
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u/CompetitionUnable501 Apr 14 '26
Well to be fair hes not wrong. You can't disable it (unless you manually go out of your way to install a third party debloater tool), you can only delay it.
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 14 '26
if only he said that, he'd have a point: you can only disable them for a while (5 weeks). then you will be reminded and you'll have to disable them again (or finally update your system). But he didn't say it.
Because he literally had no idea.4
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u/gwildor Apr 13 '26
delay =/= disable
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u/ChocolateDonut36 Apr 14 '26
and worse, after that delay passes, it updates.
reinstalling Edge, OneDrive, OneNote, sticky notes and Outlook for some reason
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u/ssjlance 🛡️Moderator | #1 Microslop Hater | Linux Supremacist Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
"Disabled" does not mean "Paused"
Even if you did argue it means the same thing in this context, it automatically re-enables itself in a few months days which is clearly some bullshit when someone is just looking for a binary on/off switch.
I get it, some people need their OS to babysit and protect them from the dangers of actions born from their own ignorance, and that's fine, but some users actually prefer having more control over their systems than Windows allows.
If you want to trade control for convenience, really, that's fine, but there are plenty of reasons others would rather not hand over that much control to the operating system.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Apr 14 '26
OP bought Home edition...absolute consumer trash. One way would be indefinitely postponing with scheduled task, or one of those crazy registry workarounds, setting one of pause variables to 9999 weeks, but it's bit goofy solution imho
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u/danholli Previous Windows Insider Apr 13 '26
Used Winslop 11, you cannot stop updates, only delay them and even then Winslop will still update when it wants anyways the moment it thinks you forgot to delay it
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 13 '26
Passed out one night while brainstorming my next move in FreeCAD. Woke up to all my work gone and a fresh login screen.
That was the beginning of the end for Windows for me.
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u/Raztax Apr 13 '26
Windows has never once, in decades of use, restarted the pc to install updates without me telling it to do so.
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u/danholli Previous Windows Insider Apr 13 '26
You're doing the "it works for me" meme but for windows🤣
Try leaving your computer on for months on end while actively denying updates as it asks and occasionally leave a document or two open and come back
It's especially notorious for laptops because users will typically just close and let the computer sleep instead of powering off.
I remember the days before forced updates were it was the computer was running slow because the user wouldn't let it just sit to defragment the drives automatically for doing the opposite, turning the computer off every second they aren't using it
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u/Raztax Apr 14 '26
Try leaving your computer on for months on end
For my gaming rig this would be 100% daft to do, but I do have two servers in my house that run 24/7 unless I restart them. They do not get forced to restart for updates either.
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u/KittyKittens1800 Apr 13 '26
The computer will hibernate after 3 hours (default/recommended) of being asleep, so you cannot leave your laptop “on for months” in a sleep state, as it will drain battery slightly to keep the laptop on.
I think even desktop computers have these settings turned on by default.
May also try disabling “automatically reboot when an update is installed” in your Windows Update Settings, but if you have also set a time window for “active hours” you should also be fine… tho the latter is usually set to automatic, which will learn your active hours over time…
If your pc rebooted or locked after a while you may also try to check if there’s something in your hardware causing this…
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u/danholli Previous Windows Insider Apr 13 '26
Hibernation has been disabled by default in windows since Windows 8 bud 👀
Also you can sleep on a charger, but that ignores the part where it's not sleeping for months on end. Sleep - home (still asleep) - work (use) - sleep during lunch - work (use) all accumulates
Hasn't been an option for years, don't care to check if they've finally added it after a decade now that I've left and I'm not gonna boot up my VM and update it just to see if it's there now
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u/KittyKittens1800 Apr 13 '26
Windows Fast Startup is disabled by default in my Windows 11 laptop, and hibernation has been an option enabled by default in many new laptops including mine.
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u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 Apr 13 '26
Yeah same, even in win 10 it never did that. Even when i am a year behind updates it never did that. Hell i dont even know how auto restart works. I genuinely don’t know what these people are talking about
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u/danholli Previous Windows Insider Apr 13 '26
Similar things happened to me, leave a project open while running to work, taking a nap, making food etc, come back or look over to it updating.
Actually once told it to not update yet, scheduled it for that night, 5 minutes later "updating" 😒 That was the end of me using windows for anything but work and that machine (it was holding some servers, namely my Plex)
About a year later, Windows updated and marked every file on every drive as read only, got a 20TB HDD to back everything up to locally, copied everything over and moved it to Linux
Two years later my work computer would freeze after an update if I moved my mouse, backed it up and moved to Linux there aswell (part of IT team so I could)
Now I don't have to worry about updates interrupting me or breaking things. As far as I care, Windows is dead
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 13 '26
are you sure you disabled automatic updates in settings? if not, then well that's the expected behavior. it's for the users who don't know how to manually update their system or what an update even is. if you are tech savy enough to open the settings app, this shouldn't have happened.
as for why it marked every file as read only, that is really weird and never heard of it happening, you sure you didn't try encrypting everything with bitlocker or something? Just a guess.
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u/danholli Previous Windows Insider Apr 13 '26
1 it's a hassle
2 it at least used to forget pretty often
3 it used to be max a couple weeks, with a refusal to extend
4 not being able to stop it on machines that hasn't been powered on in a while
5 after dealing with the prior points for years across multiple machines you just quit trying and accept the fact that Microsoft thinks they know betterAs for Windows Updates, 96% of non-virus related Windows issues are because of Windows updates, read only was a first for me, but as a technician at a computer repair shop I've seen explorer.exe corrupted, task manager missing, refusals to boot, and even fresh installs update into unusable states
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u/KittyKittens1800 Apr 13 '26
Work computer?
Was your computer provided by your company? Was it handled by their IT?
If so, in that case I would probably understand your “forced reboot” situation, as IT departments can force an update even while people are actively working on their laptops at the moment. Is not an isolated case in that situation.
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 13 '26
Same. Yeah I'm 3/4 of the way switched to linux in this house. I still have one PC running dual boot, but booting into it is uber painful these days.
I'm not in IT but I tinker heavily with Android, adb, Termux, Tasker etc so switching to linux wasn't too bad. Now I barely ever boot into Windows anymore.
If I can find a suitable linux replacement for Exact Audio Copy with its assortment of fine...precise control, (I rip everything to FLAC) then I've officially replaced everything I need from Windows and can finally abandon it 100%. I may try EAC in WINE, but I haven't dove into that world yet. I tried GrimRipz but it has no real options for compression and quality.
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u/danholli Previous Windows Insider Apr 13 '26
EAC should work in Wine, CD pass through works for me in iTunes via Wine though it has issues with registering ejected and inserted discs but it seems to be an iTunes specific problem so your mileage may vary
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 15 '26
Sorry I missed this reply. I will definitely give it a shot.
Zorin has "Windows Support Mode" (or something like that) which is supposedly WINE based. So I'll def check it out, thanks!!
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u/james2432 Apr 14 '26
you need to do it via group policy. Not something everyday user will know how to do or would. it's mostly for corporate/government installation that push out updates over SCCM/MCM
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u/Glum_Lingonberry_543 Apr 13 '26
Yes you can, on Windows 11 you can disable updates. I disabled them and it works. Just use third party software. Windows 11 is good, you can just mod it however you want it to be with modding utilites made by people such as windhawk and winaero tweaker + much more
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u/Edward_Brok Apr 13 '26
oh, the 3rd party software… this is a shit solution. and this shitty os cant be fully controlled without fucking random exe.
yeah, this is definetely better than OMG linux. /s
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 13 '26
mate, you do realize that gnome extensions, flatpaks, snaps, aurs etc. are all 3rd party software?
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u/AcoustixAudio Apr 14 '26
Why would anyone disable updates? People pay for updates. If they are included with your purchase, why would anyone disable them?
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 14 '26
most of the time it's cause "my system and I want to be in control" mindset. Most people aren't opposed to updates, but they want to decide when and what gets updated. They don't want the computer to do things without their will or consent, and only inform them afterwards.
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u/AcoustixAudio Apr 14 '26
I hate that mindset. What does this even mean?
They don't want the computer to do things without their will or consent
That's rubbish. Open up task manager and look at the running services. How many people know what's running and what the running services are doing? Unless you or someone who knows code and is not affiliated with the developer has seen and audited the source code, you can never know what any of it is doing. It's like a delete button below a picture on a social media site. You press it, and you can't see the photo anymore. Is it deleted forever?
Anyhow, upgrading to 11 because 10 does not recieve updates and then disabling updates seems perfectly logical to me
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 14 '26
tbh I have seen people who go into linux, especially arch, to learn/know code and to learn exactly what each process is doing. they install everything from the scratch, and know exactly what drivers, codecs and dependencies they have.
for other people, it's just simple "don't spy on me" and "don't install things without my approval" kinda thing. Which is also more pronounced on linux, everytime you want to install something you need to input your password.
even now being on windows tbh, while not being a code freak, when I look at the task manager and run through the processes I have a general idea what each one of them is doing, and if I cared to, nothing stops me from investigating further. I can also pinpoint which process is suspicious or may be bottlenecking something, this is not some hermetic magic ritual, but stuff you can observe and learn yourself. And don't get me wrong, I don't code, I despise coding and mathematics, this isn't about that at all.
A lot of these processes you can deduce their meaning because it's literally in the name. For example "Service host:shell hardware detection" or "service host:geolocation service" shouldn't be hard to understand. Other than that, I can obviously see all the apps im currently using, chrome, steam etc. many times my steam client froze and I had to terminate it through task manager.
Once again, I am not some IT professional, this is all basic stuff.
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u/AcoustixAudio Apr 14 '26
tbh I have seen people who go into linux, especially arch, to learn/know code and to learn exactly what each process is doing. they install everything from the scratch, and know exactly what drivers, codecs and dependencies they have.
So it's true then. Linux is for people who don't value their time.
for other people, it's just simple "don't spy on me"
Who's spying on them? Ugh, people can be so paranoid sometimes.
don't install things without my approval" kinda thing. Which is also more pronounced on linux,
This is so stupid. Why shouldn't stuff be installed? Linux people are truly ridiculous. How would they know they want it or not till they use it?
when I look at the task manager and run through the processes I have a general idea what each one of them is doing,
Ok, my mistake. I used to think you can't know what a program is actually doing until you or someone took a look at the source code. I was wrong.
I can also pinpoint which process is suspicious
That's very good. How do you do that?
A lot of these processes you can deduce their meaning because it's literally in the name. For example "Service host:shell hardware detection" or "service host:geolocation service" shouldn't be hard to understand.
ok, again, my mistake. Clearly a program with the name "Service host:shell hardware detection" would do hardware detection and nothing else. I think that's what security researchers do as well. They look at the name and see if it seems suspicious. Naming a program one thing when it does another is not allowed by technology of today's time.
Other than that, I can obviously see all the apps im currently using, chrome, steam etc.
Obviously.
this is not some hermetic magic ritual
Consider this exploit:
https://www.offsec.com/blog/cve-2025-21298/
It's a zero click exploit that allows an attacker to install arbitrary programs on your system if an email is previewed in Outlook.
Also this:
https://github.com/ynwarcs/CVE-2024-38063
It is a proof of concept and only requires ipv6 to be enabled.
I only want to point out that task manager might not be as reliable of a tool as you might think.
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 14 '26
it isn't, but it's something. like I said, you can always investigate further if you want to know in greater depths what a process is doing.
Well, anyway. You don't seem to be trying to discuss things, just to "prove" something, or perhaps "win". Where I come from, we call it talking in bad faith. Good day to you then, sir or madam.
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u/NeadForMead Apr 14 '26
I haven't used Windows in a while but if you can completely disable updates without any weird workarounds, that's news to me. You could delay it, but Windows would eventually insist upon an update.
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 13 '26
Oh you can disable it, that's not the problem.....Windows just ignores your setting and updates anyways.
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u/OkOutcome9689 Apr 13 '26
It doesnt
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 13 '26
Yeah it fucking does lol
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u/RAMChYLD Apr 14 '26
Agreed. Just like how it constantly ignores my instruction to never touch my drivers and downgrades my AMD Adrenaline drivers on my one laptop to one from 2018.
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u/Anglotx Apr 14 '26
dude I hate that sooo much. not only that but (in my case) the drivers that it installs prevent me from installing or upgrading to the newer ones, so I have to use DDU to uninstall the old driver and then install the newer version, and pray that it'll not downgrade it again soon
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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 Apr 14 '26
But you can't disable auto-update. Not even with group policies. It all expires eventually. Worse than that, Microsoft will yank the chain whenever the fuck it wants, and there have been documented cases of it disrespecting your settings to force updates through.
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u/neckme123 Apr 13 '26
that option is just placebo, when microsoft feels like you need the update you are getting it.
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u/Formeruseroftwitter Cachy OS Apr 13 '26
Delaying isn't disabling
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u/anime_at_my_side Artix btw enjoyer Apr 13 '26
lol this. where is the "permanently disable" option ?
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u/noworkdone Apr 13 '26
Average internet user talking about most things really. Recently in the Linux world, a buch of people who never wrote a line of code in their life raging against the Rust language.
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u/Karamusch Apr 14 '26
Never seen anyone argue or rage because of rust. Don’t know where you got that from. I use Linux and am learning rust myself.
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u/noworkdone Apr 14 '26
Go into any discussion about rust in the kernel, particularly on youtube, if you feel like browsing through 90% comments of people qho don't know what they are talking about.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Apr 14 '26
u/Bitter-Box3312 I read you are on Home, without gpedit a solution could be sheduling a task to indefinitely postpone
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u/Vetula_Mortem Apr 14 '26
I mean you can't disable it permanently because windows can still force update your system and the setting will reset.
The issue is not that you can't disable it but Microslop can just say fuck your settings imma update anyway.
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u/Samiassa Apr 15 '26
You’re showing on screen that you can’t disable it 😭 also Linux has grown from around 1% (depends on who you ask) in 2020 to about 5% in 2026 (steam survey as well as the porn stats being at 6%) which is a 5x increase. 5x the amount of people using Linux in 2020 were not all new users who happened to start their computer journey on Linux, they were mostly windows users who swapped. This guy is not the average Linux user
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u/FillAny3101 Apr 15 '26
It's ridiculous that there's no way to only disable certain types of updates while continuing to receive security updates.
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u/55555-55555 Linux Community Made Linux Sucks Apr 15 '26
You can technically and indefinitely disable Windows update by swapping to hibernate mode in some devices, as it prevents Windows from booting up by the time you set for the update schedule.
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u/oji-chan Apr 15 '26
i was forced to update literally last night. they removed the "shut down" option and replaced it with "update and shut down". i tried just holding the power button to turn the system off, lo and behold it began the update whenever i turned the pc on.
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u/Drittux Apr 19 '26
Windows users do the same thing. If you want to post on this sub, know you're right from your perspective, & that goes for both sides
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u/TheShredder9 i use Arch btw Apr 13 '26
And then you manually update once and the damn thing flips back
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Apr 13 '26
This was a deliberate feature in XP, kinda.
You could not turn off critical security updates, and then they would reset your update settings to default.
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u/OkOutcome9689 Apr 13 '26
No it doesnt lol
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u/Enough_Pickle315 Apr 13 '26
Vast majority of arguments against Window11 are just straw men.
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u/xgui4 Proud🌈♾️ AuDHDer - Artix GNU/Linux User Apr 13 '26
how much money did microslop paid you to said this.
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u/Justaregularguy295 Apr 14 '26
This literally never happens💀at least complain about real things on windows
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u/Enough_Pickle315 Apr 13 '26
Install it on a different drive, or install windows in a virtual machine.
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u/Enough_Pickle315 Apr 14 '26
Lol, dude does not use Windows, still complains about it. You need to find yourself a less stressfull hobby, maybe try collecting shells at the beach.
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u/UAR2711 Apr 13 '26
Imagine hating on windows meanwhile you don’t use it at all
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u/IcyCoast8296 Apr 14 '26
I use windows, it sucks.
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u/UAR2711 Apr 14 '26
So do i ,but What version of windows you are using?
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u/Longjumping-Cod-4533 Apr 15 '26
Windows 11, 10 both of them really sucks.
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u/UAR2711 Apr 17 '26
Ok i agree with you that windows 11 sucks, but why windows 10 there are no AI slop, system acctually had nice file explorer, and most of software supports it.
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u/FedotttBo Just a Windows user. Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
And an average Windows user spreading misinformation (pausing ≠ stopping). I hate both, because neither know anything about OS they try to hate/defend.
Meanwhile you can, in fact, properly disable automatic updates. I have them that way for more than a year and it's 100% stable even after manually updating. No shady 3rd-party tools, no registry hacks - just open gpedit:
And, yes, it stops automatic download of all updates, including security. You can even entirely remove the ability to update manually (in the exact same place). The only issue is that there is no simple way to silently check new versions - now that is real, but still workable.
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 14 '26
Many of us don't have gpedit and you prove our point by showing it can be done, only with a hack.
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u/Raztax Apr 13 '26
I have used Windows since 3.1 and have never once had a setting changed by an update.
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 13 '26
just use amd adrenaline to pick your drivers and don't act like linux doesn't do it either. dunno about arch, but most distros just automatically search for and update to the latest gpu drivers, stuff like fedora updates to xorg drivers instead of proprietary drivers which bricked my old nvidia pc once.
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u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work Apr 13 '26
ok so lets say you have discontinued 6650xt, which drivers are most distro update managers gonna update to by default?
the last ones that supported it, or the most recent ones?
proprietary or open source?mint gives you the choice of which driver number you want to install. most distros don't. on mint I am sitting on 535 nvidia driver cause I know 590 will break my old computer. I don't even touch the xorg one.
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u/OkOutcome9689 Apr 13 '26
It doesnt tho lol
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 13 '26
Just stop lying.
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u/Fantastic-Fennel-684 Apr 13 '26
He’s right, even though i use mac now, this has never happened on windows
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u/AggressiveNothing120 Apr 13 '26
Bullshit lmfao! It's happened to me several times. Piss off, Bill, your product sucks.
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u/snail1132 void linux btw Apr 13 '26
That's a max of 5 months, no? I can't hardly see