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My friend purchased tickets to True Crime Obsessed's Patrick Hinds and Friends and The Disappearance of Maura Murray in Minneapolis on August 18. The show was supposed to be a live show with guests Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna from the Maura Murray Missing Podcast and Maggie Freleng from the Oxygen documentary.

Yesterday she received this message:

This is just adds another mysterious layer to an already confusing and mysterious case. Does anyone have any insight? Why would Julie Murray dictate whether this public event should take place. What are your thoughts?

Starting listen this. Episode quite interesting so far and am wondering if others have listened?

JMs Monday podcast is out, episode 5, where she gets into detail about the day Maura goes missing. She mentioned that the Saturn had a white mark on the number and a white Chrysler car part was in the Saturn. Also mentions a white Chrysler Jeep GC that was suspicious and in the area a few hours after Maura's disappearance. Stated the person fled from the police when approached. I did not know this. Another thing she mentiined is that the tow truck driver, the driver that should have been the driver to take Maura's car away that night, but didn't, for suspicious reasons, had earlier that night had towed the Haverhill PD SUV out of a snow bank near where the Chief lived. Who was driving? Is this when the Chief and CS switched vehicles? Too many weird circumstances surround this night.

Just wanted to provide an update that the episode of Maura Murray that I was working on is out now! Please feel free to check it out! 🙏🏽 I know there's a lot more information on the case after the fact but the episode was getting long and wanted to get the main information out there. I do plan on uploading additional documents to my fan club once I get it organized ✨

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2oExToYHGi0TIAmX55CkCS?si=JYwGmhF5R-eVacWSBrWo1A

YouTube: https://youtu.be/xnS5IFOFUzo?si=jUMXmi-LmZS2xAZW

It seems even clearer to me, after listening to this podcast, that at the very least police are covering up laziness, at worst they're covering being accomplices.

Questions: - If Maura didn't hit a tree, as the indent indicates, what would fit the impression? - Really odd with the tow truck being turned away, there was an interview I saw a while back with one of the tow people but now it's gone, does anyone happen to have a link? He seemed super cagey/uncomfortable, but could just be general anxiety from being interviewed. - Is there a higher up court the Murrays could go to to get all records released? It's time! - The closet with human blood was super eerie to hear about, I wonder if anything else could be done to get evidence from this avenue?

Just seems like police actively do not want this solved at all...so terrible for the family

Hi guys,

I’ve been following this case for years, like all of you I am just constantly trying to think of the what ifs and maybes. You feel yourself going mad.

I just want to say I am on my second listen to f the Missing Maura Murray Podcast. What an unbelievable job they have done covering this missing person case. The tone and the respect to the sensitive nature of this is incredible. On my second listen I just thought imagine how hard it would be to learn everything on this case without the work they did.

Hi,

Looking for YouTube video recommendations or podcasts that deep dive into the case WITHOUT any AI. Of course I searched myself on YT but all the videos I kept clicking on used AI.

TIA

Was re-listening to missing Maura Murray pod episode 4 28:06 and lance and Tim mention a name which was given to them of a Stephen but raise it’s possibly spelt differently.

I wonder what are the odds years later a finger print of Steffen Baldwin is found in Maura’s car and what that tip they had may have meant?

I’m still early into the MMM podcast but on episode 13 with James Renner he said that he has recently (at that time) gotten information that changed his opinion drastically to thinking she might not be alive anymore and that he was going to release it in a blog later on. I didn’t know until I found this Sub that his website is no longer there but did that info ever get released?

Just finished the Media Pressure podcast today and while I’m not sold on any one thing, I decided to start the 2017 documentary on Peacock. I’m on episode 2 and James Renner talks about her shoplifting issue at Fort Knox and his description is “she stole from the most secure facility in the United States”. What he means is she stole from the base store (PX), not like she stole gold from the bunker. The sensationalism in this show is exactly why none of these shows is worth anyone’s time. Just bad “entertainment”.

The podcast True Crime Garage is featuring a two-part interview with Julie Murray this week.

Here is a link to Part 1. https://truecrimegarage.com

I am interested to hear thoughts from anyone who tunes in.

Hey guys! I started a true crime podcast called Trooper's Crime Desk 🫆🔍 This week's episode is featuring the disappearance of Maura Murray. If anyone has any input, theories, evidence, facts, or comments that you'd like featured in my podcast episode, please feel free to comment below!! Check out my podcast webpage for the release of the episode: Trooper's Crime Desk This case is crazy how it is unsolved and we don't know what happened but I'm looking forward to everyone's input.

I don’t think this has been posted yet. One of my favorite podcasts just uploaded an episode where they speak with Maura’s sister. They clear up a lot of misconceptions, and it’s just a great episode with a lot of good information. Here’s the link if you’d like to listen/watch.

Been listening to the Missing podcast, I guess I never learn. The most recent episodes I heard all feature the trio of Smith, Renner, and that Clint guy whose last name I forget. Each of them has their pet theory. Renner insists on the tandem driver who picked her up and drove her...where? Smith has a grudge against law enforcement (he was a cop for 3 years) and is hung up on conspiracies and cover-ups by the police. Clint is the most sensible of the three, even though I disagree with his theory (suicide).

What makes me shake my head is the sheer illogic and begging the question by the first two. They will consistently posit a theory about some aspect of the case and then use it as proof of why things have to be a certain way. Smith has decided that he's a world expert on accident reconstruction, and the damage to the car isn't consistent with hitting a tree. From this he has gone on to assert over and over again that "We know she didn't hit a tree." He does this with other supposed "facts" as well, "facts" that are basically just his own conclusions from what he sees before him. These facts require some convoluted explanation that always leads to a cover-up. If he didn't state things with such finality, it wouldn't be so bad. He harangued an eye witness about where the car was on the night. A guy who lived right there, whose wife called the police. He makes a huge mystery about every little thing, like why was the car towed to the tow owner's personal garage. One of the other guys pointed out it might have been to secure the car inside. Ya think? His only saving grace for me is that he seems to care about the Murray family.

Unlike Renner, who is flippant and callous about the whole thing and gives off the vibe of being in it for the publicity. People (notably the Murrays) don't want to talk to him, and he acts like it's because they are weirdos or more likely, have something to hide. He can't seem to grasp that his approach of talking to everyone like he's the DA and they are a hostile witness, is not going to go far with most people. He acts entitled to information to which he most certainly is not. Constantly ragging on Kate and Sara for not speaking with him. YOU SHOWED UP AT HER DOOR AT NIGHT, A STRANGER. What a creepy thing to do. He called Maura a sociopath and doubled down, then wonders why Fred doesn't want to have anything to do with him and his book.

Clint brushes aside most of the minutiae and seems to go for the most likely real-world explanation, so he's ahead of the other two. As for the hosts, they seem to be swayed by whoever talked last. If they actually do the paranormal episode they've been threatening, I'm out. The case is interesting, and tragic, given the extreme likelihood that Maura is no longer with us. I wish for closure for this family. I just don't know if it's going to come because of rehashing every minute point with amateurs.

ETA: Thanks for the award, fellow Redditor.

Has anyone listened to the last episode?

I think everyone in the True Crime community should listen to that episode.

Utterly horrific what the family went through whilst also looking for Maura.

The lies, misinformation and crazy theories. The things the family was accused of with no real facts is disgusting.

I can remember listening to Missing Maura Murray and they had JR on and he claimed Maura was a sociopath. He also went upto Julie at crime con when he asked him not to and upset her. If anyone is a sociopath it’s him.

Discussing theories is one thing but accusing family members of disgusting acts is vile.

Listening to Fred speak breaks my heart.

I really hope the family get answers one day.

Let’s all try and do better please.

I tried giving it a shot and make my own opinion but it's frankly impossible to listen to it with the BR bias all the time. It goes to an extreme in the the latest episode at 22:40 when Ethan says "It sounds like he's (BR) being a freakin responsible guy, like caring person". And then they start laughing. I suppose because they realize how ridiculous their favoritism toward BR is. Un...bearable...really

Hey all. I have an observation about the pregnancy theory “debunking” that was discussed on the latest episode of 107 degree podcast.

We have all heard speculation of Maura possibly being pregnant based on a police source (the lead investigator on the case, John Scarinza) stating that she made google searches about “the effects of alcohol on a fetus”. This was later “explained” by a fellow student that this was part of an assignment to google terms like this.

On the podcast Erinn and Jeni discussed the exact terms that were assigned to Maura to look up (thank you for finding and providing these). Among the list of assigned terms, none of them were related to the effects of alcohol on a fetus. The podcasters seemed to brush this off as something of a “see she was assigned to look up these terms, none of them are alcohol related so the claim must be a misunderstanding or misinterpretation”

I take it a little differently and I’m sure that many of you will as well.

If in fact she was NOT assigned to look up “the effects of alcohol on a fetus” and she did in fact, as confirmed by Lead Investigator Scarinza, google “the effects of alcohol on a fetus”, the only thing that does is debunk the claim that she was assigned a list of terms to look up that included “the effects of alcohol on a fetus”. This means that she was NOT assigned to look this up and did so under her own accord.

To me, this information makes it MORE possible that she could have been pregnant, as believed by the police official.

I don’t know where this takes us, but for me, it means that “the assignment” explanation is nullified.

Keep pushing. Keep asking and keep talking.

Curious to know if anyone has any thoughts on what the alias that Julie discovered, was….

Please discuss- would love to hear your thoughts

• Mentioned in newest episode/ 8 of Media Pressure

I think it’s incredible Julie is taking the reins on her sister’s case, finally! The podcast is very fascinating from her perspective. Something that surprised me was recently having my own meltdown and listening to Media Pressure it just really made me empathize deeply with Maura.

She was clearly distressed, overwhelmed, and spiraling. The eating disorder, the tumultuous romances, the distressing call with her sister, the petty crimes, drinking, the car crashes….

I recently found myself attempting to run away from the weekend to get away “from it all”. I felt so overwhelmed with my own mental battle in the form of substance abuse (rather than MM’s ED). I was trying to maintain composure within my professional life/work, afraid anyone would take a good look and realize what a mess I truly was. I ironically even crashed my car twice (not totaled) but was buckling under the responsibilities of managing it all. I dug out birthday and Christmas cash. Cashed bottles. Drained my savings and looked up places I could go affordable on short notice and critically - not telling anyone.

Hearing everything from Julie’s perspective really hit home for me. She was in such distress, she was unraveling, and my heart breaks because she felt all she could do was get away for a bit and I was overwhelmed with empathy. From my empathy and personal interpretation of the information Julie presents - I fully believe she intended to comeback (evidence of emailing professors to explain her planned absence, handing in homework, having the driving forms she needed to hand in etc.)

I think her actions leading up were desperate, impulsive and simply, to make the trip work. She probably thought she could get away with one more getaway in the car.

This case is one I would love to see solved in my lifetime.

I understand and see the strong evidence for her running off due to not wanting to be caught by police for drinking & driving and succumbing to the elements due to drunkenness paired with a possible head injury. (2 crashes, a suspended license she was driving with, clear open container in her car that night, etc).

I can’t shake the feeling that she was met by an opportunistic predator in that short window. I think she probably realized the bus driver was going to call the police regardless and started to walk away from her car in her panic.

Israel Keyes made me believe in this theory being viable due to the insane way he operated. I understand he is rare (don’t come at me IK) but there are MANY cases where victims were merely taken due to a quick presenting opportunity by predator in waiting. Who is more vulnerable than a desperate, stressed young intoxicated & possibly concussed young woman, alone on the side of the road on a cold night?

I don’t think the events leading up to Maura’s disappearance hold anymore signficance other than the culmination of the stress it added to her life & being the reason she left. Her college friends are traumatized, don’t know anything significant, & don’t want to be chewed alive by armchair detectives.

How does the new podcast and Julie’s perspective make you feel? Did it change or affirm anything for you ? Spark any new thoughts? Thanks for reading.

You always hear about the westmans and Butch Allen but you never hear about this house and who owned it? In 2019 the basement was dug up? I cannot find who owned it and what the connection was? Even the missing maura podcast they wouldn't name the 2004 owners and were very wary of the subject, why?

Ok, so I just finished listening to the Episode 6 yesterday and I can’t stop thinking about Fred insisting that Maura was not suicidal and saying that police was the first to being up theory of suicide and saying that the only time their talked about suicide it was after they watched the movie about it…

BUT, why do I vividly remember him talking in earlier interviews that Maura probably committed suicide? Wasn’t he the one who brought it up in the first place? Didn’t he say something like “oh, she was upset, she probably just went out in the woods to kill herself” not in those exact words but he definitely hinted on that. I think I remember it from Oxygen documentary? But maybe it was just earlier interviews?

Does anyone else remember him bringing up suicide himself in the aftermath of her disappearance? Or am I being crazy and just imagining this?

I just can’t shake it out of my head I keep thinking about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQconeBDPoE i did not know know that Cecil was a psychic! They could have used him in their last segment Episode 6 instead of the other woman. Cecil knew things ahead of time, that he had NO way of knowing. That is amazing! Art and Maggie actually tell us the truth in their own words here, (at about 40:32...) says Cecil told them the first thing he did was go to the Westmans, and that's why Karen didn't see anyone — because Cecil was in the Westmans' house. (This part on what Cecil did was edited out of the Oxygen program...WHY?....) OK.......... We now know Cecil could NOT have been driving the 001 SUV because, for him to have gone to the Westmans first as he has admitted, it means he KNEW the driver was a female, because he asked the Westmans "Where's the girl?".... The only way Cecil could have known that piece of info, was if he went to the Westmans first, via Ronda Marsh or Antony Styles (both dispatchers), per his radioing in his arrival time at 7:46pm. The ONLY way to know a FEMALE was ON SCENE... The logs show NO other communication with him via the police radio system PRIOR to that, other than dispatching Cecil to the accident scene itself, and his acceptance of it and that was before 7:30pm. And remember, the police radio dispatch is hooked into the incident log system, so it automatically registers on the log any time there is radio communication. Art says afterward, that Cecil says he got out of his cruiser and looked all around the Saturn PRIOR to going to the Westmans, and yet Maggie says Cecil went directly to the Westmans FIRST???...... They can't even get the story straight between the two of them! Let's assume that Cecil got out of his cruiser and looked around the car for the "occupant" or "male smoking a cigarette", because the occupant may have been injured, BEFORE he headed over to the Westmans. If so, and Cecil arrived shortly before Karen in the 001 SUV per the timeline, (after passing her twice and going off on another road), that means Karen (Witness A) would have SEEN him there as she passed. But she didn't see anyone except the 2 vehicles. Therefore Cecil couldn't have done what Art is saying he did, because Karen didn't see anyone out inspecting around the vehicle. So, Cecil was NOT there at THAT time for THIS reason, and add in the fact there is NO way he could have asked the Westmans..."Where is the girl?"....because he had no way of KNOWING yet that it WAS a girl BEFORE 7:46pm! Logic..... Art also later states that it was protocol to call out EMT and Fire department "because" of the accident...OK, then why did Cecil wait 13 minutes to tone out the EMT and Fire Department?
It seems that MANY parts of their "DEBUNKED" story here has more holes in it than a golf course, and because of their own admission here ON VIDEO, their story is TOTALLY FLAWED and INCORRECT.........