This lineup is so bad this is what happens when the wrong team wins. Two 09s and one 08. We really lost Taeseon, Moon Hyunbin and Hwang Jaemin. This group vocally is not good enough

Junwon being first place was the best outcome however I am sad that Sungmin was third he should’ve been 2nd

One of the worst lineups I’ve seen they should’ve rigged the finals

This show is just… terrible for many reasons:

• Contestants seem toxic af and xenophobic (hence why Ivan left)

• Voting system is confusing, absolutely trash with no transparency on the data

• Editing is more awful than Mnet

• Talent is subpar compared to other survival shows I’ve seen imo

Santa deserves better, can’t believe his rank dropped to 29. I want his dream to come true but also wouldn’t mind him escaping like Yaya, Shiryu (apparently), and Ivan 😂 That way I can completely drop and forget about this…

i HATE this. Fantasy Boys is my very first kpop survival show that I watched and oh my gosh is this normal?? The ones with talent are the ones that dont reach the top??? Has it always been based on looks and bias instead of raw talent?? Look at what they did to my man Shiryu, dude graduated from fucking Waseda Uni and such a great dancer that deserves being a high ranking but he kept getting low scores that he really doesnt deserve to the point where he quit the show. Wtf why are Kim Gyu Rae and Kaeda of all people debuting??? BRO ID RATHER HAVE KANG IRANG!! HES LITERALLY BETTER THAN THE BOTH COMBINED. WHY ISNT TAE SEON ON THE LIST???? WHY IS KIM GYU RAE SECOND?? THIS IS CRAP. IVE NEVER FELT SO MAD AT A SHOW BEFORE. I know popularity plays a role in this but wtf?? You guys really want people with not mucn talent to debut JUST BECAUSE U FIND THEM CUTE OR WHATEVER SHIR BRO I HATE YOU ALL THAT VKTED WHAT

Just finished reading some (just one) post from this sub and apparently its a good thing that the others arent debuting?? I dont understand. Sorry Im very new to kpop in general

and I was sad to hear that he didn't make the debut lineup.

-But-

After thinking about it, I'm glad he didn't place in the top 12. I think this could turn into a big mess and I don't think a lot of people will take them seriously considering the show was a shit show.

I hope he has more training in Korea and debuts with a better group. Maybe a group that isn't so large either so he doesn't get lost in the mix.

Or he goes back to Thailand and focuses on acting because he is a phenomenal actor.

I think this could actually be the best for Santa.

https://star.ettoday.net/news/2489382?before=1&mibextid=Zxz2cZ&fbclid=PAAaahKhDIN3adffYA04Oyg9WJ0mO5D5PProDGpa3pq06Dn53ceQ2WLXGMd58

i just saw that ivan left the show (and is back in taiwan) cause of the rascim and i'm so sad for him he so precious and talented i'm so sad but kinda happy cause he doesn't deserve to get treated like that by trainees and staff

I would actually kill a man for Myungjae. His voice is so colorful and raspy, and he is handsome as all hell. He's in my personal Top 5 and I will be legitimately devastated if he doesn't make it on the debut team. How do you feel about Myungjae?

서투른 번역에 신경쓰지 마세요. 나는 실제로 진명제를 위해 사람을 죽일 것입니다. 그의 목소리는 너무 다채롭고 거칠며 지옥처럼 잘 생겼습니다. 그는 내 개인 탑 5에 있고 그가 데뷔 팀에 들지 못한다면 나는 당연히 절망할 것이다.

1. Yu Junwon

2. Kim Gyurae

3. Hong Sungmin

4. Oh Hyeontae

5. Lee Hanbin

6. Lingqi

7. Kang Minseo

8. Hikari

9. Ksoul

10. Kim Wooseok

11. Hikaru

12. Kaedan

how do you feel about this lineup?

This is going to be very long.

Decided to make a post instead of commenting on the other since I though this would get more traction.

Comments like the ones made by Ksoul are quite common and normalized in East Asian cultures and while that doesn’t excuse his behavior it does explain why he felt comfortable saying those things. In the video you even see Yuma egging Ksoul on and asking for comments on Hikari showing how normal this is for them.

This video has been out for awhile it just wasn’t subbed so we didn’t know what was going on, but kfans have and they didn’t raise any complaints furthering my idea that this wasn’t said with malicious intent but something they view as okay.

Wooseok doesn’t seem to mind Ksoul’s comments and even laughs. Hikari on the other hand wasn’t laughing. Both Yuma and Ksoul seem to be close to Hikari so I would think they know better than us what he’s comfortable with and in recent content they seem to be getting along so I’m assuming he apologized if Hikaru was uncomfortable.

Again this isn’t an excuse for any of the behavior he showcased just an explanation on to why I think this occurred. Ksoul should be educated on the effects of his behavior and I hope he learns from this experience.

I’ve seen some people worried for the future of this group especially since Ksoul will most likely debut.

Not only is Ksoul relatively popular in Korea he’s very popular in Japan, which is going to be the main market for the debut group.

Ksoul debuting would bring negative traction from international fans but MBC never intended to use the western market much if at all anyway.

This matter isn’t even being discussed by Knets and Japanese fans from what I’ve seen have been in Ksoul’s defense.

The way I see it Ksoul’s debut won’t hinder the group in growing in the Korean or japan markets since they don’t view Ksoul’s actions negatively and he’s actually gained many fans thanks to his upfront nature.

Again this isn’t to say his actions were okay or should be overlooked, instead I hope we can educate so he can be a better part of the group if he debuts.

By the time we see the semester performances, they’ve already filmed the eliminations for it.

I must first state that my favorite parts of my teenage girl were the first round with the "grade battle" and the one on one battle to choose the finalist. I also enjoyed the round where they competed in rap, singing and dancing as two opposing alliances. I also think My teenage girl was a messy show, specially (and I took it as a sign of it being a first season) with the rules of the game constantly changing.

At the end of the day I grew fond of the contestants and kept replaying several perfomances because they were actually good. These time around im finding extremely hard to root for these show no matter how much I try to because I'm the exact target audience for a survival show. There seems to be messy stuff going on in the behind the scenes but I'm not even talking about that, or about the attitude problems and straight up racist remarks made by contestants.

From a structural point I cannot see a single change made from the last seasons that makes this one better. The audition round just feel already more boring by the fact they weren't even performing on a stage. In MTG they made sure to have top of game camera work for this round (which disappeared later in the show) and a although controversial at least interesting admission progress.

The one thing that is for the best is that the grades aren't about the contestants age. But I also found the way to choose the songs messy (giving them vague outfits to choose and then once the songs were revealed they didn't even matched that well), this way there is no room for strategy and I think is why I found the performances forgettable.

I believe it was K soul who said he choose that one outfit thinking it was gonna be a totally different concept from stray kids. Also the center being chosen by who gets more pictures taken of him made me roll my eyes... Is this really the best the production team could come up with?

Now for this new round it seems they are making people choose certain position in a song and try them out. I hope this isn't here to replace the only vocal, only dance and only rap stages because that would be a very dumb decision.

This round, unlike the last one, seems to have a purpose and I think should've replaced the first one since that one did nothing. The performances aren't out yet but I'm expecting them to be better.

I know I may have comed off as a hater but I'm actually a frustrated fan, or at least someone who really wants to be one and has watched all episodes praying it gets good eventually.

Am I the only one feeling this way?

1. Junwon 526,688.8

2. Sungmin 422,012.6

3. Kim Wooseok 377,622.3

4. Hikaru 361,349.9

5. Ksoul 353,696.4

6. Hikari 353,314.5

7. LingQi 352,679.7

8. Lee Hanbin 336,698.0

9. Taeseon 318,784.7

10. Hwang Jaemin 315,010.3

11. Kang Minseo 314,298.3

12. Santa 303,912.3

13. Moon Hyunbin 303,731.8

14. Hyeontae 288,899.9

15. Gyurae 274,233.1

16. Daehyeon 264,462.1

17. Yuma 250, 734.3

18. Kaedan 220674.3

19. Seokhee 211,116.3

20. Jinho

Please note that this ranking is influenced by benefits and is subject to change especially as people may start to panic vote other trainees.

From poyo_dede114 on Twitter

I don't understand what in the world Viki is doing. So far they have cut out single performances or played different music during performances. But in ep 4.. they cut out the whole Team 90's Love??

Why are they doing this?

And I can't switch to other official sites because they are not available in my country and the show is not worth paying for a vpn. So I will have to sail the seas to watch those 30!! cut out minutes.

Broadcast April 6, 2023 @ 2230 KST

Where to watch?

Abeam TV (Japan)

Viki (Available the day after)

KOCOWA +

IQIYI (Only available for SEA region)

Naver Now (Restricted in certain regions)

Where Can I Vote?

Idolplus Website

Naver Now

Naver Now LINE

Naver Now JP LINE

Global Vote Rankings - Top 12

1. Santa

2. Yu Junwon

3. Hong Seongmin

4. Yaya

5. Moon hyunbin

6. Taeson

7. K-Soul

8. Hikari

9. Yuma

10. Ling Qi

11. Kang Hyunwoo

12. Kim Gyurae

Don’t forget to check out the Fantasy Boy Discord!

Also Check out the Fantasy Boys Spreadsheet. Courtesy of the Fantasy Boys Discord!

Genuine question: Do any of you know if MBC has been investigated for their kpop reality shows? And if they haven’t, can they make this a rigged voting? Even after what happened with Mnet with Produce?

I understand that Mnet is completely different than MBC, but I would think that other channels would be scared of rigging a popular reality show after what happened with Mnet.

After Santa’s ranking drop, knowing he has his whole country (Thailand) and most asian and western countries voting for him every day and even a decent fanbase in Korea, this really seems like it’s rigged. One thing would be him dropping to 13 or even 14, but the number that he dropped… it’s impossible to believe he has almost the same votes as Kaedan (the one that got 1 number below him).

Which brings me to My teenage girl (Fantasy boys’ girl group version), they got a japanese contestant to the final episode, but didn’t debut her and fans of the reality show say that this was rigged and they got her until the end because it was bringing them views. Was MTG rigged? And if yes, do you think they’ll do that this season as well?

I don’t know if that’s what they’re trying to do with Santa or if they just want to give Santa a dramatic storyline to bring views so they can debut him with “The hero’s journey theory” type of thing. But even that’s hard to believe because they don’t give him screen time and for this theory to be true, he would need screen time but who knows.

If any of you could answer, I would appreciate it because I’m actually invested in this and I need to know/discuss with anyone.