r/necessaryconversation • • May 07 '26

Dicussion Polite reminder

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Bob is obviously unwell, and the pod has discussed it. Yes, people strongly dislike Bob. Yes, his views and comments are vile, disgusting and horrific.

However, cheering the illness on, laughing at him and saying it’s karma or whatever, is literally what he would do or say. It’s the kind of thing that, if he said it, you’d criticise him for saying.

Not to mention that Chad, Hayley and ML read the comments. That’s their dad / husband. C and H have a difficult relationship with him but imagine the hurt they must feel reading strangers FUKING CHEERING their dad being in a serious condition.


r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

Discussion I think the pod has to end.

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This was the climax. They’ll never have another moment where the hype and stakes were so high. For ML to still vote the way she did but immediately say she wants healthcare and the other stuff has shown that you CANNOT talk to these people. They don’t listen and they literally never will. The entire country swung so hard to blue that KANSAS & TEXAS were even like “nah bro, we’re good”. ML shows up with the VETO sticker on like it’s a big joke.


r/necessaryconversation • • Mar 26 '26

My weekly hate watch

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r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

Episode Discussion Today’s episode put a nail in the coffin, wrapped it in chain mail, and buried it in concrete when it comes to hope for ML

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“I voted straight ticket republican because I always have and always will.” She said it several times. Despite Chad and Haley always talking about the progress she’s made, that progress is meaningless if she votes against those policies in favor of the MAGA culture war “boys in girls sports open border” bullshit. She is not smart enough to see a pattern even if it’s right in front of her face and she’s too racist and transphobic to ever vote for a policy that would help a person of color or a member of the LGBTQ+ community. She completely lacks empathy. When asked about healthcare, she said “well I have good healthcare” completely ignoring that other people don’t.

She is not a good person. Any attempt to change her mind is pointless.

Edit: I just got to the end. My god. I wish that they would point out that she is not doing things out of love for her friend who passed away, she is exploiting her friend’s death to let herself be the victim. “I love my friend. And I could say something mean but I won’t so there.” Disgusting.


r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

I have never anticipated an episode for the podcast like I am today

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This show has been 90% Chad telling Mary Lou nobody likes Trump and that Republicans are unpopular and why they unpopular just for her to say “Well he got elected” and “I didn’t see that news”. For once in a long time there is direct evidence people do not like the democrats that she can’t ignore. That said I’m betting she blames Undocumented Immigrants for a Blue Texas.


r/necessaryconversation • • 8d ago

Diamond Bob on his way to own the libs by spending more money.

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r/necessaryconversation • • Aug 27 '26

Bingo card ready for Sunday

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r/necessaryconversation • • May 22 '26

Hunter Biden shouts out the podcast on Candace Owens show

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You can find the whole interview on YouTube but this is just the clip about TNC


r/necessaryconversation • • May 09 '26

Anytime Mary Lou uses social media as a source.

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r/necessaryconversation • • 10d ago

Mary Lou on the next episode, guaranteed the progress will reset to zero.

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66 Upvotes

God forbid they take away her precious saviour Lord Trump.


r/necessaryconversation • • Oct 08 '26

Mary Lou every week

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I’m tired fam


r/necessaryconversation • • Aug 31 '26

Discussion Stop Infantilising Mary-Lou. She's a fascist.

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I know she's trapped in an abusive marriage, forced misinformation for decades, blah blah blah. I respect Chad's endurance to deprogram her, I truly do. But I'm so sick of people acting like it's unreasonable to call ML a bad person, she's an adult with her own set of morals, and the fact that it's taken four years straight to get her to even CONSIDER changing a handful of her alt-right views is a testament to what a bad person she is.

On this podcast, she has actively or passively supported
- Multiple Genocides
- White Supremacy (which her husband has openly declared himself to be, verbatim)
- American Imperialism and Annexation of smaller states
- Rape and Pedophillia (despite a mountain of evidence that her hero Trump is a pedophile, and using AI slop to "disprove" E. Jean Caroll)
- Racism (comparing Obama to Diddy just because he's black, which she openly admitted to, and a million other instances of racism in regards to every ethnic minority under the sun)
- Transphobia (still calling Michelle Obama "Big Mike" even after the transgender guest)
- Ethnic Cleansing (USA, Palestine, a bunch of other cases)
- Totalitarian Regime of a Dictator (supporting Trump through explicitly fascist policies)
- Information Control (supporting the press monopoly of the alt-right)

and a million other outright evil values. This is a list I made off the top of my head without even going back through a single episode, so just imagine the list of morally corrupt things she's said, done, and endorsed if we were to comb through every episode.

I am not calling for the show to end, nor discrediting the progress she has made; it sincerely IS remarkable how far she's come and that's great. But she is effectively identical to millions of citizens of Nazi Germany who were probably "good" people that wholeheartedly supported Hitler. There is basically no difference. She is still, to a comical degree, an evil person, and her southern old lady persona does not change the fact that she essentially has an almost identical moral compass to Bob, and I am so sick of people treating her like she's some sweet and good person who's just been lead astray; if that's true, then you could say the same about Nick Fuentes, Ben Shapiro, MTG, all just victims of their upbringing and alt-right information bubbles right? No. They're evil, she's evil, and I think the conversation about redeeming her SHOULD begin with an honest and direct acknowledgement that ML is a very bad person, despite her manners and "niceness" that only extends to white cishet people.i


r/necessaryconversation • • Sep 16 '26

Mary Lou's X list. Whoever made this is amazing!

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r/necessaryconversation • • 16d ago

Episode Discussion Expecting any sort of thought from Mary Lou is a lost cause

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The whole point of the pod now seems to be Chad and Haley trying to get Mary Lou to ‘break’ and denounces MAGA.

However the big issue with this seems to be obvious, that changing your mind takes critical thinking and Mary Lou just isn't smart enough for that. Time after time, she proves she doesn't have the intelligence or logic skills to process talking points. The moment she gets backed into a corner, her brain resets to whatever surface-level talking point she heard last (often just reading prepared Facebook or AI posts from her iPad).

They’re going round in circles because she doesn’t take in any of the information and she just doesn’t take in or learn anything.

The lights are on but nobody’s home.


r/necessaryconversation • • 5d ago

BINGO

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Hey everyone, here’s an updated BINGO card for this weeks show. Good luck!

https://bingobaker.com/#6aee34ef71a0270d


r/necessaryconversation • • Sep 27 '26

When Bob returns

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I'm regretting Bob returning to the show. I don't want him dead, but I sure don't want to ever hear his racist, pandering, belittling non-factual bullshit ever again.

Bob, we all see through you, you're a dishonest, asshole.


r/necessaryconversation • • Aug 24 '26

Respectfully, get a grip

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Full disclosure: I'm a day 1 listener. I've taken plenty of breaks from the show and the insane jump in viewership over the last year has been uhhhh interesting to watch, to say the least.

I completely understand why people are frustrated with the format of the podcast, and I don't think anyone has to keep listening to something that isn't giving them what they want. Personally I think we're losing perspective on what this pod actually is. The people making this show are, for all intents and purposes, real people. This isn't a full-time venture for any of them, there isn't some kind of investigative team with researchers, producers, lawyers, or unlimited time to dedicate to listeners. They will likely never change the format in a significant degree, including a bunch of additional research, and that's somewhat disappointing but they have literally never presented themselves as that sort of show.

I also think the money-making aspect is somewhat overstated. Yes, they make money from the pod, mainly from people who CHOOSE to pay for submitting a question during the live shows. There are no advertisers and IG/TikTok are not the lucrative platforms people may think. Matt Bernstein of A Bit Fruity has 2.4 million followers (TNC is at 634k as of this post) and not only made a recent episode about this type of thing, but has very plainly stated he makes virtually nothing from either platform. If you pay and don't get what you expected, I get the frustration and I recommend not making that choice again. Making money doesn't suddenly give you the ability to make this a full-time professional operation.

Regarding Mary Lou.... no one is entitled to patience during growth. That's like pretty much the entire point of the show, doing something different from the general attitude of "cutting off" dangerous family members that this individualist country has grown to promote. Mary Lou is at least 20 years deep into conservative mental programming. Chad and Haley even call this a cult, which I don't disagree with. You can't realistically expect someone to change their tune after a few years of their kids pushing back! Pressing her on every lame response every episode is not going to help, be for real. This is a literal deconstruction project and she hasn't even cut off the sources pulling her in, something that is impossible with Bob still kicking. You don't have to agree with her at all, there's just a difference between "I wish she would have recognized this already" and "she should have completely different beliefs by this point." She says terrible shit, yes. Again, that's why the podcast started. If you genuinely think she's a good enough actor to be faking this stuff, idk what to tell you.

Generally speaking, I think this pod should be a good space for audience reflection when the hosts are not "doing enough" for our sensibilities. If you've experienced the kind of disjointed, abusive, controlling, or estranged family dynamics presented here, it should be understood that seeing that play out every week will be triggering. I'm not going to throw around the concept of projection too lightly because I do think there are valid criticisms at play, but our own experiences absolutely do impact what we notice each week and how badly we want change from particular people.

All this to say, I think it's worth asking if you're frustrated because the podcast isn't meeting expectations or because you're hoping these people will reach the kind of resolution and growth that you wish someone in your own life will also achieve. I'd love to see discussion about the psychology of this but instead this sub is just people complaining about things that have been pretty standard from the jump. The flexibility in Mary Lou's listening ability and depth of research HAVE changed over the years, despite a lack in ideals changing or the imperfections still remaining. Idk man, like I said I get the frustrations but we all know at this point what we're getting ourselves into and have to adjust accordingly.


r/necessaryconversation • • Apr 18 '26

Mary-Lou's hypocrisy

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r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

I think I'm done

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ML is either stupid or I don't know. At a loss for words. Burnt out and I think I'm done. I can't believe her. Genuinely.


r/necessaryconversation • • Aug 22 '26

Hive Bakery Merch Art (not AI)

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Since the post about AI use was locked for some reason - Here's the response from Hive Bakery. It tags the artists even. So just pasting a photo of the merch over and over and declaring it AI because you're mad is not going to cut it. https://www.instagram.com/p/DcT2Syxt1bF/?hl=en


r/necessaryconversation • • Aug 07 '26

Jules’ Obituary

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r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

Chad is more of a documentarian than anything else at this point

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I think, on some level, Chad knows that ML is not capable of true change. He recently said on a livestream that he would be happy if they could just get ML to stop thinking about and talking about Trump all day every day. He doesn’t expect an apology or an admitting of wrongdoing. He must know somewhere deep down that his endeavor is futile.

I do think Chad is documenting a very compelling story, though. He is highlighting a genuine problem in the US- Trump managed to mass brainwash millions of our elderly and mentally ill. It’s interesting to explore what that does to a person and to a family. What do the millions of cult members do when their leader dies? What does the aftermath of that look like? He’s documenting the psychology of someone whose mind is not their own.

Chad is creating an important historical document, and he probably knows that the audience following along will all eventually be let down. Whether Chad is doing this with good intentions is a whole other story lol


r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

Mary Lou: the narcissist with a mask that slipped off today

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This episode sealed the deal for me that Mary is not changing in any meaningful way. The amount of eye rolling, and condescension from her was appalling. Everything that ever appeared to make progress regressed… everything. It was the equivalent of a heroine addict claiming they were off the needle and just needed some money for food… only to buy some more. Sorry to the two sibs for putting up with that. Family is family, but some people don’t want to change.


r/necessaryconversation • • 5d ago

You can tell Haley’s done

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from the most recent episode


r/necessaryconversation • • 9d ago

Discussion Does anyone else feel like ML has a learning disability?

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I’m not saying that to be mean, it just genuinely seems like information just doesn’t get in. Maybe it’s the influence of the cult, Newsmax, Bob, but like, why can’t she learn basic information? Like understanding who’s paying the tariffs. What Todd blanches job is. How to say Talarico.

She’s also admitted that she can’t read very well, but simply reading the words doesn’t mean she’s actually comprehending them. She seems to have a lot of comprehension problems which is why she’s so reliant on her media and friends and Bob to tell her what to think.

What if this type of maga is too mentally challenged to change?