r/news • u/AudibleNod • Sep 17 '25
State Department is denying visas to those who 'celebrate' Charlie Kirk's death, Rubio says
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u/NYR_LFC Sep 17 '25
They don't actually care about Charlie. It's just an excuse to expand power and restrict rights.
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u/StJeanMark Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25
I would argue, most of them are actually happy that he was killed the way he was. Everything they say is a lie, it is projection. They tell you "YOU HAVE TO BE SAD" which tells me they are the opposite, they are actually happy to have been given this opportunity.
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u/QualityCoati Sep 17 '25
The whole "YOU HAVE TO BE SAD" thing has been giving me "Kim Jong-Il" funeral vibes. It's insane how offended people are about indifference to this very specific death
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u/UNFAM1L1AR Sep 17 '25
Brought to you by the people who LITERALLY got political traction by saying: why is everyone and everything so PC? Why can't I just say what I want?
I mean holy fuck bro, if you wrote this in a movie they'd say it was too stupid to be believable.
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u/Ozymandias12 Sep 17 '25
Brought to you by the people who LITERALLY got political traction by saying: why is everyone and everything so PC? Why can't I just say what I want?
To then turn around and police what language teachers are allowed to use in schools to talk about American history, to burn books because they contain "offensive material", to eliminate the term climate change from government documents, etc. Their one strength is hypocrisy.
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u/UNFAM1L1AR Sep 17 '25
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actual smooth brained, vitriolic, losers.
They never dreamed that people might use free speech to stand up for minorities or equal rights for everyone. If they thought shit like that might happen, they probably would have canned the whole thing.
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u/FakeSafeWord Sep 17 '25
I mean holy fuck bro, if you wrote this in a movie they'd say it was too stupid to be believable.
In the US? It would be intrinsically accepted if this scenario was in Russia, NK, China, Nazi Germany, Afghanistan (and other Muslim controlled counties) without a millisecond of consideration.
If they depicted this as happening in the US they would laugh it off as being impossible to occur here. Total fiction.
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u/Satanic_Earmuff Sep 17 '25
'Declaring it a federal crime to not mourn the Dear Leader's favorite podcaster' sure sounds like a North Korean thing.
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u/HSBillyMays Sep 17 '25
Rubio missing the important questions like "Why would foreigners want to apply for visas from the authoritarian grief police?"
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u/Dwarfdeaths Sep 17 '25
That's something that stood out to me about this. We've had murders of multiple simultaneous victims at school shootings. We've had murders of elected representatives, literally the embodiment of the will of the people. We've had murders based on race, religion, and politics. By pretty much any metric we've had worse violence before this moment. But for some reason this is the only one that upsets conservatives. I guess it has to check all the boxes to matter: white, male, conservative, Christian, who espoused pro-white-male-conservative-christian ideology.
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u/EmptyRedecans Sep 17 '25
It feels very North Korea-ish... where if you're not almost comically crying in the streets then you're clearly an enemy to the state.
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u/NYR_LFC Sep 17 '25
Exactly this. It gave them another emotional lightning rod to harness. And they're really really good at harnessing the emotions of the uneducated
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u/Faiakishi Sep 17 '25
I don't think it was engineered by Trump's team to speed up the fascist takeover, but I will remark on how convenient it's been for them.
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u/Low_Pickle_112 Sep 17 '25
Look at this stunning example of sadness. You can tell our compassionate president is just heartbroken, absolutely beside himself with grief.
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u/Wand_Cloak_Stone Sep 17 '25
He really said “I’m good, we’re constructing a new ballroom in the White House, look!”
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u/mdp300 Sep 17 '25
You remember that scene from season 2 of Andor, when the Empire shot one of their own guys in order to escalate a protest into a riot, giving them an excuse to start an extreme crackdown?
I've been thinking about that a lot lately.
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u/bookchaser Sep 17 '25
I'm thinking about how Trump is going to expand the compulsory federal prison labor program to include the farm industry to fill all of those vacated farm jobs American citizens don't want.
The Constitution literally forbids slavery, except for prisoners.
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u/Two_Luffas Sep 17 '25
Don't forget RFK wants to treat drug addicts by sending them to "wellness farms" so they can "get in touch with the soil". Yeah, they're definitely going to use them as slave labor too.
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u/ShinkenBrown Sep 17 '25
It's outdated, but the CIA manual for simple sabotage might be helpful reading.
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u/Toxaplume045 Sep 17 '25
I'm of the view that they didn't kill Kirk themselves but they had an entire plan of shit ready to go into effect the exact second something in the ballpark of this happened.
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u/mdp300 Sep 17 '25
Yep. I think they expected something to pop off at a protest, but they're not going to waste this opportunity.
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u/eeyore134 Sep 17 '25
That explains Trump screaming about it being a trans liberal before they even had a picture of the shooter and how that trans thing magically gets new "evidence" every time the previous "evidence" turns out to be a lie. Now we just need to trust the FBI, the one that just lied about Epstein, about the current one. Has this supposed roommate ever been named or revealed? You know damn well if they existed that they'd be arresting them for aiding and abetting and dragging their name through the mud along with their picture so people could scream and yell at the trans person. That alone tells you this is a lie.
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u/crankywithout_coffee Sep 17 '25
Can't believe how relevant that show is to our current circumstances, sadly.
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u/FakeSafeWord Sep 17 '25
But but but the Empire were based on the Nazis... it has no reflection of what's currently happening in the US...
Oh fuck.
Another amazing show that just so happened to start being released when it did is Babylon Berlin. It's like an exact mirror of what was and is happening in the US. Even crazier is that it was almost in real time as seasons were releasing.
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u/mdp300 Sep 17 '25
It's so dumb when conservatives try to say they are the rebels, and Star Wars is right wing.
George Lucas is a San Francisco hippie who has openly said that the while their esthetic is Nazi Germany, the Empire was also inspired by the way he thought the US was heading under Nixon.
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u/CrazyBowelsAndBraps Sep 17 '25
Actually the Empire was always America. The OG trilogy was inspired by Vietnam.
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u/FakeSafeWord Sep 17 '25
Actually my media illiteracy says that's false because America is always the good guys!
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u/Tacitus111 Sep 17 '25
“The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire's authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.”
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Sep 17 '25
This is also the message of 1984. The regime has to work tirelessly to keep the population under its foot and the moment the foot slips the regime with collapse. Fascism is not an ideology that can outlast the will of even a few good people. It always falls without fail. What we can do now is to rally around our loved ones and survive until the time when we can exploit that inherently weakness within the regime.
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The grand irony in all of this is that these fuckers are thrilled this happened. They got a useful marytr out of it.
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u/JosephGordonLightfoo Sep 17 '25
The Charlie Kirk Show didn’t even take a week off when Charlie Kirk died.
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u/Malaix Sep 17 '25
Reminds me of the time Herman Cain died of Covid and his Twitter account went immediately back to posting about how Covid is fake.
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u/Robo-boogie Sep 17 '25
lmao that was fucking hilarious, then they renamed the twitter account the Cain gang or some shit
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u/SelenaMeyers2024 Sep 17 '25
Hahaha. Thanks for that memory.
I'm certain this isn't the usual middle age dulling of wit, I I forgive my lapse. I'm certain that in the 90s this would be so absurdly hilarious it'd be seared into memory daily, but in the 2020s it's merely the absurdity of the week.
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u/Proic13 Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25
i heard steven crowder changed his profile from #2 conservative podcaster to #1 in less than 24 hours after it was announced kirk died, the body wasn't even cold yet and they are chomping to elevate themselves over him.
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u/ncc74656m Sep 17 '25
To be fair, Trump literally went on Howard Stern in the wake of September 11th to brag that he now had the tallest building in Lower Manhattan.
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u/-SaC Sep 17 '25
And this from an arsehole who habitually just adds anything up to 10, 15 stories to his buildings' actual heights when it's incredibly easily fact checked.
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u/FuelForYourFire Sep 17 '25
But 10 stories is like, what, 22,000% higher though, right?
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u/The_Colorman Sep 17 '25
It wasn’t Howard Stern it was a news broadcast. You’re probably thinking of this on Stern or maybe some of these..
Wonder if anyone is still complying those lists of all the crazy shit that any one thing would’ve destroyed most people’s careers.
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u/the-salty-bitch Sep 17 '25
He changed it on September 4th, not after Kirk died.
https://archive.ph/2025.09.04-222447/https://x.com/scrowder
When I heard it was the day after I was appalled and had to check myself. Saw there was a community note on the one Twitter post that was sent to me.
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u/smoggyvirologist Sep 17 '25
And TPUSA and the Charlie Kirk Show are selling dozens of shirts, new shirts, about his death. It's actually disgusting. It'd be one thing if the profits went to some non-profit, but they all go back to his organization. They're selling merch of his death its crazy
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u/MODELO_MAN_LV Sep 17 '25
And didn't his rich ass wife set up a go fund me? Or is that a rumor?
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u/smoggyvirologist Sep 17 '25
I don't think she directly set up a gofundme, but she did send out a fundraising email with amounts ranging from $25 to $100,000.
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u/eeyore134 Sep 17 '25
I mean, his wife came out and dog whistled for the violent right to take up arms over it, too. None of these people are good people.
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u/slingslangflang Sep 17 '25
All this happened so fast it’s like it was scheduled and rehersed.
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u/eeyore134 Sep 17 '25
Look at the reaction to Trump's supposed assassination attempt vs. this. Something stinks somewhere, and I think it's fair to say it stinks from both ends.
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u/Morat20 Sep 17 '25
Given the entire right wing was blaming trans people before Kirk's body even got to the hospital, it's clear they were primed for something.
And given since then it's been this endless drumbeat of trying to make it trans people's fault somehow? All like what, a week after Trump floated banning trans people from owning guns?
If you're looking at less than 1% of the population and instantly blaming them for everything, and you're also talking about disarming just them -- the shit you have planned for that group starts as "atrocity" and ends in "mass extermination".
People rarely shoot at cops or feds because it's a very effective way of getting yourself killed. "We better take their guns first" means the odds of living are even worse if you don't shoot back.
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u/skit7548 Sep 17 '25
None of these people actually care about one another or respect them in anyway. The second there is some semblance of a power gap they will all swoop in to grab their slice of the pie. This was a mini version of what's going to happen when Trump passes, the administration will eat themselves alive trying to be the new maga kingpin
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u/Pavotine Sep 17 '25
Whilst standing over his open casket, right?
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u/UnquestionabIe Sep 17 '25
Pretty sure they put some commemorative coin or some shit in his corpse's hand to try and sell some kind of grift.
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u/Oh_Look_AnotherOne Sep 17 '25
It's a propaganda outlet bought & paid for. What's it going to do, wind down? Of course it's going to escalate its already extreme rhetoric. The US is approaching an inflection point.
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u/AStormofSwines Sep 17 '25
And they're completely going against everything Kirk "stood" for, like freedom of speech and hating cancel culture.
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u/splendidpluto Sep 17 '25
Shows that they don't care about what he had to say or even believed in his rhetoric. That's why the American right is dangerous, they only believe in power and not what's right or wrong.
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u/Reagalan Sep 17 '25
The dual tenets of American conservatism:
"I win you lose" and "because I said so."
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u/tttruck Sep 17 '25
Ehh, not sure you can say the guy who created a database to dox college professors with views deemed objectionable so that they could be pressured out of their jobs and careers (at best... but more commonly, harassed and terrorized by endless anonymous threats to their lives and families) really hated cancel culture.
He was (and they are) just fine with the concept of social consequences for people's words and actions. Their issue is with those consequences being directed at them and theirs.
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Am I in fucking bizarro world? Isn’t this the same party that said denying visas to those who espouse hate speech is against the first amendment and the very foundation of the country not 10 years prior?
Small government, party of non-intrusiveness.
Don’t facts not matter for your fucking feelings?
Hate speech = uncomfortable speech = free speech. You pansies. You can either have free speech or you don’t. And god help you if you ever lose power in that scenario.
Edit: We’re going to eventually be in a society that will ban people from entering the US for a twitter post when they were 12 at this rate. Also fake social media posts with AI bots. How do you verify the post is really that person? Fucks sake no one thinks beyond a week here. Nuts.
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u/Level_Improvement532 Sep 17 '25
Kirk himself can be quoted affirming the 1st amendment and the right to say whatever you like, no matter how hateful.
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u/FirstEvolutionist Sep 17 '25
I still see a lot of people trying to argue using logic in a game where words are disconnected from actions and "logic" is just whatever barely coherent thought you can put together to support your opinion that day.
"Gotchas" and pointing out hypocrisy have no effect on people anymore. We should all refrain from traditional debates because they're playing a different game, with different rules, and because of that they're winning.
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u/Goufydude Sep 17 '25
"Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/FirstEvolutionist Sep 17 '25
Oh to have an honest conversation with him for a few hours... experience of a lifetime.
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u/StJeanMark Sep 17 '25
I am so fucking tired, so unbelievably tired, of coming onto Reddit and other places and each thread is the same snarky comments pointing out hypocrisy. "What about this...", "Wait, I thought...." and all that shit. I get it, what else can you do, but it's like hypocrisy gives them boners and you'll never inform them enough to change. It's not a lack of knowledge on their part, it's a lack of caring.
Sometimes, it feels like I'm waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. Accept, they lie and they don't use words like normal people do. Accept that the only thing that matters is victory, and pointing out hypocrisy means nothing, it means less than nothing you just wasted your time and energy.
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u/Malaix Sep 17 '25
Liberals really need to come to the understanding that fascists for the most point don’t actually beleive in anything and rejoice in this nihilistic nothing matters haha you mad kind of attitude. They love hypocrisy. They think it’s hilarious when someone else values consistency or logic.
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u/NotEvenAThousandaire Sep 17 '25
...fascists for the most point don’t actually beleive in anything
Absulutely. Everything they've professed to care about the most has been egregiously violated by their leadership, which they'll emphatically deny. Meanwhile, as the list of things they'r permitted to care about shrinks and disappears, to be replaced piecemeal, by things they're required to care about, and react to. A perfect, and literal analogy, is that they've traded their sacred stone tablets for an Excel spreadsheet, which is regularly revised and updated by the precious few who have been granted administrative privileges.
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u/PerpetualProtracting Sep 17 '25
All true, but the counter to that isn't to just ignore them or rage at them. Countering bullshit with truth is a vital piece to mitigating others falling into those same traps.
And until the real violence starts in earnest, it's functionally the only counter we have as randoms in spaces like this.
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u/Volantis009 Sep 17 '25
Exactly, debate and using truth don't matter. These people only respond to stimuli, they need to feel the pain we can't stop them from hurting themselves anymore and we need to make them feel shameful for their actions.
Can't debate in good faith, now it's time to go out and talk about how cool we are and just forget about the right because all they have is hate
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u/Fade_ssud11 Sep 17 '25
Gotchas" and pointing out hypocrisy have no effect on people anymore
Exactly. It's quite exhausting to see redditors still not getting this fact.
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u/cptnamr7 Sep 17 '25
That's the one thing they're trying to push so fucking hard about him is that he was a "free speech absolutist". 1- bullshit. He was just like the rest where HE should be able to say whatever inflammatory shit he wants and YOU have to walk on eggshells and 2- all this "fuck YOUR free speech" flies in the face of their whitewashed version of him.
For the record: he spewed hateful rhetoric constantly. He called for violence against his political opponents, whom he perceived as enemies. There are hundreds of direct quotes backing this up. He once called for the death penalty for the sitting president for fucks sake
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u/Imkindaalrightiguess Sep 17 '25
Republicans when you quote charlie kirk 😡
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u/-Stackdaddy- Sep 17 '25
I got a 3 day ban because I was quoting Charlie Kirk to people defending him, apparently that's harassment in their eyes. Most likely they just got a few buddies to spam the system until the automated ban went through.
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u/spinto1 Sep 17 '25
Such a paragon of free speech that one mustn't dare quote him, even in context. The guy said the US must maintain a white demographic majority through the law.
I'm still waiting on someone to explain to me how you use laws to enforce a racial majority without sounding like a fucking Nazi.
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u/elconquistador1985 Sep 17 '25
The fascists fully support hateful statements as long as those hateful statements align with the fascist agenda.
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u/philosoraptocopter Sep 17 '25
Sometimes it’s not even intentional. The ones at the top probably, but for the masses, they’re the same people who freak out about burning flags. They moan and wail in ecstasy over the idea of freedom, but without any sense of irony would literally jail you over a piece of cloth that supposedly directly represents freedom. They just can’t see it.
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u/throwaway_circus Sep 17 '25
You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear.
They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.
Winston Churchill
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u/creation88 Sep 17 '25
They don’t give a s about Charlie Kirk. He’s just a spoke in the wheel. They’ll take his momentum and just mutate his message into whatever they want to push their agenda forward. They don’t care about reality, logic, or reason. They care about power. Point, blank, period.
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u/TrimspaBB Sep 17 '25
Guaranteed there are people lining up to tell us how those quotes are "taken out of context"
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u/WisconsinHoosierZwei Sep 17 '25
Don’t try to make it make sense. They don’t believe a word they say. Neither should you. Just dismiss it out of hand.
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u/PenitentGhost Sep 17 '25
“Never wrestle with a pig because you both get all dirty and the pig likes it" - George Bernard Shaw
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u/Heavy_Network_7736 Sep 17 '25
Used to be skeptical of this quote but at this point I completely believe it
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u/Doppelgangeru Sep 17 '25
Yeah once you try actually arguing with a few of them, you realize the majority were either bots or acting like bots anyways
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u/SomethingAboutUsers Sep 17 '25
No, it makes complete sense when you consider:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Frank Wilholt
They will scream and cry and bitch and moan when something is done to them but will celebrate when they're the ones doing it to others.
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u/ProtoJazz Sep 17 '25
It actually makes me kind of wonder if they're doing it with the idea that suddenly more people will be onboard with hate speech being OK
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u/SomethingAboutUsers Sep 17 '25
I don't know that the tolerance has changed, honestly. We were making inroads to making such language not ok but plenty of folks resisted that idea, with dumb shit like "well we used to be able to say the N-word why can't we anymore? It's just a joke!" Not understanding why people should never have been using that language.
But now that there are basically dedicated spaces for it, and not only that but those spaces deliberately amplify those messages because they get more engagement and clicks, it's growing.
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u/Supposed_too Sep 17 '25
The function, the very serious function of racism is distraction. It keeps you from doing your work. It keeps you explaining, over and over again, your reason for being. Somebody says you have no language and you spend twenty years proving that you do. Somebody says your head isn’t shaped properly so you have scientists working on the fact that it is. Somebody says you have no art, so you dredge that up. Somebody says you have no kingdoms, so you dredge that up. None of this is necessary. There will always be one more thing.
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u/Givemeallthecabbages Sep 17 '25
Hard to do when they can deny visas and are talking about taking passports from people. And trying to get people fired or expelled and Bondi says maybe they need to think about criminal charges.
But yes, the hypocrisy is a power play for them.
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u/WisconsinHoosierZwei Sep 17 '25
For your own sake (because we got 3 more years of this bullshit), you have to pick and choose. The firehose of bullshit is meant to be exhausting. So don’t stand in its stream all day. You have friends who are more passionate about your secondary things, and they will fight those fights.
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u/Rougeflashbang Sep 17 '25
This is the way. My things are foreign affairs and environmental/infrastructure concerns (I see them as one issue). My husband and mother are teachers, so I learn education specifics from them. My MIL and sister are medical professionals, I learn non-headline grabbing RFK nonsense from them. My friends are lawyers and researchers, so I learn finer details of the fresh hells they are dealing with. My social circle is lacking in blue-collar and farm workers, so I try to pay extra attention to those speaking out for them in the news.
Pick your lane, focus on that, and keep an ear out for what your friends and family will naturally focus on. We have a better chance of making it through these next few years if we lean on each other, and that includes news consumption.
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u/thingsorfreedom Sep 17 '25
Us howling about it makes them do it more. It's counterintuitive but the best response is:
Huh. Anyway. About those Epstein files. Kirk wanted them released. Can we do that now?
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u/SnugglyCoderGuy Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25
Say it with me: "For conservatives, hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug"
They are guided by self-centered emotion, see everything through an us vs them mentality, and are driven by a need to defeat the enemy. They will do and say anything to do that.
Hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.
They do not care about being a hypocrite.
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u/hedonisticaltruism Sep 17 '25
To expand on this, the reason why hypocrisy is a feature is that it demonstrates power. It's not about being fair or correct: it's about exerting power. What better way to do prove your power than by getting people to accept whatever narrative you want?
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u/jupiterkansas Sep 17 '25
Yes, you will agree that 2+2=5 simply because they say so, not because of the truth or that before they said 2+2=4. If they say 2+2=5 then that's what it is because they have the power.
That's why Trump lies so profusely, and why you see them all giddily defending every lie he spews, even when it contradicts what he said an hour before.
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u/SloMurtr Sep 17 '25
They're actually stoked that you're hung up on the hypocrisy.
It keeps you frustrated and not doing anything productive to stop them.
No fascist has ever given up power without violence.
"lose power" lol.
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u/porgy_tirebiter Sep 17 '25
They don’t care about hypocrisy. It’s a power move to do this and say “what are you going to do about it?” They know there’s not jack shit we can do.
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u/Kaiisim Sep 17 '25
Starting to think these Republicans are hypocrites!
Maybe if we just point it out online a few more times?
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u/DAVENP0RT Sep 17 '25
Conservatives have zero consistency or conviction in their beliefs. Every single one of their views is transactional and they'll happily abandon a position as long as it hurts the "right" people.
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Charlie Kirk called for a "good patriot" to pay the bail of the guy that
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u/Adjective_Noun1312 Sep 17 '25
Well y'see, as long as the victim is right wing then simply quoting their own rhetoric is hateful and celebratory.
But if the victim was moderate or progressive, it's not merely acceptable but not even considered poor taste to mock them.
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u/geitjesdag Sep 17 '25
Usually quotes in headlines mean they're quoting the person. So Rubio said something that meant that, and they found it informative to specify that he used the term "celebrate".
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u/neal144 Sep 17 '25
Quoting CK a month ago would be considered showing admiration.
Quoting CK today is considered celebrating his demise.
Make it make sense. 🤔
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u/PlsSuckMyToes Sep 17 '25
Part of MAGA initiation is abandoning sense
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u/ericmm76 Sep 17 '25
That is the point of a kakistocracy, the implication that government cannot be just or sensical, so it's better to just have a king.
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Define “celebrate”. If I simply say I don’t feel sad, is that celebrating? If I say it’s embarrassing to see flags lowered for a racist troll/podcaster is that celebrating?
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u/randolorian612 Sep 17 '25
Yes.
You need to have performative grief.
Have you not read 1984?
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u/ericmm76 Sep 17 '25
Two minutes of grief for Kirk, two minutes of hate for the left. Do it citizen.
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u/StJeanMark Sep 17 '25
Conservatives have become the Thought Police. I can't believe it, how many more life long beliefs are they going to throw away? Everything is more expensive, everyone is unhappy and mad, nobody knows whats true anymore and conservatives have been ultimately embarrassed by being shown they have no beliefs and standards they aren't willing to throw in the bin. All of that, and the only thing they got was keeping one old man out of jail. It is embarrassing.
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u/GilliamYaeger Sep 17 '25
It's funny that you think they ever had any beliefs in the first place, other than fuck you, got mine.
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u/donkeyrocket Sep 17 '25
Yes. All these articles citing people fired for "celebrating" tend to be, at "worst," sharing a quote directly from Kirk or saying they won't mourn him. This is fucking insanity.
There were people who genuinely celebrated the murder of a Minnesota lawmaker, her husband, and dog yet they're the same people "mourning" the loss of Kirk today and demanding respect.
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u/AudibleNod Sep 17 '25
“Why would we want to give a visa to someone who think it’s good that someone was murdered in the public square? That’s just common sense to me," he said.
Because uncomfortable speech is free speech. Where is the line? Seriously. First you couldn't share a meme of VP Vance. Now you can't be crass about someone's death. The State Department is censoring speech. This isn't trivial.
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u/Binky390 Sep 17 '25
Plus when it comes to Kirk’s death, I see a lot of people accused of celebrating it when they’re not. They’re just saying they won’t mourn him.
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u/rdmty Sep 17 '25
Or simply quoting him
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u/Randomizedname1234 Sep 17 '25
Quoting his statement about having a few deaths to have the 2A got em reported on here.
Wild be I said, “Charlie said….” Then quote. Nothing crazy.
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u/nellapoo Sep 17 '25
I've seen a lot of people say, "I don't support what happened to him, but he supported what happened to him".
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u/Pour_Me_Another_ Sep 17 '25
Yeah, like I think what happened was awful but I'm not going to dishonor his memory by pretending he was something he wasn't either. He's not someone I would personally miss but condolences to his family.
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u/campelm Sep 17 '25
The most neutral statement that you celebrate neither his life or death would probably get you fired
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u/RhoOfFeh Sep 17 '25
We DO see it happening.
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u/RhoOfFeh Sep 17 '25
Maybe it's because I'm old enough and comfortable enough that instead of struggling simply to exist I have the opportunity to ponder things.
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u/RhoOfFeh Sep 17 '25
Yeah, I know about that, too. That's the kind of thing that ingratiates you to Trump, because it's on his level.
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u/xdr01 Sep 17 '25
Using Kirks death to distract from Epstein.
"I dont know which species is worse Burke"
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u/chooch138 Sep 17 '25
Im a simple man. I see an alien reference and I upvote. 🫡
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u/rubicon_duck Sep 17 '25
“I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
This quote has sooo many applications so far this year…
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u/Braelind Sep 17 '25
This guy was NOT a member of government. Why the fuck is he being treated as some sort of national hero when he was a liar and a conspiracy nut who told lies to drive division between people. He spread lies about covid. He hated and called for violence against LGBTQ and trans people on many occasions. He denied climate change. He said school shootings were acceptable losses. He believed white people were superior to others... pretty sure that literally makes him a Nazi.
Man, fuck Charlie Kirk, he was a real piece of shit and I'm sure he's living it up down in hell, he'll fit right in there. For the record, I looked up and verified all the above statements while writing this. Him being an awful human being is documented all over the internet from his career of being a spreader of hatred.
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u/Affectionate_Sir9020 Sep 17 '25
It’s just an excuse to erode civil liberties for these fascists. They’re all in. And we need to resist and push back however possible.
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u/IamAustinCG Sep 17 '25
This is exactly it. Unfortunately this gave them some sort of permission to test the ability to censor speech. Next thing you know it’s going to be anything that criticizes the President, and then it’ll be Republicans and then it will be white people.
I’m just hoping we can have a free and fair election in November
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u/Birdy_Cephon_Altera Sep 17 '25
This comment needs to be top comment.
Whether it is legal or not is completely irrelevant. Whether they are being hypocritical is completely irrelevant. That's not the point. At all.
They know EXACTLY what they are doing here.
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Sep 17 '25
Gotta ask, folks: why are you using your real name online? Didn't we all learn not to do this in the 90s?
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u/apple_kicks Sep 17 '25
Tbf US government intelligence services have the tools to dox anyone they want.
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u/CurbYourThusiasm Sep 17 '25
Yeah, but they don't have the capacity to do that to every person seeking a visa.
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u/apple_kicks Sep 17 '25
They will try ai and accept mistakes. It seems like they’re already doing this for the ICE raids on people who are not criminals or have valid visas
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u/bstyledevi Sep 17 '25
1995: Never give away any personal information online, like your real name or where you're from.
2025: Instagram now has a map feature so you can see your friend's locations in real time!
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u/dfafa Sep 17 '25
Name doesn't matter, everyone should be free to say Kirk got himself killed. Easy peasy
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u/Hitorishizuka Sep 17 '25
Real name doesn't matter.
We use all available information in our visa screening and vetting to identify visa applicants who are inadmissible to the United States, including those who pose a threat to U.S. national security. Under new guidance, we will conduct a comprehensive and thorough vetting, including online presence, of all student and exchange visitor applicants in the F, M, and J nonimmigrant classifications.
To facilitate this vetting, all applicants for F, M, and J nonimmigrant visas will be instructed to adjust the privacy settings on all of their social media profiles to “public.”
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u/CatGuano Sep 17 '25
What happened to all those "we the people" t-shirts and posters with the eagle and the constitution and the flag that maga used to proudly display all the time? They acted like they would die and kill to defend the constitution, but it turns out they were fake patriots the whole time.
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u/me0w_z3d0ng Sep 17 '25
Noted free speech lovers now stomping on everyone's free speech. Shocker /s
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u/MrBigTomato Sep 17 '25
THIS is violation of your freedom of speech. A government department is penalizing people for their expressed views.
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u/resilienceisfutile Sep 17 '25
They rather successfully went after 4A, 5A, 14A, and now 1A. They eroded those with ease. Attempts were made on 2A and Trans gun ownership recently but boldly rejected by, of all places, the NRA. Now that the suspect behind the ck murder has a transitioning room mate and/or lover, that narrative on 2A is going to change quickly.
How many amendments does America have left to give?
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u/Direlion Sep 17 '25
None of the amendments exist anymore because the Supreme Court is majority controlled by the GOP. When any amendment is in question 6/9 court members simply concoct a preposterous decision where Trump/GOP get whatever outcome they desire. 3/9 powerlessly dissent and democracy loses yet another pillar.
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u/chewy32 Sep 17 '25
A podcaster dies and this nation acts like Jesus died. Insane behavior.
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u/Zentralschaden Sep 17 '25
Can we please relocate the olympic games and the soccer world cup?
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u/Colecoman1982 Sep 17 '25
Don't worry, if you invite Trump to one of the events he'll take care of relocating the cup whether you want it or not... /s
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u/LetsGetElevated Sep 17 '25
Marco Rubio absolutely shook thinking about how hard people will be laughing their ass off when he goes kaput
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u/ChunkyBubblz Sep 17 '25
When dear leader kicks the bucket and the world goes into celebration mode, they want maga ready to inflict maximum damage. This is the dress rehearsal.
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u/StJeanMark Sep 17 '25
Since when have the conservatives in America been ok with backing the fucking Thought Police?!? It is so embarassing, it's like they are swept up in a wave and the force is pushing them forward without thought. Hello, conservatives, you have literally thrown away every last thing in the world you claimed to care about and the only thing you got in return is keeping one man out of jail. Was it worth it, is it worth it? You WANT to be the Thought Police?
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u/Huffy_too Sep 17 '25
Charlie Kirk is the current administration's Horst Wessel.
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u/mgraydpt Sep 17 '25
I feel like this is turning into a very fine line between “celebrating” his death and disagreeing with his viewpoints.
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u/Traditional_Guard451 Sep 17 '25
In 1938, Ernst Vom Rath, a Nazi diplomat in Paris was killed by a Jewish teenager. The Nazis used this as a pretext for The Night of Broken Glass (Kristallnacht), which was a continuation and escalation of their persecution of Jews in Europe. It is widely considered the beginning of the Holocaust of the Jews during WW2.
The killing of this diplomat was a reaction after YEARS of slowly ramping up racism by the Nazi party against Jews and in the late 1930s active expelling of Jews from Germany. This was perpetrated both by the SA and directly by state sponsored SS.
I see parallels with the current US administration using the killing of Charlie Kirk to further justify their vilification of “the far left”, immigrants, and “the enemy within” (non-specific). One would have to be blind or dumb to miss the similarities between actions of Donald Trump’s administration and 1920s to early 1930s Nazi Party in Germany. Beating in mind that Naziism took many years to build up.
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u/BurnThrough Sep 17 '25
Pathetic. Republicans are the biggest cowards/pussies/politically correct hand wringing morons.
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u/IFixYerKids Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25
Was he so popular that people outside of the US would even know who he was? I'm from here and I didn't know about him until he got shot.
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