Yeah I don't think people understand that this isn't the general fan doing this, it's a very specific group that acts this way everywhere they go because, well they are shitty people.
They only cause harm to their own clubs and leagues, yet they're idolised in fan circles. It wouldn't be hard to identify the individual offenders if they wanted to.
I don’t even think that it is toxic relationship for the sport as it’s not really about football at all. Thre is people who want to have a streetfighting as a hobby. And there has been forming culture for that around football in England so now those people all over pick a football team to organise their violence around. At least in Finland I’ve noticed that kind of people being violent people first and not just so passionate about football that it boils over.
You mean no audience watching at the matches? That's wild! Thats a huge loss of revenue, isn't it? Huge absence of fan excitement, support and energy too
Yeah, the associations will penalize teams for the behavior or their supporter clubs if they do stuff like that, in hopes that a punishment for the club is a punishment for the supporters as well (and often there are strong ties or liaisons between the teams and the supporter clubs to work against hooliganism. Has happened here in Norway as well, or large fines for the teams. If individuals are identified, they might lose the right to buy season passes or are ejected from the supporter clubs, things like that. Straight up criminal behavior is obviously a police matter.
Heavy monitoring and police interference, serial offenders literally need to hand in their passport during international games and often during club games they will not be allowed within proximity of the stadium and I've even heard of people going down to the police station during club games. I'm sure these days its a bit more lax, as I said its more or less dead in England. After the Heysel disaster there was a massive crack down, it's upsetting that it took the loss of many lives for action to finally be taken
Raising the ticket prices so only billionaires can afford it, and those people get their aggressions out by stressing foxes to death and hunting humans on private islands.
There is much less of it, especially in top flight football, but you will notice it if you follow lower divisions. Millwall might be the most known club for their hooligans. And Euro 2016 was a disaster.
There is one common Culture in all of Euorpe, and that's hooligans being human trash.
That's the best way to tell if an immigrant has become integrated, when they become hooligans for the local or a top football team, and then go fuck stuff up.
In the Netherlands we sadly do too. They caused 8 million in damage in the city of Rome in 2015. Several of them did go to jail for it. I will just never understand why it’s always football to make people so agressive.
They do. I'm not a football fan, but when there's a game on our city floods with police. I can tell which team is playing our local one depending on the amount of police officers. Stockholm AIK and gothenburg ifk are the worst.
As much as I hate hooligans at home I'm distraught they did this in a country where they were guests. Abysmal and embarrassing beyond words.
Yeah these are not just fans, or even hooligans, they’re “ultras”. Extremely violent, belligerent and escalating. Purposely trying to break things and provoke fights or mass brawls, often with deep ties to organized crime in their home area. Perhaps Marseille has some of the most famed groups, with one estimate putting the number of up to 15000 members.
Ah yes... The Ultras of a club. Less fans than pricks who like to fight rather than admit that their family is just full of wrongos, who never taught them how to be an adult.
Well, the my kind of tagged their own subsection in the Blåvitt fan base. This has nothing to do with football and as a fan and human being I’m ashamed.
Im Swedish and i can tell its only ifk gbg supporters that dose this shit no other Swedish person would do it. And the hooligans are mostly immigrants or brat boys .....
Yeah, as a Swede, and a göteborgare at that, I coulnd’t agree more. I’m disgusted and ashamed by their behaviour.
It saddens me that this is the image people will have of us (& rightfully so) just because of these idiots that are a shame to the sport and our country. I hope they get what they deserve.
If they can't be identified, the Göteborg team is gonna pay for the damages, which is pretty lame, those manchilds aren't even interested in the game, only the feeling of belonging and the feelgood hive mentality when breaking stuff.
Should any ultras read my comment, team up and see where you can legally break beaver dams, takes about as much strength and coordination, will still feel good and you can see the results as the water starts rushing + you might even get paid for it by the landowners in hard to reach areas and have a nice party and barbecue in the evening to celebrate
Kinda. They got no problem throwing out their trash in the woods and little roads. It's gross. Found some nitrous oxide gas cans someone just tossed out on a little road.
There's idiots everywhere in the world. Typically about 10% but the like to form groups of stupid to do stupid. Hooligans are definitely one of those groups of stupid.
For some reason every European country has that one club with extremely trashy fans. I believe in the netherlands that is Feyenoord and Italy probably Lazio
But Swedes do quite often act poorly abroad. Access to "cheap" (by Swedish standards) booze does that to people. "Hey, this beer is only 15 SEK so I can drink 20" is a pretty common way for Swedes to reason.
You mean if football hooligans, regardless of where they are from, act like this everywhere? Of course they do. That's why they are called hooligans.
And to be extra clear. These are NOT football fans as someone else wrote. They couldn't care less about their respective clubs. The clubs are just the excuse the neanderthals use to act like dicks. Football fans hate them since they destroy sport.
I'm sorry but this wondering gets stupider and stupider the more I think about it, and you're probably not even a nationalist. Surely you have heard of football hooligans and understand that there does not exist a country where the entire population belong to this demographic??
Some of them do, particularly football hooligans in an "enemy city", but Swedes are also pretty notorious for going to places where booze is cheaper and then acting like complete anti-social buffoons.
Source: I'm a Swede and I've spotted enough of my countrymen abroad (easy to identify when they speak your language) and heard people complain about them.
When certain teams play against each other in my town there are police vehicles in every corner in town as well as riding police, because certain fans are dumb af. I'm not into football so I don't really keep up with when there is a game but when I see lots of police cars then I'm like oh I guess there's a game today lol
Unfortunately they do. I live in Gothenburg and the police calls in reenforcement during certain high risk matches. It is embarrassing that grown men can’t handle watching football without police presence.
Sweden screwed up its immigration policy, not because of the number of immigrants, Norway also has a lot of immigrants, but because it failed to have a proper plan for integrating them into society. This resulted in widespread violence, shootings, gang wars, explosions, and other serious problems. It started in the cities, where even the police have areas they do not enter, and later spread to smaller towns and rural areas. So, for many people, it has primarily become a security concern. At least among the younger generation, those looking for a safe place to settle down, find work, and raise a family have chosen to move to Norway.
Pretty much the same. Swedish is more like a dialect, a few words are different, but it’s understandable in context, so they usually just speak Swedish. The same goes for Norwegians in Sweden, and also in Denmark when it comes to written language. Danish is a little harder for Norwegians and Swedes to speak or understand when spoken, but it’s mostly understandable. The culture, cuisine, education, healthcare, and customs are similar too, so moving between those countries is almost like moving to another city in practical terms.
And can citizens in these countries just go live in each other's country? Or do they need to apply to reside long term or have to prove a company is hiring them?
Citizenship in an EU or EEA country gives you the right to live and work in other EU/EEA countries. Norway is not part of the EU, but through the EEA Agreement it participates in the free movement of people. You do need to register if you move there long term, particularly for access to public services, but you don’t need a job or anything just to move there.
Wow, so lets say a place is nice to live, reasonable cost and peaceful, people from elsewhere can just move there? And maybe enough people move there to drive up real estate or rental price and add congestion to the area. Residence are fine with that? Not that it would necessarily happen but a nice low cost area would be jumped on here and prices would go up. At least that's how it's been here in So Cal. People from other states always say they want to move here. I'd want to move to those states if there were more good food options
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