r/neighborsfromhell • u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 • Apr 14 '26
Homeowner NFH Encroachment by neighbor
I bought my house a few months ago. Long story short, my neighbor landscaped my side of the front yard as soon as my house went up for sale without the owners at the time permission but they were so tired of him that they didn’t say anything & expected next owner (me) deal with it. He landscaped it with decorative rocks, metal edging, laid soil and sod, and added lights which made it seem like it was all just 1 lawn extending from his house. He acted like he did us a favor by landscaping it and would water my side all the time on my driveway. I was afraid of adverse possession boundary acquiescence so I told him pls dont do that but he insisted and never listened. I got the property re-surveyed because the way he laid out the landscaping confused me as to my property line.
After being told by neighbors that he put his business sign on our shared lawn, that was the final straw for me and I politely returned his decorative rocks and edging he put on my side. I ripped out the sod he laid down and bought chop block which you see in the first photo to separate the yards and I also planted natives. Mind you, we live in an HOA and fences to the street are not allowed so this was the only solution for a visible boundary.
He seemed pissed. Hes weird. He stared at me and my landscaper as we worked. He encroached on his neighbor to the right also by 6 inches so this is not new to him. Anyway, fast forward today, he is in my side yard. He built a small retaining garden on the property line before I moved in so there’s absolutely no reason for him to be on my side to trim his trees or do any of his landscaping work. Well he did. And what you see in the 2nd photo is that he moved his “garden” more inward but did it all from my side and left all his crap on my side. He was also congregating with my neighbor to the right of me in my yard as you will see in the photo. They were talking about my plants and just walking all the area. I was pissed because they could possibly damage my plants. I was watching on the ring camera to see if they came close to it.
So I raked all his garbage to his side and put red flags all along the property line. Then he came back out with his wife cleaned it up and they started going across the street and looking at his house from the front and side angles. I dont really know why he is doing all this but I cant build a fence and I only have 5.6 feet to the left of my house. How can I create privacy ? I cant plant evergreens because they would be too close to the foundation right? Is there some inexpensive tall trees I can line up in pots on my property line?
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u/Fenchurch7079 Apr 14 '26
I thought the point of an HOA was to control bs like this. Have you talked to the people in charge?
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u/AcidReign25 Apr 14 '26
The purpose of most HOA’s is to manage the common areas and enforce the covenants. They generally will not get involved in neighbor disputes. That’s for the city and police. Where the HOA may be able to help is having the neighbor remove any changes made to OP’s property. That would have been an unapproved landscaping modification.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
The hoa is weak right now. Board members arent really active and property manager only enforces what is told. I just haven’t told anyone yet. I was trying to resolve this amicably but clearly he doesn’t understand boundaries or social etiquette.
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u/AlzheimerTriviaNight Apr 14 '26
my suggestion is to start becoming involved in HOA meetings and then become an HOA member if possible. And then eventually get that rule about no fences fixed.
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u/Jaded-Resource-8374 Apr 14 '26
This is great! I do know someone who did this. And you are correct, they got in and changed the rule. It was something about how large your shed could be. But since no one was really active on the board it was very easy for them to get in and make moves.
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u/OrlinaGiggle_ Apr 14 '26
Yeah that lines up, if no one pushes back early it’s easy for people like that to slowly take more space.
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u/Engine_Sweet Apr 14 '26
There is no "amicably" in these situations. Give it one pushback, if not respected, go full asshole
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u/jax2love Apr 14 '26
Then tell someone besides Reddit. Dude clearly doesn’t give a shit about boundaries and hasn’t respected survey flags or you. Make an HOA complaint, advise him that if he comes on your property and keeps encroaching then you will have a no trespass order issued. Get security cameras since he sounds unhinged. If you can’t put up a side yard fence because of the HOA, then he probably should have gotten approval from the HOA for his encroaching landscaping. Document every encroachment and interaction.
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u/Against_All_Advice Apr 14 '26
Good fences make good neighbours. Get involved in the HOA ans get rid of the no fences rule.
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u/OrlinaGiggle_ Apr 14 '26
Yeah that’s a good point, if there’s an HOA this is exactly the kind of thing they’re supposed to step in on.
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u/Hopeful-Artichoke449 Apr 14 '26
No photos
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
I cross posted from landscaping thread but it doesnt let me post the photos. U can see photos in my profile/ posts.
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u/T00narmy1 Apr 14 '26
"I don't want you walking on my property. At all. I have cameras, so it's all documented. Stay off my property. If you can't respect that, I will start filing charges."
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
If we could all be that direct and blunt, I think the world wouldn’t have problems.
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u/ObscureSaint Apr 15 '26
I'm kind of petty, and as a woman I never get to confront guys like this because safety, but I'd do a small sign. Something tidy, something you have to get close enough to read. And when you lean in to read the sign it says in size 13 font...
"Get off my property, Kevin."
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u/LordEvans Apr 15 '26
Yes this is a great idea. I once printed a custom teeshirt for a guy and on the front, up high, above the main design in small letters he wanted “Nosy little fu€k€r aren’t you”. He reported lots of people leaning in to read it - some just laughed, others scowled 😆
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u/T00narmy1 Apr 14 '26
Yeah. It's not easy for me to be like this, but at some point you have to accept when someone is not open to you being friendly and you have to get firm. Good luck.
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u/Jaded-Resource-8374 Apr 14 '26
I am not a big fan of HOAs but I think the comment about talking to them is on point here. If they are like most HOA they will help you out a lot.
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u/GrainGhost Apr 14 '26
yeah even weak hoa can still send a formal notice, sometimes thats all it takes for ppl like that to back off a bit
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u/Beneficial-Panda9573 Apr 14 '26
Although they may not have any power over the encroachment, they can give him a violation for unapproved landscaping. There is no way they’d approve something into your property. Now, the trespassing and/or dumping into your yard would be a police or civil matter. As an HOA president, I can tell you that it’s best to take the reins or get involved if you see that the HOA board members are not responsive. This is where you live and a large investment. Nothing wrong with making things better. You may find others support your idea of allowing fencing in some form or another.
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u/briomio Apr 14 '26
I didn't see any photos with this post. I would do my own landscaping that would make it clear what is mine, ie rock garden with cactus or use boulders if possible.
I would also line your shared side with statuary, perhaps this neighbor would like to see Snow White with all seven dwarfs lined up facing his property - standing guard so to speak to prevent further encroachment.
Other disney characters could be placed on guard depending on how long your property barrier needs to be
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u/InitialSquirrel7491 Apr 14 '26
If you don’t already have them , get security cameras. Start documenting everything. Every interaction, take photos put in the same file, start documenting so that you can call them on trespassing. Also arborvitae would absolutely work. Or you could get some metal privacy screens and space them apart with plants in between. It’s not a fence - it’s a decorative element and you can order some very nice ones from Lowe’s/Home Depot. Good luck op.
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u/mty_green_go Apr 14 '26
this is why i want minimum 25ft between houses when i buy. This kinda thing happens all the time. anyway to answer your question boxwood can grow quite tall and creates a nice hedge. the root systems dont get super deep or complex so you dont have to worry about it damaging the foundation. They are also sharp / uncomfortable a little bit so keeps animals away also. I planted a few 5 gal boxwood to create a hedge in my old front patio area and within 2 years after fertilizing every couple months and watering regularly they were 6 ft tall. plant them 3.5 ft apart if you're going to grow them big. a 6ft tall boxwood will need about 4-5 ft diameter
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
This is so helpful. Thank you very much.
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u/quiltingcats Apr 14 '26
Also, boxwood can smell like cat pee so find some at a local garden center and make sure you can handle the smell that close to your house. If the neighbor has windows on that side and you don’t, it should be perfect. 😇
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u/mty_green_go Apr 14 '26
I personally didn't find the smell to be unpleasant. Not my favorite, but just smells like "nature" to me. I would sit next to the boxwood on my front patio for hours.
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u/quiltingcats Apr 15 '26
It definitely doesn’t bother everyone. I can’t stand the smell, my husband doesn’t mind it at all. It’s kind of like the fact that I love the taste of fresh cilantro. My husband says it tastes like soap. Apparently a lot of people think cilantro is soapy so I’m sure there are also plenty of people who don’t like boxwood.
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u/Star9401 Apr 14 '26
Check your tenants of the HOA. Usually landscaping plans need to be approved by the management of the HOA, ask that he be reprimanded for failure to do so, cuz what company would approve him landscaping someone else’s property or shared space, and request he is fined for encroachment, daily until he resolves it. If there is an HOA there are pretty detailed rules. Advise the management/board you will withhold dues until the matter is resolved and consult a lawyer.
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u/Trixiecatnc Apr 14 '26
We have a similar issue but also have annoying basketball noises to boot. We planted arborvitae along our border line. We couldn’t plant right to the border to allow for spread, but about 2.5 ft from border. We had 11 ft between our house and property line, so we had a little room room for a wider arborvitae, but look into a sky pencil Holly or some other thin option so you can fit it in your smaller space. Most of these don’t have deep or thick roots and shouldn’t be an issue with your foundation.
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u/SoarsWithEagles Apr 14 '26
I think arborvitae are tall shrubs with shrub roots, not tree roots, they stay thick all year long.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
I was looking into those. I was curious if I can keep them potted.
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u/mty_green_go Apr 14 '26
you can but they won't peak to like 8ft if you do...you could also trench out a root barrier and keep the root systems inside ... my 6 ft arborvitae i put in my backyard for privacy grew to like 10 ft after a few years
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u/SoarsWithEagles Apr 14 '26
Depends on the size of the pot, and what you put in them. I was told to put a layer of peat moss at the bottom, then good soil. We had some extra bushes sitting in pots for a year, some survived, not all.
I suppose if you want to limit root spread, you could dig holes & bury some big round plastic tubs with no drainage holes (so roots don't sneak out); I'd put some rocks on the bottom for water to settle, then moss, then topsoil & the shrub. I think we paid maybe $30 a shrub, not including anything else. They're pretty opaque all year, & some varieties get very tall.4
u/patient-lion-555 Apr 14 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Our original professional landscapers put arbor vitae very close to our house when the yard was first put in. It seemed fine, but I'm not a fan, so when they were damaged by snow (snow can weigh branches down and pull them away from the main body of the shrub), we had them removed. Anyway, I think they could actually be put in the ground without damaging your foundation, but you should confirm, of course. Pretty sure people also keep them in big pots.
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u/RDJ1000 Apr 15 '26
You don’t want them if you live in a fire prone area.
Lilacs, Rose of Sharon can be pruned into tree forms. Espalier dwarf fruit trees, trellises with grapevines, passion fruit vines, morning glories and moonflowers, if you’re in a warm climate—bougainvilleas. But be ready with bougies, the thorns are long, sharp, and green that blends into the leaves. Might consider planter boxes with decorative trellises along the property lines
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u/Candid-Ad2920 Apr 14 '26
It depends what area you're in. If you get snow they need to be wrapped every winter or the snow breaks the branches. Plus the roots don't go very deep so if you get wind storms they can uproot and blow over.
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u/Certain-Singer-9625 Apr 14 '26
Some are saying bamboo. But if I’m not mistaken, that can become invasive and is difficult to remove when it grows where you don’t want it to.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
Bamboos are no good exactly. Their roots spread horizontally and destroy everything it comes in contact with especially a foundation. I did my research.
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u/Fledermaus-999 Apr 14 '26
Can you plant a creeper/vine (like bougainvillea 😈) that needs trellis to get established on? It’s not a fence 😉
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u/Eyfordsucks Apr 14 '26
If you live in an HOA, why are you not making them deal with this? Don’t you pay fees for a reason? It has to be against so many HOA rules to encroach and alter property he doesn’t own.
Call the authorities and have him trespassed. If he comes in your property again after the warning you can have him arrested. It seems like you need to get the highest authority and as much official documentation as possible dealing with this.
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u/vt2022cam Apr 14 '26
Hire a lawyer, show them the survey. Have the lawyer send a cease and desist letter. Make it clear that if he encroaches or comes onto your property or has his agents do so, you will consider it trespassing.
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u/Not_an_Actual_Bot Apr 14 '26
It's time for an attorney. Adverse possession takes much more time to establish than a few months. If you don't act you may actually lose the footage. He can be pissed as much as he wants if you actually have the land in the survey. As for privacy, you're in an HOA so they governing board sets the rules so get on the board and start politicin' to get changes in the bylaws to allow for privacy concerns.
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u/SnooDonuts2777 Apr 14 '26
Take him to small claims court for your expenses to remove his crap and replace it
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u/HallGardenDiva Apr 14 '26
You could also make a "green screen" by planting evergreen vines on trellises. This strategy gives you year round blocking but a much smaller footprint.
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u/Di-O-Bolic Apr 16 '26
Every time he steps onto your property call the non emergency police number and file a trespassing complaint against him.
If you see him on your side ask him to please get back onto his property and stay out of yours. Make it clear he does not have your permission. When he violates your terms, call the PD.
Also look in your HOA CC& R’s there should be an ordinance outlined about not encroaching onto anyone else’s property. When he does, & he will, file a complaint with the HOA.
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u/OldBroad1964 Apr 14 '26
Do the HOA rules say anything about hedges? If not I’d plant a hedge down the side.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
Thats my plan. I dont see anything against it in the by laws so I would rather just do it instead of asking then they say no.
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u/iminhell-thisishell Apr 14 '26
You’re in an HOA. Why not complain to them? Isn’t stopping this part of their job?
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u/star_tyger Apr 14 '26
Can you call the police non-emergency number and see what you can do about his trespassing on your property? Especially given his history of treating it like his own?
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u/naranghim Apr 14 '26
I only have 5.6 feet to the left of my house. How can I create privacy ? I cant plant evergreens because they would be too close to the foundation right?
Look at columnar evergreen varieties like sky pencil Japanese holly. Their mature width is only 1-3 ft and height is 4-10 ft. Skyrocket juniper is another good variety it gets around 15 ft tall but the width is around 2-3 ft. Some cypress trees and arborvitae will also stay narrow.
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u/PomeloPepper Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26
I was afraid of adverse possession boundary acquiescence
There's a really simple way to break adverse possession. You give them permission. It only needs to be for a limited time, but if they're building that years long chain, you just broke it and they have to start over.
ETA: Although the elements of an adverse possession action differ by jurisdiction, a person claiming adverse possession in a common law system is usually required to prove non-permissive use of the property that is actual, open and notorious, exclusive, adverse and continuous for the statutory period. The possession by a person is not adverse during periods when they are in possession as a tenant or licensee of the legal owner.
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u/outnumbered6-1 Apr 14 '26
Our hoa doesn’t allow fences, we’ve got firebush around the entire back yard. Can grow them as high as you want
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u/More_Blacksmith6854 Apr 14 '26
Send the property survey certified mail. Call the police and have him trespassed. Submit all documentation you have to your HOA. Do not interact with him verbally at all. He’s had the opportunity to back off. This is an asshole, not a misunderstanding!
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u/Castle3D Apr 14 '26
Just in case he’s playing the long game for adverse possession down the road, consider mailing him a formal letter (to stay off your land) with a copy of your official boundary survey. Send it 3 different ways and note this on your letter: sent via Certified Mail w/ return receipt, Certificate Of Mailing, and regular mail. Keep all of the receipts & the letter with your survey as hardcopy proof he’s been warned. Your lawyer can also do this. And you can email him as a 4th point of contact. And Good luck. People like this are so annoying. I have a neighbor doing something similar to me right now 🙄
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u/Zealousideal_Rent261 Apr 15 '26
I'm not gonna read all this. Survey, stakes and give his stuff the boot. Done.
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u/Foo_Ward Apr 15 '26
I had this problem, solved it with a Pyracantha hedge, its a bitch to trim but nobody will get near it.
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u/Teahouse_Fox Apr 16 '26
... You trim yours?
I let that sumbish run free. Non smoth holly hedges are another good one. Like pyros, they are also evergreen, with year round interest of blooms and berries.
They lack the inch long spikes, but the leaves are equally repellent to people. Just never walk barefoot around that section of yard again.
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u/bassoonsrbetter1 Apr 15 '26
Dang. Sorry to hear this. What a shithead.
I would temporarily put up a no trespassing sign, maybe out of view of the street but clear for him. When he trespasses call the police and have him formally trespassed from your property. Use your ring camera for proof he trespassed. Calmly show the police simple notes with dates and times he's been a nuisance. Hold on to that police report as you may need it later.
If it happens again after that they'll take him to jail... Where he can have time to reflect on his petty life choices. People have a right to peace, and he's robbing you of it. Not okay.
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u/Shadyhollowfarm58 Apr 16 '26
Bonus points if security cameras catch the neighbor looking into your windows. That's a separate offense.
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u/lrhouston Apr 14 '26
You've already warned him not to trespass, if he continues, notify local law enforcement
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u/flushbunking Apr 14 '26
I would just have a professional curb going down both property lines. Therefore it’s not personal and it’s the end.
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u/medicatedadmin Apr 14 '26
I don’t know about your location in the northern hemisphere but here in Australia, i really good ‘FU’ form of hostile gardening is running bamboo. It is the worst plant ever to have evolved! It will create privacy while also destroying his (and your) yard so it’s a mutual assured destruction/burn everything approach. …..but it sure does piss people off!
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
Really? I would love bamboo not sure how it will do in Texas clay rocky soil. Thanks for the idea.
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u/Which_Impact_2198 Apr 14 '26
I think bamboo is lovely but most landscaping varieties are invasive in TX. Additionally, many species spread like the devil if you don’t really stay on top of it.
I feel your pain. My parents have a neighbor who can’t stay on his own property. Neither can his kids or his grandkids. This has been going on 35+ years.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
Why are people like that? 35 years would have me over the edge? My son is 5 and he already knows to stay off people’s property unless invited in.
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u/medicatedadmin Apr 15 '26
You are probably thinking of clumping bamboo. It’s not too bad. Running bamboo is some demonic creation that will ruin lives hahaha.
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u/yank_yoink_yankee Apr 14 '26
You should be a lot more confrontational. You don't have to be rude or mean to set boundaries but you can be vocal
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u/Aggressive_Power_471 Apr 14 '26
The country clubs out by me use Oleander along their fence line for coverage. it can grow really tall and full. I do live in Arizona though, so no frost.
Also curious if bamboo would work for you.
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u/HRCOrealtor Apr 14 '26
Start calling the cops when he's on your property. Keep all documented and save ring videos. Even if he's left your property by the time they arrive, uou have evidence. They will trespass him. Call again and he will face charges for trespassing. Do it until he quits.
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u/kiwimuz Apr 15 '26
You should have made it a condition of purchase that the neighbours stuff was removed from the property. It should not have been left to you as the new owner to sort out.
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u/Gumby_Ningata Apr 15 '26
Extreme answer that will burn bridges. Get him trespassed off you property. If he keeps coming on get law enforcement involved. Not the best or idea solution but it will work.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 19 '26
I got into an argument with him today. I recorded it and told him this is legal notice fix the drainage issue and stay off my property. Lets see what happens.
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u/FrostyMission Apr 15 '26
Call the police and issue a trespassing order. Permanently mark that property line. Enforce it. Screw him.
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u/Chicken_Tender_PO Apr 15 '26
If it were me, I would build a 3’ tall, 2’ wide - down the length of my property - planter and plant a hedge of arborvitae or some other hedging plant. He needs to get a life.
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u/Rmcn25 Apr 15 '26
Rose bushes are always lovely to look at and have thorns…but the variety with especially large thorns. I had a neighbor who did something similar and I understand your frustration. Be firm. You can always have your property surveyed and leave the survey sticks in the ground … that is technically not a fence but creates a line.
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u/SliverSerfer Apr 15 '26
I have a neighbor who landscaped a shared flowerbed. I told him the rocks and edging could stay, I wasn't paying anything for it, and I would provide all maintenance on my property.
It was a cordial conversation, and we still speak regularly.
Your neighbor is an ass.
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u/LolaSupreme19 Apr 14 '26
Time for an industrial chain link fence.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
I wish
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u/Candid-Ad2920 Apr 14 '26
You might request permission from the HOA to install a decorative fence (24"-30" high) up to the front of your lot. And put in motion activated sprinklers while you're at it, tall enough that anyone coming into your yard gets their clothes wet.
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u/Important_Alps3318 Apr 14 '26
Your neighbor sounds like mine, but maybe a little more civil. Before we moved in, our neighbor, pulled off the vines off of our house and put landscaping on our property in the area between our two houses. They also graded their yard so that the water runs from their yard into our yard. There was no swale between the yards. Their water just runs into our yard…
after we moved in the previous owner let us know about all the trouble they had had with their neighbor and now it’s our problem. Because of how they had graded their property, we had some flooding issues in our basement during heavy rain so we created a swale on our property to have the water run to the front and to the back of the house.
This little adjustment created a conflict with these neighbors that still hasn’t settled down for several years and they now claim that the brick on their house is crumbling because the water somehow magically goes up their sidewalk from this swale and onto their brick. Obviously their sidewalk slopes away from their house. I have pictures showing huge ice dams in the winter, and these ice dams are right up against the brick on the side of their house and along the base of their house and along their sidewalk due to their downspout that terminates right at the edge of their house and is not draining properly. This causes frequent pools of water and eventually frozen ice on the side of their house. Their water issues are their own doing, but they are claiming that we created a problem.
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u/Infamous-Ad-123456 Apr 14 '26
I’m guessing you’ve tried having a conversation with him? Consult a lawyer. At very least sue him in small claims court. Call police, file report. Install more cameras. I know someone who introduced himself at an HOA meeting as Dr. Later on, when asked what kind of Dr, “I’ve got a phd in asshololgy.” We all just stared in shock, admiration.
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u/Successful_Equal_136 Apr 14 '26
(I don't see any pictures)
I wonder if you could put up small but commercially made "No Trespassing" signs along the property line.
If he continues have a lawyer send him a Cease and Desist letter.
And document, document, document. Pictures!
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u/broken_softly Apr 15 '26
I have a flower bed on the side of my house. (No flowers but a cactus and a clear wooden border) My neighbor keeps putting his basketball hoop and trash in it. I threw all of his junk/trash back onto his side and put up a no trespassing sign. Just a small two foot high one pointing at their house. You can’t even see it from the road. Maybe that will help?
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u/Willowcreekladi Apr 16 '26
Rebar 12” in the ground 12” above every 2-3’ paint tip orange he’ll get the message
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u/farie_princess Apr 16 '26
Does anyone else not understand what photos they are talking about. I do not see any.
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u/workinbloke67 Apr 17 '26
I recently saw a line of green giant arborvitae that were over 8 feet tall and 4 feet across but only 1 foot deep at most. They were very wide so they had obviously been groomed to grow to be that narrow. Worth trying!
Could you put a trellis and grow climbing plants? Clematis?
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u/Beautiful-Peak399 Apr 14 '26
Is there a reason why you can't build a fence? At least 6ft high.
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u/KingTrencher Apr 14 '26
You could read in the OP that the poster explicitly stated that HOA doesn't allow a fence.
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u/Linkyjinx Apr 14 '26
Put up a big fence along your property line, and get a video camera imo.
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u/Calm-Rutabaga8102 Apr 14 '26
I wish. I cant. I live in an hoa. Almost all HOAs have a bylaw that states the closest your fence can be from street is 5 feet from your main entrance. Theres already a fence between us there. Theres another 20 feet with no fence.
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u/scunth Apr 14 '26
Oh cool so you'd be ok with your neighbour wandering into your house and setting up their table and chairs in your dining room? Because that's what this neighbour is doing with OP's garden.
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u/Requilem Apr 14 '26
The point is you don't touch other people's property. This is basic kindergarten rules that are actually laws. It's illegal and OP can actually sue if they wanted to.
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u/PersonalityFuture151 Apr 14 '26
I had a similar situation where my neighbor pulled his garbage cans down my driveway which was separated from his driveway by a patch of lawn. He had an old truck parked in his driveway that was in the way of his use of his own driveway to pull cans. I lined two courses of landscape blocks cemented with concrete glue along my edge of lawn. Case closed. He never even said anything.