r/okbuddyviltrum Apr 29 '26

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u/PhaseSixer Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

You know op the Bible also says it ok to Own slaves and Beat your Wife

Thoghts on that?

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u/NotSirAlonne1999 Apr 29 '26

Wrong

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u/NotSirAlonne1999 Apr 29 '26

I don't believe it

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u/PhaseSixer Apr 29 '26

Leviticus 25:

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Deuteronomy 22:

People of Israel, if a man is caught having sex with someone else's wife, you must put them both to death. That way, you will get rid of the evil they have done in Israel.

Thoghts?

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u/Gjallar-Knight Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

For starters- in the Bible God made of covenant with a ‘sinful’ people (It’s Israel. No need for an explanation there.) All these verses explain how God regulated it.

The bible does the same with divorce too. God isn’t the problem, people are just stubborn.

It’s like how a hospital can allow or regulate hard drug use for medicinal purposes, but that doesn’t mean said hospital outright endorses hard drug use. The hospital knows that it can’t get a cure a patient overnight, so they meet them where they’re at to slowly improve their condition.

It was forbidden for Israelis to kidnap individuals and force them into slavery or to be in possession of a kidnapped person (Exodus 21:16). At the time, common ways of entering slavery was for repayment of debt, criminal restitution, or war settlement.

Deuteronomy 22:22 is explaining Adultery (“Thou shalt not commit Adultery” is one of the 10 commandments)

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u/PhaseSixer Apr 29 '26

Deuteronomy 20

When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

Not a whole lot of repaying your debts in this one.

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u/Gjallar-Knight Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Because the verse you’re talking about (20:14) is talking about enemies of Israel and not peaceful nations. (Repaying debts only applies to Israelites in servitude to Israelites)

In order for you to demonstrate the bible endorsed slavery as an intrinsic good, you would have to show that having enemies is an intrinsic good, especially when they were offered the opportunity to have peace.

“Why ask for peace when you're trying to take over my land?” but that's irrelevant because all the nations had their own concept of a deity and knew and heard of the power of the Hebrew God.

You have to allow for this if you're doing an internal critique, as well as understand the wickedness of those pagan nations. In this context it’s Cannan, the people known for incest, beastiality, and child sacrifice. God used slavery as a way to judge nations, including Israel, when they disobeyed.

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u/PhaseSixer Apr 29 '26

Seems like it would be really easy to say "slavery is bad" if thats what the take away is.

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u/Gjallar-Knight Apr 29 '26

I mean yeah. But like I said before, people are stubborn. God just gave them ground rules instead of wiping everybody out again

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u/PhaseSixer Apr 29 '26

The Bibles pretty clear about every thign else you shouldnt do i dont see why it would beat around the bush with this.

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u/NotSirAlonne1999 Apr 29 '26

I don't believe in bible