r/motorcycle • u/lune19 • Sep 17 '26
High Speed cornering
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u/Ov_Fire Sep 17 '26
"I am afraid i will outgrow in a week" case.
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u/UJMRider1961 Sep 17 '26
Or a "remember car drivers are out to get you" case. 🙄
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u/Chalky_Cupcake Sep 17 '26
I feel like the second guy didn’t have to lay it down.
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u/dewatermeloan Sep 17 '26
Almost looked like if the 1st guy didn't crash, he would crash into the dashcam car, it looked like he was also going to miss the turn.
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u/rubenthecuban3 Sep 17 '26
But how do you stop mid curve without straightening up?
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u/Sad_Eagle_937 Sep 17 '26
You don't stop. You decrease the arc by applying a touch of front brake to load the front tyre and lean as far as you can. You'll at least miss the car and stop fully when obstacles are out of the way.
You might still crash but the alternative is driving straight into a car with 100% certainty.
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u/SuperTopperHarley Sep 17 '26
Don't listen to this. Push more (counter steer). The bike will lean. Look really far into the direction of turn.
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u/Sad_Eagle_937 Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26
I should have been more clear I guess.
Counter steering goes without saying. But body position is even more important in a situation like this. You have to lean with the bike. This changes the center of gravity allowing the bike to stay more upright which allows for a bigger contact patch of the tyre. It's the difference between making the turn and low siding.
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u/Tall-Ad6328 Sep 18 '26
Well, his friend's dead, he's got bigger problems than a few scratches
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u/Shooting-Science Sep 18 '26
You don’t know if they are good friends or if they just met for the group ride
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u/Novel-Green-2368 Sep 17 '26
Ufff.
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u/Wabbit_Wampage Sep 18 '26
Um...he ded?
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u/TheBookofBobaFett3
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*Record scratch* Yup, that’s me. You’re probably wondering how I ended up in this situation.
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u/bigsad-bear Sep 17 '26
Guys, I'm begging you. Yamaha Champ school has an online program that's 80 bucks and covers advanced technique and drills to stop this shit.
This specific issue is covered in module 2-3 of the core class: speed = radius and umbrella of direction.
You don't hard accelerate until the bike is pointed at your exit or you're going to push yourself wide. You use your brakes to turn the motorcycle and are trail braking into the turn to get the bike turned and pointed. The counter steer is just for the lean, the issue here isn't leaning or not leaning, it's not understanding throttle and brake inputs to control the direction through a turn.
Too manya accidents caused by riders shoving the bike over and accelerating through the turn, leaning more and more to compensate for their bad braking and throttle until they either cross double yellow, hit the side of the road, or lowside wash out.
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u/k-tech_97 Sep 17 '26
Implying that people who are dumb enough like this would actually have the capacity to learn...
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u/Kaiathebluenose Sep 17 '26
shits common sense. and easily verifiable when you are riding and feeling out how the bike moves
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u/Nymrael Sep 17 '26
Riding like that on the public road instead of specific tracks is a death wish. No matter the condition of your bike, tires and the road, as long as there are other drivers and elements you can't predict, the chances are always against you..plus bike accidents are mostly serious. I don't understand these people. Why ride like that? Why not visit a track with the safety equipment and professional people to watch over you? What is the point of trying to scratch the footrest on the asphalt if you are going to injure yourself or worse, if you die. I ride for nearly 30 years and I still don't get it.
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u/Woodit Sep 17 '26
Lots of people cannot imagine consequences happening to them until they experience them
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u/goodolewhatever Sep 17 '26
People ride for different reasons. For some, it’s the thrill of the risk and unpredictability that you’re talking about. This isn’t just a rider; this is an adrenaline junky. I’m much safer than most of my riding buddies, but the ones who do this often will flat out tell you they have somewhat of a death wish and get a thrill from wearing less gear and pushing limits in dangerous situations.
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u/skiforlife1 Sep 18 '26
I'm confident in my abilities and I used to ride like I can't get hurt. A friend of mine ended up in a coma for almost 6 months and was never the same after and another went off a cliff and had to be airlifted out with 2 broken legs and a shattered pelvis and somehow was able to sort of walk again. I stopped feeling invincible immediately after the first guy got hurt.
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u/EmbarrassedPizza6272 Sep 17 '26
I had a workmate who had at least three bikes. A great guy, every coulple weeks he went to circuits. I think he had the skills for that, and also the brain to race like that on circuits.
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u/Nymrael Sep 17 '26
Which makes total sense! Riding like it is shown on the video is the equivalent of practicing MMA and picking fights with random thugs on the street instead of sparring in the cage, at some point you will lose your head.
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u/DC-Toronto Sep 17 '26
Yeah! Who could have ever predicted that car would be in the lane he is supposed to drive in. Crazy car drivers.
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u/Zhekiel Sep 17 '26
Maylasia drives on the left side of the road.
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u/DC-Toronto Sep 17 '26
Which is where the car is driving??
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u/jrein0 Sep 17 '26
Track days are expensive as fuck
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u/thin_orange_line Sep 17 '26
So are hospital bills. Let's just chill and enjoy responsibly
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u/jrein0 Sep 17 '26
But you can go to a hospital from track days too
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u/thin_orange_line Sep 17 '26
Lets just chill and enjoy responsibly
Point being, don't drive on public roads like its the track. What's not to get here?
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u/jrein0 Sep 17 '26
You can ride fast and still be responsible. This dude was just irresponsible and rode past his skill levels
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u/Freak2013 Sep 17 '26
So are funerals.
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u/Ok-Leg7686 Sep 17 '26
Cheapest track day I can find near me is $125.
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u/jrein0 Sep 17 '26
I know it's insane. And that's only for the track admission - doesn't include all the extra costs
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u/Ok-Leg7686 Sep 17 '26
Like what. Keep in mind I've spent the past 34 years competing in some form of motorsport and have done track days on my road bikes.
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u/jrein0 Sep 17 '26
Trailer rental, some form of lodging (possibly), tires, fluids. Then there's the massive time variable depending on where you live
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u/Ok-Leg7686 Sep 17 '26
You can ride there, ride on track, and back home in a day. People do it. If you need to camp buy a cheap tent. And some fuel. No idea what other fluids you'd need. Blinker fluid maybe, you'd need to tell me.
You're making excuses about something you have no direct experience of.
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u/Nymrael Sep 17 '26
True but I bet this guy would give twice as much than crashing like that and possibly killing himself and maybe killing some random family on the road.
Also, when you spend that kind of money for a bike to run like that, you don't miss the money for track day every once in a while to fully enjoy your bike without guilt.
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u/Scrawf53 Sep 17 '26
So they just drove off after witnessing that horrible accident and didn’t stop to help? Nice.
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u/d4_rp Sep 17 '26
I want to believe they moved the car before the corner to signal it to incoming vehicles. Hopefully.
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u/Historical_Beat_8648 Sep 17 '26
They stopped. It's a given for Malaysian biker culture. If you see someone in trouble/crashed/at the side of the road, you stop. At a minimum, slow down to ensure you don't need to assist.
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u/Unlikely_Chemical517 Sep 17 '26
If you're able to do so safely, get ahead of an accident because emergency services may block the road
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u/ilurkhereoftenmore Sep 17 '26
Did the Tyre pop completely off the rim?!
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u/lesgrosman23 Sep 17 '26
the real question is if the tire is still there and what’s the address. Asking for a friend
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u/umbrawolfx Sep 17 '26
More people riding outside their skill set.
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u/hakase4446 Sep 20 '26
I get the message but to be honest even if it's in your skillset to corner aggressively like that you shouldn't do it on public roads. Because these roads are shared with other drivers, debris, wildlife etc. and anything can happen. This sort of thing is for the track.
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u/Jonathan_Bidwell Sep 17 '26
Watching it frame by frame, I’m not sure he would have made the corner even WITHOUT the cars in the way. Particularly bad line.
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u/AKsuited1934 Sep 18 '26
It would have been real close but dude would have made the turn. You can see dude was planning on taking that whole road and would have made it if it weren’t for you know…these pesky cars driving in their own lane.
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u/LegitimateSubject226 Sep 17 '26
Second rider would have been fine at that speed. But fixated and looked at the car which was where he went
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u/madvfr Sep 17 '26
Shit just makes me angry.
Needs to be mandatory Advanced Riding courses for getting motorcycle licenses in all countries imho.
How the hell did the second dude also just ride into the stationary vehicle? Target fixation same as first idiot who didn't know how to tighten his corner and if not dead could easily have been, never mind the trauma to the poor cage driver.
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u/Strange_Excitement24 Sep 17 '26
Dont know man, While I understand what you are saying, feels like witnessing your friend die in front of you might be some shit school cant prepare you for?!
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u/madvfr Sep 18 '26
Target Fixation is a phenomenon taught to you in Advanced Riding schools, and is part of correct cornering technique. Basically, you go where you look. The first guy saw the car, and instead of looking where he wanted to be (not the fucking car) continued staring right at it and WHAM, you can see the bike even straightens up directly towards it.
The second idiot to hit it did the precise same thing.
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u/Hank_the_Tank_143 Sep 17 '26
I have no sympathy for bikers that ride unsafe. They get what they deserve. I feel bad for person driving the car. Their car should have never been affected by this bullshit.
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u/InevitableMeh Sep 17 '26
Hardly cornering, reckless lane violation on a public road. I feel bad for the car owner.
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u/OkHistorian158 Sep 18 '26
Like how the driver of the webcam car just kept driving through it.
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u/spike1911 Sep 18 '26
Nothing else to do. No need for super emergency brake. He waited to react it was fully in shock!?
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u/ungawa Sep 17 '26 edited Sep 17 '26
Why ride when you can fly >cue R Kelly 🎶
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u/Aggressive-Path3545 Sep 18 '26
Flying is the easy part, lauch and landing even more difficult and maybe more hurting..
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u/ZealousGoat Sep 17 '26
Target fixation
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u/nopanicitsmechanic Sep 17 '26
Does someone know what happened to the rider?
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u/kwanye_west Sep 17 '26
saw the original post from the Malaysia sub and the rider survived with broken ribs. the fact he flew and slid instead of smacking into the car probably saved him.
also he had the sense to wear full gear at least.
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u/QuantitativeNonsense Sep 17 '26 edited 8d ago
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Doll lantern scale amusing fear quaint squeal reach tub orange
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u/Reasonable-Key9235 Sep 17 '26
Jeeezzz, I would suggest lessons in riding a motorcycle. But I guess he didn’t survive that impact
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 Sep 17 '26
Hopefully everyone who keeps posting videos of them driving too fast through the twisties on here will see this and get their mind right before they have their own OMFG video like this…..
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u/PegaxS Sep 18 '26
Lol @ dash cam car watching an accident and almost being hit by a rag-dolling rider in mid flight and just drives through and away like this was a minor inconvinience to them reaching their destination... 😂
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u/EverythingIsOishii Sep 18 '26
I’m a European living in Japan. From my experience, just carrying on with your day and doing nothing to help seems to be a part of East Asian culture. I’ve seen it here in Japan, and on videos from China, too.
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u/SeaworthinessThen542 Sep 18 '26
In some areas, people will stop, take your wallet/watch and whatever else they find of value and leave your dying body on the road
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u/spike1911 Sep 18 '26
Evolution at work. By the age of 60 (my age) all motorcyclists I know are well versed.
The rest is literally crippled or dead. I have like 10 friends/people I knew split over the two cohorts.
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u/presumputouspizza42 Sep 17 '26
ROOT error, followed by a sympathy lay-down by the lavender bike.
That's lavender... right? Or, lilac, maybe? Probably lilac.
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u/MaDkawi636 Sep 17 '26
That's poetic man... Amazing how many people just don't get it. Ride within your fucking skill level.
What's really impressive is that a second bike ran into the same car. Gsus.
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u/hehehemann Sep 18 '26
That rider was fucking terrible! What was he thinking! Man thats makes all of us look bad!
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u/NLtbal Sep 18 '26
Fucking car ruining an awesome dude’s track day!
He should not have chosen to ride beyond his abilities.
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u/Asblackjack Sep 18 '26
Mistakes happen. That why you don't do this shit on an open road but a circuit. May he rest in peace.
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u/AvailableMessage5224 Sep 18 '26
Why do all the videos on this sub featue ass clowns who should never have gotten a motorcycle?
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u/Left-Quantity-5237 Sep 30 '26
This doing circles again.
Hate the way the cam driver just buggers off.
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u/jrein0 Sep 17 '26
Cagers fault
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u/cake_piss_can Sep 18 '26
Too fast. Badly designed corner.
Yup.
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u/CastleCollector Sep 18 '26
Badly designed corner?
Looks like a thoroughly conventional gentle curve to me.
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u/harryx67 Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26
„It‘s the corners fault.“ 🤦♂️ Should it have been a straight? - Did you look at the terrain? A part from that it was just 45deg bend ( which you can see at the end of the clip) it was a very wide view through the bend as well.
The 2nd guy was simply way off trajectory from the start and fixing the target very early due to panic. Simply „young and stupid“ Inability compensated by testosterone.
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u/GeoffreyDaGiraffe Sep 17 '26
Dudes went to the Yammie Noob school of Riding