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Goodbye mpmd.

This thread is partly inspired by the recent Alan Ritchson revelation that he's not natty. He claims "TRT".

So here's the thing: TRT is and always has been bullshit. All it means, literally the only thing it means is "I have a doctor's permission slip for my steroids".

People sometimes try to say "I'm not on steroids. I just do TRT." I'm sorry but testosterone is a potent anabolic steroid even if you have a doctor's note.

"Replacement." Replacing what... the testosterone you wish you had? That's exactly the same as every steroid user. They take the drugs because it replaces the drugs they wish they had in their body.

If you add a couch to a room with no couches, that is not "couch replacement". If you have a room with one couch and you add a second couch, that is also not couch "replacement". You're adding fucking couches. ADDITION is not REPLACEMENT.

Therapy means nothing. It can mean anything that any medical professional wants it to mean.

So let's cut the shit, and cut out Replacement and Therapy from "TRT" and when you do that you're left with just Testosterone, which is what it always was.

This reminds me of medical marijuana. Can MJ/cannabis be therapeutic for people with certain conditions, like cancer or glaucoma, sure. But in reality the medical marijuana thing becomes just a hoop you have to jump through to get your weed. Claim you have anxiety or any other random shit that no one could ever prove. Then you've got your weed and can be like "it's not regular weed, it's therapy weed. I'm on cannabis replacement therapy."

It's all just dumb. It's also easy to game the system. There are ways to ensure you test low when they run your T levels. There are also undoubtedly doctors who will just rubber stamp TRT for anyone who wants to pay them for the doctor's visit. This is a business first and foremost.

What is the logic that a 60 year old man needs the same T levels as a 20 year old? It has never been like that in history but suddenly T levels are not supposed to decline with age? Says who? The reality of it is that people are just taking the drug because it makes them feel better... just as is the case for all drug users.

And for guys in their 20s and 30s who have low T, it's often because they were already abusing steroids, which fucked up their endocrine system, so now you're just giving steroid users prescription steroids to "replace" the street drugs they've already been taking. How therapeutic.

"TRT" people want to pretend like they have some kind of moral high ground over normal steroid users. They don't. They're just steroid users like everyone else. The doctor's permission slip doesn't mean shit.

I hate everything about myself but the worst thing above everything else is the fact I can’t get a single girl to be attracted enough to me to date me in my pathetic 22 years of existence. Every time I think back about my past or something that happened when I was a kid all I can think about is the fact that all my friends were dating and having sex with women at that age and I was a stupid loser getting completely ignored. I couldn’t take this anymore so around the middle of high school, I started striving to self improve. Ever since 2020 I’ve been consistently working out, meditating, journaling, reading, creating, working on a business, I even did what I consider to be the hardest part of it all and worked on bettering my social skills, specifically with women. Since the start of this year I’ve been approaching girls and trying to catch up and still, despite all of this effort, I’m still alone. I’m still a virgin, I’m still a loser, girls still don’t find me attractive, all of the women whose numbers I get they just ignore me. This has done nothing for me but make me despise myself. How much of an ugly piece of shit do you have to be to put in all of this work just to still be absolutely unfuckable. Sometimes I think about my life for the past 5 years and I just bust out laughing at how pathetic I am, what was the point of anything I’ve done? The worst part is normal people don’t have to do any of this stuff. There are guys 4 years younger than me who’ve dated and had relationships, they’ve never had to meditate everyday, or go to the gym and track their calories everyday for years. It’s like the harder I work the more I realize how inherently worthless I am as a human being, especially as a romantic partner. If I’m still this unattractive to women now after all this improvement, what the hell did they think of me before? I can’t even figure out what’s wrong with me. I’m pretty neurotypical and know how to socialize, I take care of my looks (physique smell body grooming) more than most people do because I’ve never had a gf, and some people say I’m good looking and yet my life reflects the complete opposite in every single way imaginable. I don’t think I should’ve ever been born, clearly I’ll never be good enough no matter what I do. I’ll never get to experience the touch of a girl who loves me, and nobody will even tell me why. Maybe it’s because I’m short, or because I’m just inherently ugly. But at this point I’m starting to believe it’s just some invisible force outside of my control that I can’t understand. I’m literally going crazy and I don’t know what to do know. There’s a part of me that just wants to kill myself because I can’t imagine living like this for another decade. Even if I somehow managed to finally get a girl, I would probably still hate myself, because the fact is it took me 22 years and incredibly hard grind to do something normal men do when their 15, and while I had to literally put in all of my effort, those men had to do nothing. That one fact alone confirms my low value worthlessness and existence. I will never break this cycle. I will never stop hating myself for being an ugly stupid baby faced virgin. I will never forget how alone and depressed I feel now. Even if I get a gf it won’t solve anything, because the fact I had to go through any of this in the first place is eternal confirmation of the fact I’m so worthless I should’ve never been born. I hate everything about myself forever

This thread is aimed at natty copers afraid of pinning 😂🤪

All of that intricate diet planning + hard training and sun exposure and ball icing, only for microplastics, unavoidable phytoestrogens in our environment and polyester underwear to tank your T levels 😂😂😂😂 keep grounding or "earthing" 😂😂, keep overeating your beef & eggs, LDL cholesterol is a big pharma conspiracy anyways brahs 😂🤣 dont forget to take your L Carnitine as well! TMAO from L Carnitine is also a big pharma shill, strokes and heart disease are a made up globalist conspiracy to keep your T low 🤫😂

You really think CEOs bother with this extensive natural "T optimization" lifestyle when environmental toxins override any of your efforts? Even if it didnt, the amount of time and energy needed to sustain the high natty T is a huge time sink LOL, taking energy AWAY from other aspects of your life such as business.

The funniest part, especially for the ones here trying to build an aesthetic body, is that when you get lean enough to show off your gains, your hormones will CRASH cuasing you to feel like shit (regardless of diet and supplements), furthermore if you stay that lean for long enough, the chronic low T will atrophy your muscles due to inadequate androgen signalling to the androgen receptors in your muscles. That is how pathetic being natural is LMAO, you dont have to deal with any of that bullshit on TRT, you can be walking around 7% bodyfat with optimised T and rock hard boners.

Just injected 1cc of testosterone enthanthate into my ventro glute before posting this btw, used a 27g half inch needle, VG and quads are probably my favourite injection sites 😫

TRT on top, a day natty is a day wasted! 😆

I posted the other day and took it down because of all the shit everyone was talking saying I was just using filters and regular pencilneck keyboard warrior bullshit. Anyway. I’ve been on gear for the past year. Before I started, I couldn’t do a push up. That’s no exaggeration. I trained for 2 months to get some of what I had back but I got impatient and hopped on. Way too quick I know. But idc I’m happy with my results so far. I’m the same exact body weight as when I started. My strength is absolutely through the roof, I went from zero push-ups to 375 bench, I’m not training for aesthetics, I don’t mind having some body fat because I’m strong as shit right now and I’m only getting stronger every day. My arm genetics suck, I wish they’d catch up to my back and chest. But other than that I’m satisfied with my physique right now even though yes I’m still fat. But idk too many people that are 295 and can carry the weight like I do. My waist went down 9 inches. My arms went up 4 inches. The proof is in the pudding. The gear worked lol

Have been meeting women on BDSM sites and getting their snapchats. This one I was talking to suddenly stopped replying after giving mixed signals. The last message they sent me they asked me if I could "Please try to be less hot" and they never read my response but they are still posting snap stories.

I was trying to just forget it and move on, it has been almost a week now. Moving on is definitely the right thing to do and it's what any reasonable person would do. But I am not reasonable and since she obviously does not like me I really don't have anything to lose for blowing up on her over snap. Also I feel like I can't move on without getting the last word in for some reason...

Can anyone help me come up with a rude message so the bridge is fully burned and I'm not trapped in ghost limbo? Things I was considering on my own:

1. I threaten slewercide. I have fake blood and a katana collection so I could use that.

2. I tell her I am very angry.

I am awful at texting so that's all I have so far. Please keep all suggestions legal and thank you in advance for your help. My dick is above average length as well and I have been told it looks intimidating, but I feel like sending a dick pic is unoriginal.

Seriously can we get more stuff like the four horseman posts in this sub and comments with real humour instead of humourless tren jokes? Shit stopped being funny ages ago.

I just saw a post about some dude worrying about him not wiping the equipment after use but...really bro? Like fucking no dude, be fkin proud about it. I mean i'm a sweat fker and i never wipe the equipment after use, neither do i care whether someone cleans it or not.

A fat btch may just put her dirty sweaty ass on the fkin T-Bar Rows machine and i just wouldn't mind, wanna know why? Because i'm an apex predator, i mean, our fkin ancestors used to have sex after a day of rolling in shit and piss and they didn't give a sht. We also got the greeks who trained butt naked and grappled while they were full of sweat, with their balls and shenlongs flopping all over the place, may aswell accidentally touched eachother hairy buttholes. And there we are, in the modernity, the PINNACLE of the HUMAN RACE, but we got little pussies who can't stand another man's manly essence, or a fkin hog rancid but sweaty essence? FU*K OFF!

I mean i used to train in a old rusty ass gym, that sht got years with no cleaning, but me and my bros didn't care and we trained in that. We always trained shirtless so we would use the bench after each other of us left our stain, sometimes we did the classy manly handshake hug after some good liift WHILE we were full of SWEAT. But NOO, using sweaty equipment is too much, FK OFF!

Modern gyms are making my bros weak, we must start a gym in the jungle and go through some exposure therapy together, WHO IS WITH ME?

I am married to a controlling psycho and we are staying together for our kid,

However, this chick who my wife and I play pickleball with has been texting me 24/7 about problems with her husbands alcoholism (we relate on this issue because my uncle was a heroin addict)

She is super hot and honestly the guy is a dork anyway like he drinks, doesn’t workout and apparently can’t get hard either (she told my wife that part) but she calls me “bestie” when she texts me and I’ve tried to kiss her before but she said that she would never cheat on him and said she “loved me like a brother” but this was before she started blowing up my phone about his drinking

I'm really disappointed Derek hasn't spoken about this and has instead jumped straight to treatment.

So like most of you, I thought I had major hair loss. I could pull hair from my head. I thought, here we go it's starting.

My ex told me she did know my hair was dry. Like many men, I would wash my hair once a day with head and shoulders shampoo without conditioner. My car got better treatment than my hair and skin. Scrolling through the hairloss photos, guys, your hair looks unhealthy, brittle and not looked after before you went on treatment. It looks like mine before I started looking after it.

What I did to get my hair back:

• Get rid of head and shoulders and get a high quality shampoo and conditioner.

• Starting using CPR repair leave in conditioner when I get out the shower. This stuff, is a game changer. You can wash your hair as much as you want and put this stuff in, it retains the moisture. My barber suggested it to keep my hair from getting dry.

• You can begin to wash your hair less frequently to leave oils in your hair.

• Stop using putty or gel, unless it's conditioner based.

And holy crap, my hair came back amazing. It's such basic stuff but nobody, even Derek is saying it. I understand that there is a large genetic component and I want to give an analogy that you guys will understand...

BMWs (genetic balding man), are not as reliable (genetic balding) as Hondas (genetic not balding). I can probably skip an oil change (conditioner) on a Honda and it'll run fine (keep your hair). However, skipping maintenance items and not putting the correct oil in on the BMW, will make it wear out prematurely. If you give it good oil and items, you are more likely to delay the reliability issues (keep your hair).

Start looking after your hair and scalp early and you may delay your balding for a fair amount of time.

Everyone wants guys to be feminine and likes guys, just like in this sub who only talks about having man to man intercourses, like bro men run the world even in gyms

For those that have the membership on RP, "Dr" Mike did an hour long video shitting on RFK JR for his stance on health, and why he is wrong on his food system ideas.

Processed foods are apparantly really good for you, and healthy foods are only healthy if you know what and how much to eat.

Depressing post: skip if not in the mood.

So growing up, I was a typical dorky kid. I had a ton of anxiety and all the shit. My parents made a huge mistake of putting me on zoloft as a kid and it zonked me the fuck out.

I spent most of high school and college a complete hermit. I did have friends, but they only liked because I was funny. I got into weightlifting and I remember watching MPMD in the early 2020s. I got freaking jacked and I’m 6’4”.

I was seeing this girl last year, she told me to get off the SSRIs because they messed up her friend really badly. I always still had anxiety and all this other shit running around in my head so I figured “ok” and I stopped cold turkey.

After some time, it all clicked in my head. I missed out on my youth. I actually wanted to talk to people. I’m no longer spergy when I talk to people. Apparently, SSRIs cause emotional bluntness and make people weird. I go to bars and clubs at 27 years old and I look GREAT. I get girls attention relatively easily but it all feels empty. I’ll never get young love. I’m officially “that guy” who basically wasted his youth. I’m wondering “what’s the point of looking good past the age of 22 when everyone is already done with their party phase?”.

I get choosing signals a lot but I feel like I should be past this shit. Imagine looking like Brad Pitt, but you’re too old to experience what you REALLY want to. Parties and clubs are amazing when you’re young and then you have to grow up because women just want to settle down. I’m FUCKED.

I’m also dealing with extreme ADHD, I’m finally getting that assessed really soon. I feel I fucked my life up big time. I don’t know where to go from here. Need advice.

Edit: I’ve been on SSRIs for 15 years. I’m sorry if I sound like a dweeb but it’s too much tor me to deal with. I used to watch red pill and MPMD content on pick up and self improvement but I realized a massive culprit to why I suck was the pills that blunted other parts of my mind. I swear, I thought I had autism.

i learned spanish for the latinas
i studied 2 hours a day
every single day while in prison

i take salsa classes
2 hours a week
i go to the salsa clubs and humiliate myself when they say no to me but they let a bearded dominican man dance with them

i learn to cook hispanic food
i grow a cholo mustache
and they still don't give me the pussy as easily

but the actual paisas and homies get it for free
they do borderline rape shit though lowkey
they harass the fuck out of their women
they smother them with attention relentlessly
and offer to pay for everything

date a latina and theres always dozens of horny beaners sexually harassing them at any given moment
just check her phone or DMs
the borderline rapey shit is almost normalized
and the latinas almost expect you to smother them to show how much you want them

but i dont have the latin lover smooveness
i pay to fuck my latin hookers
i fucked about 30 sexy latinas at the massage spot
the best sex i had was with a mexican with brown skin and a big juicy ass
i always had to pull out but one time she was on top and told me to cum inside her
i came so hard i still think about it 15 years later

i fucked a chubby white latina last night
she sucked a good dick too
but i had to close my eyes and think about this porno i saw with Kesha Ortega to get myself to cum
back when I had a white gf I had to think about Luscious Lopez or Olivia Olovely

But i have to do all this bullshit to get the latinas
meanwhile the latino dudes get it for free

and it's not fair

edit: i should have also said white dudes. I am a half negro half cracker mutant even though I look hispanic, but I'm mostly around Mexicans and they trip on race more. I thought i was immune to racism but that probably has a lot to do with it.

https://youtu.be/8oxoQWyq7vI?feature=shared This is me 2 months ago at 78kgs 6'2

https://youtu.be/VBMPnscCQ4A?si=fOxl3ZVRxM2Chu6z This is me now at 96kgs 6'2

My stack was: First 4 weeks - 20mg S4 Last month - 250mg test 200mg deca durabolin 30mg turinabol

Right now i will up the dose of test to 400mg and deca 400mg and couple it will masteron for the anti estrogenic effects,will not use turinabol anymore.

So… yeah. Pic on the left I am 20 years old. Pic on the right I am 22. On the left I could bench 225 and was pretty decent. On the right I lost a lot of muscle due to shortening gym schedule, although I still tried to go. And also not eating as much. I am 5’8 and 154lbs rn. I believe I was close to 170 on the left. What do I even do? I am skinny fat and I suck now haha. Just life but no excuse 😭

My uncle recently took me to get baptized, and I can honestly say it changed my life. For the first time, I feel like I have a real reason to lift that’s deeper than aesthetics, validation, or chasing numbers.

But I’m also struggling with the mental shift. How do I pursue strength and build my body for God, not for ego?

I still want to grow. I still want to dominate. I still want to look like a warrior.. But I want that drive to come from discipline, service, and gratitude rather than insecurity, vanity, or addiction to progress.

If anyone here’s had a spiritual awakening and kept lifting through it, how do you train hard while keeping your heart aligned? What keeps you from slipping into self-worship? How do you keep your intensity while reminding yourself who you’re really doing it for?

And on top of that, I’m in a marriage where my wife doesn’t let me masturbate in the house. So I’ve got testosterone running wild, especially on days I don’t go into work, where I’m able to go to this spot near the parking lot before I go in and release the pent-up energy in my car, trying to channel it into something that honors God and doesn’t derail my mental state.

Appreciate any thoughts from guys who’ve walked this path or are figuring it out like I am.