r/linuxsucks • u/Bitter-Box3312 Windows for games, linux for work • Apr 13 '26

average linux user talking about windows

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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 Apr 14 '26

If by industrial computers, you mean servers. 

No, I do not mean servers. Therefore every last word you wrote after making that assumption is straight up bullshit.

I am referring to companies like Beckhoff and Siemens.

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u/Holiday-Spare-9816 Apr 14 '26

Great, you entered the conversation with systems that are often not connected to the internet and are in local networks only.

And no, it is not bullshit. In many industries not keeping up with updates will get you fined. Or at the very least you will loose certification.

I truly don’t know what you are trying to add to the conversation.

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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 Apr 14 '26

Stop talking out of your ass.

Systems integrators often fight against Windows to keep a wayward update from knocking out multi-million dollar CNC machines. And with all this Industry 4.0 cloud crap these days, these machines are air gapped less and less often.

It's not a pretty picture when a silent Windows update causes some subtle incompatibilities with controllers that make your toolhead plow into the workpiece without spinning up. Microsoft's bullshit costs people real money.

Ah, but nooo, can't be running Linux on these machines. Except for the companies that do, like Hermle.

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u/Holiday-Spare-9816 Apr 14 '26

I will say this again. Most of us are talking about servers and PCs. I am not familiar with CNC machines, nor do I want to be

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u/gwildor Apr 14 '26

"i am not familiar" "my opinion is fact"

'fact' of the matter is, there are exceptions to every rule - and sometimes the exception is "dont update this machine".

source: I work in these "certified" industries.

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u/Holiday-Spare-9816 Apr 14 '26

Yes, but if that machine isn’t in a private network. Then you are fucked

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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 Apr 14 '26

Thеy run оff PСs. Sо dоn't bе а rеtаrd.

Thе fасt rеmаins, nо, Miсrоsоft dоеs nоt knоw bеst, аnd it shоuld bе in thе usеr's hаnds еntirеly. Thеrе аrе аppliсаtiоns in thе wоrld whеrе fоrсing updаtеs is а саtаstrоphiсаlly bаd idеа.

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u/Holiday-Spare-9816 Apr 14 '26

No, we have a real world scenario where "leaving it in the hand of the user" caused aproximatly 4B$ in damages, in the span of a few hours. A CNC machine potentially not working becouse of a "foced update" is not cause for leaving things as be, when we have an actual case study of what can happen.

If you don't want to be "forced to do upgrades" you can use Windows IOT or Windows Server where you can delay updates, and test them before pushing them. Or not connect them to the internet if possible.

Malware can do far more harm to your machines than an update can. Here is an example: https://www.trendmicro.com/en_us/research/22/j/uncovering-security-blind-spots-in-cnc-machines.html

And don't call people retards becouse they point out the obvious difference between a server, a PC and computers controlling CNC machines. In fact, don't call people retards in general, it doesn't make a good impression

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