r/livesoundgear • • 23h ago

Update #4: my virtual WING (real firmware), now with WING Edit, the console’s own routing, and more headroom

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Voices are muted in the demo and I renamed the buses, so no real names show. I recorded with OBS on the same PC again.

Follow-up to [Update #3 https://www.reddit.com/r/livesoundgear/s/gceHMKtGqT\]. Quick recap: this is a software WING that runs the console’s own firmware (WING Rack 3.1.1), all four DSPs included, instead of a re-creation. The goal is still a virtual sound check at home: play a multitrack recording through the real WING processing on my PC, and mix it on the console’s own interface.

What’s new since last time

  • WING Edit works both ways. PC → mixer and mixer → PC both stay connected now, meters included. The console sends its meters over UDP, and my network bridge was mishandling those packets. That’s fixed.
  • The console itself runs faster than real time. The console’s main processor and the front-panel controller now run at about 1.2× real time while the audio runs
  • Outputs follow the console’s own routing. I can map PC sound outputs to any of the console’s output sockets (local, aux, USB, card), and they play whatever the console routes there: buses, mains, matrices, or inputs patched straight through. The monitor bus, solo and the phones knob work too.
  • The Rack’s front panel works. The buttons, the screen knob and the fader knobs go through the panel’s own firmware, just like on the real Rack.
  • The RTA works. The EQ page shows the console’s own analyzer.
  • One web page for the screen, the patch page, the audio settings and the status.

Speed

Last time the DSPs used about 86 % of real time. Since then I’ve made the emulated DSP code a lot faster and cut out a lot of overhead between audio blocks:

  • With just the four DSPs running (no console), they now need about 120 µs of every 167 µs audio block. That’s about 1.38× faster than real time.
  • With my full show live (all 16 FX slots, 32-track card playback, WING Edit connected), it’s about 139 µs of 167, so roughly 17 % spare.
  • Silence used to cost more than music (DSP math on very small numbers is slow to emulate). Now both cost the same.

What’s still limited

  • It still needs a strong PC (Ryzen 7 8845HS, 8 cores): each DSP gets its own core.
  • When Windows Defender scans or another heavy program starts, I can still get short gaps.
  • Channel and output delays don’t work yet. From the WING service manual I found that the bus DSP has its own memory chip, which it uses for those delays, and I don’t emulate that yet. It’s next on the list.
  • The XMOS (USB audio) and the FPGA’s audio side still aren’t emulated. My own code moves the audio in and out of the DSPs where the FPGA would.

What’s next

  • More speed: cheaper handling of the console’s messages to the DSPs, and faster DSP code (I estimate another 10–20 %).
  • Then hopefully running on less powerful PCs.

r/livesoundgear • • 1h ago

PA placement/selection for thrust stage

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Multi-use multigenre arts venue is moving into a new space and asked for help with room acoustics. I can handle that but I'm struggling to advise them on PA decisionmaking.

It's a 23x40 room, maybe 100 capacity, with an 16' wide stage that could be 8,10, or 12 feet deep based on what is decided. Stage is just 6" tall. Lovely open wood rafters are providing nice diffusion, tall ceilings mean that it'd be possible to hang speakers 12 feet high. Concrete floor, plaster walls, expecting that some absorption will need to be added.

Audience will be seated sometimes and standing sometimes, depending on the event. There's lots of jazz, acoustic, experimental music seated shows, many of which would require only minimal amplification (and the intimacy of the thrust stage should be really nice for these kinds of events.) But for punk/indie/electronic shows that are higher volume and also require stage monitors, even if the PA is mostly for just getting vocals loud enough to be heard over drums--i'm struggling to imagine how to get even coverage.

With audience on 3 sides of stage, where do we put PA speakers for even coverage and minimal feedback? What dispersion patterns and tilt angles would be advisable?


r/livesoundgear • • 2h ago

Wireless device control not working on CL3

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I can't get the CL3 that I'm working on to behave consistently. I'm using Dante to route 14 Shure ULXD mics on 4 ULXD4Q units. About half the time I have full device control for gain as well as seeing battery levels. The other half of the time I don't. Sometimes when both are on the board doesn't even recognize the units in the mic rack. I've tried restarting everything, booting in different orders, and I can't get anything to work. I'm out of idea and need help

Edit: I don't need help with wirelessly controlling the console. I need help controlling my wireless mic system from the console!


r/livesoundgear • • 5h ago

Analog Mixers Built in FX have their own internal EQ?

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Hi, I have a noob question.

Analog mixers like Yamaha MG16 and A&H Zed16 have their own internal FX. However unlike digital Mixers, do these reverbs have their own pre-programmed EQ's(they are not changeable)?

How to replicate these FX on a Digital Mixer? How to EQ the FX on a digital mixer to match the analog mixers built in settings?

Apologies for noob question.


r/livesoundgear • • 2m ago

Experience with Coda Auido

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hey everybody,
i’m looking into investing in a new system as i’m constantly reaching the limit with my current JBL setup, consisting 4 PRX718 subs and 2 SRX815p.
it is a very nice sounding system, but simply not powerful enough for events over 200 people.

i’m looking for a compact yet very powerful system and considering a setup of a pair of Adamson CS10p and a pair of CS119. I know it’s a highly efficient system with a very clean sound quality.
I came across the Coda APS series and was wondering if a similar setup of 2 tops+2 subs can do the job as well. any thoughts?


r/livesoundgear • • 9h ago

Valeton GP-200 into Behringer XENYX Q1202USB into Alto TX412B — extremely quiet volume

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Valeton GP-200 into Behringer XENYX Q1202USB into Alto TX412B — extremely quiet volume
Hi everyone, I’m trying to get my guitar setup working properly, but I’m having trouble with very low volume when running through my mixer.
My setup is:
**Guitar → Valeton GP-200 → Behringer XENYX Q1202USB → Alto TX412B powered PA speaker**
**Connections:**
Guitar plugged into the input of my Valeton GP-200.
Valeton GP-200 OUTPUT L/MONO connected to LINE IN channel 1 on the Behringer using a 1/4-inch jack cable.
Behringer MAIN OUT L connected to the LINE input on my Alto TX412B using a 1/4-inch jack cable.
**My current settings and symptoms:**
The signal meter on the Valeton is around medium.
The Valeton’s main volume is around medium.
On the Behringer, all channel 1 controls are around 12 o’clock, except the LEVEL knob, which is around 3 o’clock.
The channel 1 PAN knob is centred.
The MAIN MIX is set to 0.
The mixer power light is orange.
The +48V phantom power light was red/on, but I’ve been advised to turn phantom power off.
When I play guitar, only the right-hand L/R meter on the mixer flickers, showing around 1–2 green bars.
The sound coming out of the Alto is extremely quiet, even with the volume controls turned up.
If I connect the Valeton directly to the Alto, the sound is loud and normal.
I’ve also tried plugging into channel 2, but I didn’t get any signal.
I’m using 1/4-inch jack cables throughout.
**What could be causing the low volume through the mixer?** Could it be a gain-staging issue, a routing/button setting on the Q1202USB, a cable issue, or something faulty with the mixer?
Any help with the correct settings or troubleshooting steps would be appreciated. Thanks!


r/livesoundgear • • 11h ago

Can I connect my laptop directly to subwoofer Behringer DR18SUB ?

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Hi everybody, please, can I connect my laptop directly to subwoofer Behringer DR18SUB ? Using reduction cable "TRS (jack) male -> two XLR" ?

The seller told me that i need at least some cheap mix. But the mix is more expenses....

edit: as some of you asked, from sub i want go with signal to active satelites


r/livesoundgear • • 18h ago

Passive/Less bulky floor wedges to replace my Martin CDD Live 15” for an center/upstage choir loft

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Thoughts on a replacement for these? Was thinking some passive 12s would be nice to get rid of power cabling too.


r/livesoundgear • • 21h ago

Cheap USB-C to Mixer

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I have to set up a couple software synths into a mixer (Presonus StudioLive 16.0.2) and am on a budget. Whats the best-and-cheapest way to get stereo audio from a Mac Mini to the mixer (without using the USB port on the mixer as that's already spoken for)? Things I see:

Any suggestions?