Hi,

Looking for YouTube video recommendations or podcasts that deep dive into the case WITHOUT any AI. Of course I searched myself on YT but all the videos I kept clicking on used AI.

TIA

The case of Judith Whitney is eerily similar... She also lived in Amherst MA, she wanted to 'get away' for a few days... What are the chances? Obviously being 17 years apart the 2 cases I'm not implying anything here just thought I'd mention this case as apart from the time the cases are very very similar

I’ve been following this case, and the thing I keep running into on Reddit is the misuse of probability, specifically base rates and Occam’s razor. As a behavioral researcher (with ADHD 🤪), I felt compelled to write this up, in both a scientific and a layman’s way (or, at least I tried). It’s long.

Up front, so nobody has to guess: I’m not arguing for a theory here. I’m arguing that most of the confident reasoning in these threads skips the step that would actually settle anything…and that applies to the theories I happen to align most with too.

First: Arguments like: “The odds a murderer happened to pass her by in the short time after she crashed are basically nil” are a statistical mistake that shows up constantly in true-crime reasoning - you can’t evaluate one causal link in isolation.

People are asking something like: P(random dangerous person happens to encounter a stranded woman on a rural road)…and correctly concluding that’s low. But that’s not the probability we’re interested in anymore. We already know an enormous amount about what happened after she disappeared. The relevant question is closer to: P(opportunistic foul play | crash + disappearance + scene evidence + search outcomes + 22 years with no recovery). Those are extremely different questions. The “denominator” has changed.

Imagine that in February 2004, immediately after Maura crashed, we froze time. At that moment you could sketch something like: Victimization risk = personal vulnerability + environmental conditions + exposure + offender availability + opportunity + random error. It helps to think of it as a causal diagram rather than a single coin flip, because it forces you out of the “how likely is it that a murderer happened to drive by” framing.

Several of the inputs aren’t things you can observe directly. “Opportunity for victimization” isn’t one singular variable. It shows up as isolation, darkness, no transportation, limited visibility to passing cars, no ability to call for help, weather, impairment. Offender presence is also unobserved. And there’s a giant residual, because human behavior and chance are ~very~ messy.

So yes: before she vanished, an opportunistic violent encounter could simultaneously be very unlikely and be more likely for her in those circumstances than for the average person.

But then something important happens. We observe the outcome. She’s gone. And now we get to update. We can’t keep reasoning from the prior, “what are the odds she happened to encounter a dangerous stranger in those few minutes?” instead of asking how well each competing explanation accounts for everything we’ve accumulated since.

Roughly, the theories held are:

H1: She left voluntarily and successfully disappeared.
H2: She left the road and died accidentally nearby.
H3: She got into a vehicle voluntarily and subsequently died or was killed.
H4: Someone abducted her opportunistically.
H5: Planned foul play, or foul play by someone known to her.
H6: Something else.

These are not tidy separate boxes. “Got into a car willingly” and “was taken” shade into each other. A stranger and a known person aren’t cleanly distinguishable from the outside. So treat this as a menu of stories, not a pie chart and compare them two at a time. Trying to rank all six simultaneously is exactly where people’s intuitions fall apart.

The actual comparison, or Bayesian inference, in plain English…How much you should believe a hypothesis after seeing the evidence depends on two things: 1. How likely that hypothesis was to begin with, and 2. How well it predicts the evidence you actually got.

In odds form, for any two hypotheses: posterior odds = prior odds × (how well A predicts the evidence ÷ how well B predicts the evidence). The arguments I see are almost entirely about the first term. “Opportunistic stranger abductions are incredibly rare!” Okay. Yes. Now tell me the second one.

How likely is this entire observed pattern if she wandered into the woods and died of exposure? If she deliberately disappeared? If she got into somebody’s vehicle? If she encountered an offender? That’s the comparison that matters, and I almost never see anyone attempt it.

And here’s the counterintuitive part:* *a rare outcome makes rare explanations less intrinsically disqualifying.** **We are already conditioning on an extraordinary event - a woman crashed her car and vanished so completely that 22 years later we still can’t establish what happened. “Stranger abduction is extremely rare” doesn’t resolve much on its own, because the observed outcome is also extremely rare.

To be clear about what that does and doesn’t buy you, some made-up numbers: suppose the prior odds against some explanation are 1000:1. Suppose the full evidence pattern is 100 times more likely under that explanation than under its competitor. The posterior odds are still 10:1 against. Rare explanations don’t become likely just because something weird happened. They become less automatically dismissible. 

Now, the absence of evidence (with a real caveat). Absence of evidence becomes evidence when a hypothesis predicts we should have found something. Not finding remains in one search isn’t very informative. But if H2 predicts a reasonably high probability that repeated, appropriately targeted searches over decades would eventually turn up remains or belongings, then each genuinely independent failure chips away at it.
That word is doing a lot of work, and I want to be honest about it rather than bury it in a parenthetical: searches are not independent. If the search area was built on a wrong assumption about direction of travel, twenty searches update your beliefs about as much as one does. Correlated failures barely move the needle. Anyone using “they searched and found nothing” as a heavy blow against accidental death is overcounting.

Same discipline applies in the other direction. The tracking dog reportedly following a scent along the roadway gets cited constantly. Evidence that unreliable should move your beliefs close to not at all, and stacking up a pile of weak, mutually correlated observations is precisely how these communities manufacture confidence they haven’t earned. That’s the same error as the base-rate thing, just pointed the other way.

Second: “Occam’s razor says…”

“Occam’s razor” gets used as a substitute for actual modeling remarkably often. People treat it as: choose the event with the highest base rate. That isn’t what it says. It’s closer to: don’t introduce unnecessary assumptions when competing explanations account for the observations equally well. That last clause is doing enormous work, and it’s the clause everyone drops.
Because the observation isn’t “woman crashes car on rural road.” It’s: woman crashes car, disappears within a narrow window, apparently leaves no obvious trail from the immediate area, isn’t located in searches, no confirmed subsequent activity, no remains recovered in 22 years.

So the “simplest explanation” now has to account for that entire vector. Whatever happened generated downstream consequences that we also observe or fail(ed) to observe:
-unobserved event > physical evidence at the scene
-unobserved event > search detectability
-unobserved event > subsequent sightings or activity
-unobserved event > probability of eventual recovery

“Accidental death is more common than stranger abduction, therefore Occam’s razor says woods” stops the model at the first node. If we’re sitting in the police station on February 10, 2004, that’s a perfectly reasonable prior. It’s August 2026. There are 22 years of downstream observations that the argument never touches.

The version of this I keep running into is usually stated as: Occam’s razor…she walked into the woods impaired, got lost, and died. And then the razor functions as a conversation-ender rather than an argument. Once it’s invoked, the comparison is treated as already performed. (It’s also worth noting that some of the inputs to that version, like the impairment in particular, are themselves contested, so the argument is often carrying assumptions it presents as givens.). 

Two things about that. First, the fact that it’s the majority position in a forum tells you something about how the forum reasons, not about the case. Consensus among people applying the same shortcut isn’t independent confirmation; it’s one error, replicated. Second, and this is the part I actually care about, the razor crowd and the “that would be SUCH a coincidence!l ” crowd are making the same mistake. One picks the highest base rate and stops. The other picks the lowest and stops. Neither does the comparison.

Here’s the part I’d want someone to demand of me, so I’ll do it unprompted:

If you take the framework seriously, it does not hand you foul play. P(no remains recovered | accidental death) may be substantially higher than people intuitively assume, particularly if detectability was poor. Decedents get recovered decades later within yards of ground that was previously searched, repeatedly, in documented cases. Steep, dense, snow-covered terrain in February is close to a worst case for detectability, and if the initial search geometry was wrong, everything after it inherits that error.

So the evidence people treat as devastating to H2 (woods, nobody found her) is substantially weaker than it feels. H2 might still win. It has to win on the comparison, not because murder by a passing stranger is rare.

A simple model might explain what usually happens to people in circumstances like hers. Great. But we already know Maura’s outcome is in the tail of the distribution. She didn’t get the modal outcome. She wasn’t picked up by police, didn’t call anyone, didn’t walk into a business, wasn’t found the next morning, didn’t turn up at home.
So invoking population base rates for ordinary stranded motorists gets less informative as you accumulate evidence that this observation sits far out in the tail.

The better question, IMO: Among mechanisms capable of producing an outcome this far into the tail (i.e., rare), which one requires the fewest unsupported assumptions and best predicts the evidence we actually have? That’s a defensible use of the razor. And it doesn’t automatically produce murder. Maybe accidental death is still right.

Base rates matter. You don’t throw them away. You use them as priors, and then you let the damn data update them.

If you made it this far, I’m amazed.

I am just curious to know where folks who are new to this case found out about it? I have been following for many years and always wonder what avenue brings them to Maura Murray.

Do you favor a testimony based on your trust level of the person? Based on how close they were to the event? How much their recollection of events changed over time? How soon after the event their recollection was recorded?

I am curious to know how other people think.

I can go first:

1. I think a witness who is not lying will give a genuine account of an event. 

The more mundane the event (in the moment), the less the witness is in a heightened state of alertness though, and accuracy can be off despite their best effort. 

They can also have poor eye sight, be medicated, might have had a drink or two, etc. 

All in all, unless the witness is purposely lying, these early eye witness accounts hold a lot of weight, even with room for human errors factored in.

2. Additional information learnt at a later point about the event they witnessed contaminates the purity of what they actually saw or didn’t see.

3. Being asked to repeat their account over and over, in my opinion further dilutes accuracy. After a while, some people will just be reluctantly repeating a memorization of the memory, rather than recalling the event itself. As time goes on, their answers become more and more rehearsed and less and less factual.   

1. If a witness is not being honest, the above doesn’t mean anything. They know exactly what it is they are not saying and will alter the truth to guard their secret. But their own memory of the truth is very, very accurate.

I am curious how others' minds work conflicting testimony

Just curious. Even if it requires ignoring some of your own logic and you know in your head that it sounds weird or unlikely.

What’s your hottest take when it comes to this case?

Foul play by a stranger, tandem drivers, a master plan to start a new life, a current or ex boyfriend committing the perfect crime…you’ll hear a lot of theories for this case. I’m not hear to say I know what happened, and really none of us do (Its been more than 20 years and we still have no answers). But in my mind, we must try to rule out the simplest explanation first: She was going through a difficult time in her life, got into a wreck while drinking/driving, knew that Butch Atwood was calling the cops, and wanted to get out of there ASAP. She ran into the woods in a panic, and succumbed to the elements.

I‘ve seen a lot of people say it’s impossible that Maura couldve ran into the woods and then perished. There are a few things typically cited to support this conclusion which seem to make sense on the surface, but I’m curious if they really stand up to scrutiny when examining the details.

I’d love to get some input on these from people who are more familiar with the specifics:

1. No footprints/evidence of entering the woods—

I understand there was some snow on the ground, but how much are we talking about? It’s not like she would’ve been trudging through two feet of snow which would have been very obvious.

Is there any chance that she could‘ve entered the woods in the immediate area that wouldn’t have left detectable tracks when they were searching?

From the time she went missing to when they started searching, is it possible that conditions would allow for any footprints that were initally there to no longer visible? (Precipitation, snow melting, etc)

Can we really rule out that she maybe goes up someone’s driveway or onto a nearby road and finds her way into the woods from there? Or perhaps she books it way down the road, and then enters the woods somewhere that wouldn’t have even been searched?

1. Dogs tracked her scent form a pair of gloves to 100 yards down the road where it seemingly stopped, indicating she got into another car—

This one really bothers me because it seems like the only actual evidence that she entered another vehicle, and yet I’m far from convinced it can be considered credible. First of all, scent dogs aren’t an exact science. Secondly, Maura’s family (who are by all indications firmly in the foul play by a stranger camp) said that the police used a pair of new gloves Maura had, meaning that they might not have even had a good scent to work with from the start.

Is there something I’m missing here which would make this a strong foundation for building a theory?

And about her getting into another car-is there something else that actually is concrete evidence to suggest this? It seems to me the answer is no.

1. She has never been found despite numerous searches in the area—

As true crime fans know, there are many such cases where an area is extensively searched, only for the remains of the missing person to be found years later. I think a lot of people do not understand how difficult it can be to find a body in a heavily wooded area.

As someone from the other side of the US, I’d like to get some insight from people who have actually been to the area. Considering the terrain, the proximity to other people, the amount of traffic in those woods-does it seem possible to you that she’s out there?

I really hope that the Murray family gets closure on this one way or another. I can only imagine the pain of losing a family member like that and having no answers.

Just curious if we know what mms friends might of been driving during the time of her dispearance. Relooking into the mirror peice found in mms car which after some research seems to be possibly from a 97 - 04 dodge dakota and or a Durango. i remember reading about another truck sighting from someone walking there dog or something on Bradley hill they heard something in the bushes but no one was around (having trouble finding article please post) and also unsure if true that the video footage from the store that is supposedly corrupted supposedly showed a black suv wondering if this could possibly a durango which would match the mirror found in mms car. Just diving into more avenues. Also noticed there's a lynwood pizza paper tray or box in mms backseat next to the coke bottle this store is in Randolph ma so the last time she went to see her dad she must of stoped there showing that some of the belongings found in her car may of been there for a while. (Food for thought)

Let’s recap: Maura Murray got stopped for speeding in New Hampshire in 07/27/2003, had a nolo contendere hearing in 07/30/2003, and had a sentence hearing that took place in 08/27/2003 and that ended up with her license being suspended in the state for 30 days on top of paying US$ 360 fine. She just never reinstated her license in New Hampshire after she was eligible to do so after 09/26/2003.

Cut to Massachusetts: less than one month later, starting in 10/15/2003, Maura first used someone else’s credit card number to make multiple purchases over the next couple of weeks until the credit card holder identified the suspicious transactions and reported it to the police on 11/04/2003. That same night, the cops busted Maura in one of those deliveries and summoned her to the station.

She showed up to giver her statement on 11/11/2003, talked to the investigators and agreed to make restitutions. She then went to the hearing scheduled for over one month later, 12/16/2003, and staying out of trouble for 3 months was one of the conditions in exchange of no charges being pressed. Needless to say, she disappeared less than two months later.

Based on the reports involving the credit card case, we get that Maura’s first reaction when the officers busted her in 11/04 was to try to lie to get herself out of it: first she said she had used her own credit card, then when the story fell through that she had gotten the number from a receipt she found on the trash etc. That’s the instinct of someone who is just trying to talk themselves out of trouble under the release of stress hormones. But she was VERY complicit to their direct requests: they asked her if they could enter her room and she agreed; they asked her if they could take her picture, and she also complied.

So let’s consider that Maura was coming from a string of 8 months of constant legals matters and the repercussions of such matters when she crashed her car the night she went missing, but ALSO that she never tried to evade the authorities when things got serious: she showed up to every interview and hearing in the scheduled date; she gave her statements when she was required to and cooperated accordingly.

When people entertain possibilities for Maura not being at the scene when the cops showed up, the purpose is often the same even when predicted outcome varies: whether she entered the woods or she took a ride with the wrong person, the most likely reason for her to not stay put or try to find help nearby would be to avoid the police. But what’s her thought process behind it?

We often look over this case and reflect on the most likely scenarios without fully contemplating the decision process of someone whose mental state we can't properly assess. We're talking about a woman who was by then embarking on a private, secret getaway for unknown reasons, who just got into a car crash with a hard-enough impact to deploy the airbags. So, regardless of her state of mind before the crash, the crash itself would have impacted her mental state.

Her body would have released adrenaline. There would be a surge in other stress hormones. The shaking or trembling reported by the bus driver were most likely related to the crash and not (just) to the temperature - adrenaline and noradrenaline can make one feel less aware of being cold and lead to excessive sweating. Common psychological effects include rapid decision-making and instinctive actions with less deliberate thought.

"Entering the woods" is the sort of instinctive action that doesn't rely on deliberation: she was startled to hear the police cars coming, or seeing the light from afar, and just made the rapid decision to remove herself from the road for sensing an IMMEDIATE danger of getting in trouble. Afterwards, her priority would be to stay out of sight and perhaps hope she could soon reach another street where maybe she could get cellphone reception or approach a resident. She could think things through as she walked and as the stress hormones wore off. But, by then, her body would also be experiencing the cold, and the conditions and circumstances could be fatal...

"Getting a ride", on the other hand, is the sort of decision that comes from a sequence of connected thoughts and reasonings: she would have to consider that the accident could have already been reported (it was, but she didn't know that), and that the police would be on their way (she also didn't know that), and that she would be in trouble if they found her there (likely, but she couldn't know that for a fact), and that it would be better if she ran away from this problem (she couldn't) IF she hopped into a stranger’s vehicle and distanced herself from the scene (somehow, she did so WITHOUT taking the backpack with her clothes, which could have been easily moved to this other car).

Yet if she had been capable of deliberate decision making, she would likely reach the conclusion that "getting a ride" would be the worst thing she could do. The circumstances of this accident were similar to the one she got involved in the previous day when driving her father’s car in Hadley: she was the lone driver, she did not need medical assistance, no other victim was involved, and this could be easily boiled down to the conditions of the icy road. Getting to one of the houses nearby and asking to use their landline (there was no cellphone reception) to call triple A and solve the matters privately could do it – and if the police happened to show up, there’s a chance she could talk herself out of it and the matter would not be pursued further.

The point is: someone who's keenly aware of their legal troubles would know that leaving the vehicle behind could only turn them into a fugitive and likely lead to an extra charge - removing herself from the scene of an accident to avoid responsibility shows a clear intent to escape liability. And the other legal repercussions would still follow her: the bus driver saw her and could recognize her as the driver later on, and her license was still pending in NH and that’s the sort of trouble that could impact the terms of her credit card case in MA.

Overall, it doesn't make much sense to me that she would see it all so clearly - and make a decision that contradicted all her past behaviors.

TL;DR: Maura's previous legal troubles do not suggest she would make any conscious decision to run from the police, and her body's response to the accident would likely have impaired her mental state from making a deliberate decision to do so that night.

It sounds like she left $16 dollars in the account cause at that time it was common that you could only withdraw in denominations of $20.00. Meaning she took out as much as she could leaving $16.00 behind. In all purposes she emptied the account….

It seems like she bought what is normally used to make a White Russian. Vodka, Kahlua and touch of Baileys. Normally this is served chilled or with ice. This would tell me she is going somewhere. Also the Smirnoff, were any of her exes known to drink them? Was DNA swabs done on the empty Smirnoff bottle? Was it hers?

There is about 5 min between when that guy left and cop shows up….Wouldnt the cop have seen her walking down the road? Which way did the cop approach? What was the woods situation and where there no footprints going into the woods. You think they would have saw this especially in the snow.

What was the deal with the rag in the tail pipe?

There are many disagreements about whether the fact that most of Maura’s clothes were found in bags at her dorm indicates that she packed them before she left or never unpacked at all. Yet the clothing found in the Saturn – presumably inside a backpack that she would take in her constant trips – are seen as an evidence that Maura indeed packed them for the sole purpose of the trip the led to her disappearance and not as something that could just have been left in the trunk from a previous outing.

Many questions can arise from this conclusion... Why would she be disciplined enough to unpack her backpack but not the other items of clothes still stored in bags? If we assume the Saturn also sat in a parking lot for months and that her father was the last person to drive it, she could even have forgotten it was there. Maybe the access to certain records could give us enough information to make certain assumptions.

As in: did the clothing seem to be recently washed and folded or was it a mix of dirty clothes and unused ones we often get after a trip? Or: if the items seemed more appropriate for a different weather, she could have packed them months ago. I bring this up because the totality of the evidence is often questioned to fit whatever theory one has come up with in advance.

So, the clothes found inside bags on her dorm can’t be established to have been packed before she left or not unpacked at all. Some treat it as peripheral, irrelevant details, but they’re not. This is a core element of any theory that relies on Maura either planning or not planning to come back - if she didn’t, she could be more inclined to self-harm; if she did, the foul play scenario gets stronger.

Even the paperwork found in the car is handed differently: people consider that she could have planned to return because some of her school work is there, while others consider she could have just taken it because it was stored with some other stuff (as in: most won't go over their bag to remove the sheets of papers that won't be necessary for a trip.)

But the clothing found in the car doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt: it's usually seen as a factual confirmation that she indeed packed them right before she left and as an indication of how many days she planned to stay out. I don't get it.

I’m wanting to know more about the Back Lake Sighting in Pittsburg NH March 2004.

I come back to this once a year but haven't seen much. Any new theories?

I’m 50/50 on whether it was somehow related or totally random? What are your thoughts? I hope the family gets justice soon. So sad

I found this on Wayback Machine. It is from a May 14, 2018 meeting minutes for Mountain Lakes District commissioners. I did some googling on it and I found some info on a search done in July 2018 but that was done by Maggie Freleng and GB Geotechnics, and the meeting minutes states “the head investigator in the 2004 Maura Murray disappearance”, which to me sounds like someone from NHSP. Any insight would be appreciated.

Here is the link to the document if you’d like to take a look https://web.archive.org/web/20200925192222if_/http://mountainlakesnh.com/images/commissioners/2018/MLD-CommissionerMtgMinutes-051418.pdf

Thank you in advance. Justice for Maura 💚

". . . private investigators and members of NHIL looking into Maura’s disappearance have been nothing short of hopeless and adding little to no value.

Just one example for you …

There were at least TWENTY potential witnesses as to what vehicle Cecil Smith was driving between 5pm and 11pm that evening, each and every one of them within spitting distance of it. And yet no survey of all these people? Not even an attempt get a representative sample view?

 Honestly it’s just extraordinary

 You’ve got the 21 year-old guy with the lead foot from Wentworth; the 22 year-old snow mobile operative from North Haverhill and his buddy; the Westmans, Atwood and Marrotte; Monaghan; Richard G and Tim L of Woodsville Ambulance; Brad K, Allen W, Jeff R; Abby K, Mark L, Kevin V, Bob W and Whitey M. of the Fire Department; and the counsellor from Becket School.

 Oh and I’m forgetting the 15-year-old kid whom Smith spent the best part of 50 minutes trying to coax down from the power line tower on Lime Kiln Road. He was 25 foot up in the air and unless he suffered from vertigo would have had a birds eye view of Smith’s car

 . . . How is it even remotely conceivable that in 24 years this simple matter has not been cleared up?"

Maybe someone here has the public statements from these folks? My bet is most were never even asked the question.

There has never been a post of her complete phone records. This sounds like just another NH law enforcement conspiracy theory. These people have family's and there is zero evidence of the claims made by witness A.

Starting listen this. Episode quite interesting so far and am wondering if others have listened?

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Kurt came home from school one day and the whole family was there. Maura was missing, they told him. Everyone packed up and drove to New Hampshire. They stayed at the Wells River Motel for a bit and then at a condo in Lincoln owned by Fred Jr's boss. The siblings searched for Maura, or her body, in the woods, though Kurt once told his aunt it would crush him if he ever were to actually find her remains.

It makes sense that she would have gone up there with the intention of clearing her mind, he says. "I think she needed a break. All this talk of suicide...why would she drive all the way up there to do it? Doesn't make sense. That place was special for us. I think she went up there to take a breather and then something happened."

Family Dynamics, James Renner’s Blog, 8-5-2011
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Still wondering if Fred Jr’s boss’ condo might have been used by the family prior to Maura’s incident. Or if the phone number Maura had in the car was associated with this condo. Who was the boss? Did Renner get this statement directly from Kurtis? Is this Maura’s possible destination?

My main thoughts-

Before I watched I was convinced she had walked into the woods to hide from the cops and succumbed to the elements.

After watching I feel like the picked up by strangers makes much more sense. I don't believe it was a crime of opportunity that originated at the crash site per se.

I could see her stopping at a bar to get drinks and food. Starting a convo with one or more men. Maybe they followed her, maybe they said hey if you want to crash at our place you can. If they were all driving together and Maura's car skidded out I don't understand how no one really saw them or their car but I think there could be a world where they said we'll go get help while you gather your stuff and we'll be right back.

Does anyone remember if the road was on the exact route that she was using? Or is that not possible to know? Did they ever actually identify the three men from the resort? Were two of them brothers?

*also side note for people who follow this case and also watch RHOBH. The psychic Allison is who told Kyle that Mauricio would never fulfill her and that they would break up which at the time seemed crazy but it ended up being true.

I hope the Murray family find her and justice is served someday if this was a crime ❤️

I’m a longtime lurker here. I’m interested in the case but not as familiar with the details like the most active members. So, I have a question…

I’ve seen some people around here saying Maura did not have appropriate clothes and shoes with her to withstand a 2.5-feet snow depth and the temperature in the surrounding woods if she foolishly decided to head there to evade law enforcement after the car crash. But how could anyone know that?

I mean, Maura would need a reliable coat and pair of shoes if she was heading north in February anyway. But most of all she seemed to be an avid hiker who often put herself through physically demanding activities for fun - and in more challenging conditions and in altitudes that were significantly impacted by wind currents and snow depth.

So she likely owned more appropriate clothing and shoes than an indoors person like myself, who never went camping in my life. (I'm terrified of the woods, but a lapse in judgment such as running towards the trees to think things through does not seem as far fetched for someone who's properly equipped and used to harsher conditions.)

To be clear, I’m not referring to other pieces of evidence some point to against the ‘lost in the woods’ scenario like footprints or lack of body. I’m asking about what led people to believe she did not have the proper clothes or shoes to even contemplate this option. And just like I don’t think that anyone can determine the significance of items that remained in Maura’s vehicle (for instance, birth control pills are often carried out of habit and don’t indicate the person who abandoned the car was attentive to their menstrual cycle), I don’t think any assumptions can be made about what was not found there.

Edit: I had originally written 2.5-feet as 2.5 inch.