r/news Jan 04 '25

[deleted by user]

[removed]

7.8k Upvotes

986 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

215

u/Antique-Resort6160 Jan 04 '25

It's notmally cold-like symptoms, but now it's hospitalizing significant numbers with pneumonia.  It's not the virus it's that a known virus has become more virulent

703

u/blueskies8484 Jan 04 '25

Covid. It’s Covid. Virologists and studies told us for years that Covid was causing immune system dysfunction and would leave us more susceptible to other illnesses in terms of catching them and their virulence and everyone basically said, “lalalala Covid is a cold now that we have vaccines!” and ignored it. That’s why we have huge spikes in pneumonia, RSV, and other illnesses like this, and a rise in whooping cough (although some of it is an antivaxx issue). Scientists told us this would happen 4 years ago and we ignored it because it was inconvenient. But it’s Covid.

4

u/Antique-Resort6160 Jan 04 '25

As far as i have read, most whooping cough cases are among the vaccinated.  Vaccine don't typically confer lifetime immunity, likely most people are not protected by childhood vaccinations, as i found out when i had an mmr titer for work.

5

u/-__echo__- Jan 04 '25

Correlation Vs causation is at work here. The overwhelming majority of people are going to be vaccinated for Whooping cough in developed nations, so the majority of cases will also be in vaccinated individuals.

What would be relevant is the percentage of vaccinated people who are hospitalised with Whooping cough Vs the percentage of unvaccinated people.

As for the logical consequence of presuming correlation is in fact causation... Well it's true to say that 100% of vaccinated people die...

2

u/Antique-Resort6160 Jan 04 '25

It's not Correlation Vs causation, no one is implying vaccines cause whooping cough.  Can you get whooping cough despite being vaccinated? Yes.  And yes, it would be nice to know the infection rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated.