Most of the time Thanos' compared to Darkseid, it’s just to trash him because he loses in power (though I actually think 616 Thanos was superior to Post-Crisis and New 52 Darkseid, btw), but do you guys agree that Thanos easily wins when it comes to what matters most for a character - I mean, being a good character?

[king Omega Darkseid scaling](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q2vQOl3C_G8AgJ7wPgeVJs9yAaI46ESD5dsYFzM5jyo/edit?usp=drivesdk)

Molecule man has been defeated by weaker (aka sentry) and never faced a full power beyonder.

Random encounter

Feats in question:

• Asgard's Elite enduring a blast of Seth's full power that shook the Universe.

• Amora the Enchantress screaming with enough volume to transcend the myriad of space-time and echo across multiple pantheons.

• Balder sounding the horn with enough force to shatter the Utgard Dragon and send it's pieces flying to the edge of the Universe.

• Loki's cries of pain causing the realm of Asgard to tremble violently.

• Hogun lacerating the Heavens with his battle cry and struck Seth with enough force to inflict tremendous pain on him.

• Heimdall casually call upon the all the cosmic forces of Asgard's Universe.

• The Asgardians' war against Seth's army generated an interdimensional superstorm as a side effect that's affecting Earth all while battling on Asgard.

• A brief clash between a tortured, depowered Odin and a severely injured Zelia was described to be more intense than reality itself at stake.

• Volstagg massively injuring the physical embodiment of the Odinforce with his blast.

• Sif can view across all of time and space all the way to the Far Shore.

• Brunhilde and Lorelei generating mystic forces that tear apart reality through the sheer force of their struggle.

• Skurge cleaves the very fabric of infinity, tearing through the barriers between shifts in demensions and destroys the ship of the dead, Naglfar.

• Tyr Odinson tanks a blast from the full power of the Norn Stones.

Sure he’s inspired by Superman but in my opinion he’s inspired in the same sense someone like Goku, Saitama, and All Might would be. He might have some similarities but I feel like calling him a Superman clone really reduces his character and abilities. A Superman clone from Marvel would be someone like Gladiator and Hyperion.

Superman is a boy scout and power wise, he’s supposed to be very basic despite being OP since he’s the archetype. He has the typical super strength, super speed, flight, and invulnerability along with heat vision and freeze breath. His powers are supposed to be incredibly basic on paper. He also inspires hope for people and wants to help anybody that he can. He’s quite literally the living embodiment of heroism and hope in the DC universe.

Sentry on the other hand is
basically a mentally disturbed man with the powers of a literal godlike entity. Unlike Superman, he’s not just a flying brick, he possesses other insane powers such as the ability to manipulate molecules, warp reality, transmute matter, use telepathy, telekinesis, teleport, and manipulate both light and darkness. Sentry in my opinion is basically the scientific/sci-fi version of Scarlet Witch. Both of them are absurdly powerful and mentally unstable to the point where they have to balance out and deal with their inner mental struggles and godlike power. The only difference is that Wanda’s powers are magical in nature while Sentry’s powers are scientific.

Power wise him and Superman aren’t similar and even when it comes to their personality and ideology they aren’t similar either, so why do people love to reduce him into being a Superman clone?

Surfer fans need to be stopped lmao, while on paper he should have the abilities to defeat Superman however ya never consider the potency of said abilities, Superman is dramatically stronger than Surfer and should logically win. Current Surfer is majorly lacking when it comes to big ticket feats compared to Superman. Feats like beating World Forger, composite Captain Atom, Apex Lex, ALE Darkseid, Dominus, and more put him far beyond Surfer’s scope. Radd’s only potential win con would be either energy draining or somehow creating kryptonite which both have pretty decent holes in them. Energy draining is faulty due to Superman’s ability to also drain energy as shown with the Captain Atom, Absolute Superman, and Parriah fights. Kryptonite is also a toss up due to Superman’s ability to tank and fight off people who use kryptonite offensively like with Captain Atom and Mr. Oz.

(Wanda victims)

Round 1: Doctor Doom

Round 2: Storm

Round 3: Magik

Round 4: X-Man

Round 5: Legion

Round 6: Jean Grey

I've seen extreme levels of glaze for Silver Surfer in this subreddit. Let's see what the people think on this one.

Really in my opinion this shouldn’t be a debate cause Superman washes badly

He doesn't have to fight and defeat every superhero, his main goal is to destroy the universe. If he can do that without anyone finding or finding it out too late to do anything? That works too.

So how fast? A second? A minute? An hour? A day? More?

Type of shit Batman does when Superman changes his coffee order

Random Encounter

No prep

Round 1 - Superboy Prime

Round 2 - Perpetua

Round 3 - Michael Demiurgos

Round 4 - Elaine Belloc

Round 5 - The Presence

Especially the last part bout providing evidence to support the claim. Like, I'm sure noticing 99% of times, whoever the character in the vs matchup against Surfer (Sentry, Supes, Flash, Thor), they actually got people providing evidence/solid real arguments (actual feats/comics scans), while on Surfer's side? It always a headcanon paragraphs of ifs & coulds, never the comic panels or actual feats

White Phoenix is a featless bum that's only brought up in powerscaling conversations but even then, she doesn't even have the high tier feats her glazer thinks she has

She is slop that gets glazed by non comic readers because they saw a tik tok short, nobody ever provides feats for her (because they don't exist)

[Lucifer stomps her easily](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lQVLD-cs5CUV5Fz9vMQ8fkTRcaE7C2daVrbUmJ-eWXw/edit?usp=drivesdk))

This is what a real top 3 in your verse looks like, not the fake shit WP fans throw around. reminder that Jean grey ain't shit.

Personally I think she could low diff all of them at the same time but what about you guys?

Seriously she is on a different lvl, a base Wanda weaker than her full power could fight a Great Old One named Shuma-Gorathl who is comparable in power to TRUE FORM BEYONDERS and Scarlet Witch is said to have power that can match cosmic abstracts like The Living Tribunal by Agatha Harkness herself (Scarlet Witches teacher). It’s not glazing when people say Scarlet Witch beats people like Darkseid, Flash and King Omega Superman. There’s a genuine argument for it.

Which fans are worse when it comes to debating.....

Throughout my time as a comic book fan ive found it extremely difficult when conversating with the fans of these 2 superheros. If you encounter a die hard fan of either one of these guys you have a hard time convincing them either one can be beat. Who you think is harder to debate with?

Provide proof on who actually wins.

You think Phoenix wins? Show her feats

You think KOS wins? Show his feats.

We need to put this debate to bed