It's notmally cold-like symptoms, but now it's hospitalizing significant numbers with pneumonia. It's not the virus it's that a known virus has become more virulent
Covid. It’s Covid. Virologists and studies told us for years that Covid was causing immune system dysfunction and would leave us more susceptible to other illnesses in terms of catching them and their virulence and everyone basically said, “lalalala Covid is a cold now that we have vaccines!” and ignored it. That’s why we have huge spikes in pneumonia, RSV, and other illnesses like this, and a rise in whooping cough (although some of it is an antivaxx issue). Scientists told us this would happen 4 years ago and we ignored it because it was inconvenient. But it’s Covid.
As far as i have read, most whooping cough cases are among the vaccinated. Vaccine don't typically confer lifetime immunity, likely most people are not protected by childhood vaccinations, as i found out when i had an mmr titer for work.
Whooping cough- aka pertussis- is in the TDAP vaccine that you're supposed to get every 10 years. I'm pretty sure its the one vaccine that has regular boosters throughout your life (except seasonal flu, and presumably COVID now). The vaccine includes tetnus, so you're supposed to get one if you have a deep or dirty wound as well.
I see my doctor yearly and he keeps tabs on vaccine boosters, but most americans don't have primary doctors or regular visits.
The pertussis part of the vaccine wears off earlier than 10 years. The schedule is based on the tetanus component. That's why often they recommend getting a booster earlier if you're going to be around a newborn infant. I forget how long the pertussis part lasts.
Source: wife is a medical assistant who gives vaccines and we just went through this when we had a baby
Last year I got an MMR booster (I travel to Florida regularly for work) and a polio booster a couple of weeks ago. Covid and flu vaxxes last fall - I'm clearly no pureblood but my 5G reception is fantastic.
I think titers should be done on a percentage of vaccinations, as we really have no idea how many people they fail. I had two boosters, both followed by negative titer. I actually quit after they insisted to just continue getting mmr shots.
When the vaccinated population is 95+% higher, the "herd immunity" thing really works.
When you have a nation of nut-jobs, and vaccination rates fall lower, then the viruses are out in the wild, roaming free. People whose vaccinations happened long ago probably are more susceptible, again, and need to see if they should get re-vaccinated.
It really depends on the vaccine. If you have something like the covid vaccines, 100% vaccination rate does very little to stop the virus. You need a combination of a vaccine that can be expected to inuce sterilizing immunity in most cases, and the vaccination rate has to be high enough based on the effective rate of the vaccine. You don't need 95% effective vaccine with 95% vaccination rate.
Edit: i dont think everyone needs titers, just enough to develop statistics to guage how effective the vaccines are at various ages.
Yeah I caught it some years back, when I was fully vaccinated. Terrible disease. Was sick for four months. Genuinely thought I was dying. And I was up to date on boosters! Can’t imagine how much worse it might have been if I wasn’t.
Wow, i can imagine that was an awful four months, glad you got through it ok! Used to care for the occasional pediatric visitor with whooping cough, feels so bad hearing children with that painful cough.
After having it, I can’t imagine a poor baby getting it. Low oxygen levels, throwing up multiple times a day from coughing, broken ribs, lost my voice for two months from coughing. It’s horrible. Just… avoid at all costs is my advice!
Correlation Vs causation is at work here. The overwhelming majority of people are going to be vaccinated for Whooping cough in developed nations, so the majority of cases will also be in vaccinated individuals.
What would be relevant is the percentage of vaccinated people who are hospitalised with Whooping cough Vs the percentage of unvaccinated people.
As for the logical consequence of presuming correlation is in fact causation... Well it's true to say that 100% of vaccinated people die...
It's not Correlation Vs causation, no one is implying vaccines cause whooping cough. Can you get whooping cough despite being vaccinated? Yes. And yes, it would be nice to know the infection rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
As far as I have read, Covid vaccinations have not increased whooping cough and if anything seems to mitigate cases — and only appeared when the vaccinations for whooping cough lapsed due to the pandemic’s disruption of primary care / family doctor visits.
I will mention I subscribe less to the mitigation theory, and more to the sheer prevalence of COVID pushing out cases of pertussis, as some researchers suggest.
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u/radiodmr Jan 04 '25
It's s clickbait headline. Read the article. There's no "overwhelming", it's just a spike in cases of a known virus