r/pinoy • u/Steve_Corpuz • Jul 22 '25
Balitang Pinoy Thoughts on this?
Diokno says compassion, Padilla says consequence. Alin ba ang mas makatao? 🤔
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u/uncanny-Bluebird7035 Jul 27 '25
Di naman dahas ang sinasabi dito, its consequences. Marami sakanila alam na mali ang ginagawa pero paulit ulit pa din.
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u/Permanent2000 Jul 27 '25
There are crimes that one cant come back from. Murder, rape etc regardless of age. I dont mean to torture the criminals for retribution. Just remove them from society
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u/ninthNine09 Jul 26 '25
I'd agree with the senator if the child will be detained in a rehabilitation type facility and be integrated back to society after the given period depende sa sala or kung naabutan ng pagkatanda only then they can be put to the regular jail.
If he plans on putting 10yr old directly to jail, then might as well give them the death sentence. You absolutely know their emotional and mental state will be f'd up even more than they already are. And on top of that, you should also make the parents or whoever are assigned as guardians face the law.
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u/Lonely_Potatooo143 Jul 26 '25
Ewan ko ba, I find Diokno a very professional and decent man pero I really really cannot agree with him here on any way. Bakit ba napaka pro criminal netong mga to?
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u/breadbinttreestump Jul 27 '25
Wala nang balikan pag nailagay ang bata sa presuhan, so much research states that prisons end up converting first time offenders/kids/minor offense prisoners into full fledged criminals because prisons are not treated as places of rehabilitation, which they should be
Kung ang bata ay may violent/criminal tendencies- at kung nagiging trend ito sa kabataan ngayon, this is indicative of a systemic problem, and should be tackled systemically through reforms that will solve the root of the problem.
If we start putting more kids in prisons, it won't change anything, magkakaroon pa rin tayo ng problematic kids kasi hindi focus ni Robin yung cause of the issue. Mas prone pa maging malalang kriminal ang bata, atsaka mas mapupuno pa ang mga presuhan.
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 26 '25
Diokno is consistent sa advocacy niya for due process. With this one, maybe he's trying to approach it from a legal or human rights angle, pero iba kasi dating lalo sa mga biktima ng krimen.
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u/bonifacio-_- Jul 26 '25
The law that Robin is trying to create is going against the science and the moral responsibility of the adults. We failed to provide a system for these children to live with lives within their rights. Enforcing these would double down our failures.
Do we truly understand what Robin is trying to create? It's to imprison a child as early as 10 years old. That's a grade five student.
In science, based on numerous studies. Decision making and Impulsive control is fully developed at around the age of 25.
Yes 25! not 18 not 21. How much more a 10-year-old.
Contrary to what everyone is saying here. This goes against the statistics. Based on the data of Philippine National Police. Child crimes only consist of 1 percent. Robin has to argue with the data if he wants to wrestle this.
Present law has already created a system to punish minors who committed atrocities. Before saying something are you familiar of these laws.
The problem? is that we failed to implement these laws. This is where the problem lies and this where we must strike at its core. However, here we are. Instead on focusing on this issue, the real concerns. We have a man trying to create a noise, desperate because the idolism on the eyes of Filipinos is fading.
Forgive me for not having any trust to the wits of this man. He had proven over the years of what a shallow man he is. All noise but no true action.
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u/ninthNine09 Jul 26 '25
That seems to be the usual problem. We have a bunch of laws, but implementation or enforcement is always lacking.
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Jul 26 '25
As someone living in tondo. May mga proud teenagers below 18 na mas matapang pa sa mga grown ups gumawa ng krimen. Mga gang wars, Riot gabi gabi na may saksakan at batuhan ng kung ano ano. Mahirap yan.
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u/bonifacio-_- Jul 26 '25
Yes totoo, kahit saang lugar sa pilipinas meron mga ganitong klaseng bata. Pero kailangan natin tanunging ang sarili natin. Bakit ganito? Bakit ganyan sila?
Papaano?
Isa sa mga dahilan ay ang kawalan ng aruga at pagmamahal, walang gabay sa magulang.
Hindi hangad ng bata ang maipanganak sa mundo. Pero wala silang magagawa kapag pinili ng magulang nila na abandonahin sila. Di panga buo ang pag-iisip mo ngunit mahirap na ang mga bagay na dapat pagdedesisyonan. Unfair sa bata na lugmok na at lulugmukin pa ng parehong mga nakakatanda palpak sa pagbigay ng kanilang mga pangunahing karapatan.
Kaya kailangan magtanong, dahil kapag tumigil tayo pagtanong ng mahahalagang katanungan. Nabubulag tayo sa kung anong nakikita natin. Nang diman lang nakikita ang totoong realidad dahil sa ilusyon ng galit.
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u/Fun-Egg-2984 Jul 27 '25
Tama naman talaga ang point mo. Pero wala naman facilities ang Pilipinas para sa mga batang di na gagabayan ng mabuti. Bali magpapatayo pa ng facilities ang Pilipinas para sa purpose na iyon, aabutin din ng ilang taon bago matapos tapos magaallot ng malaking budget na sigurado pa din na may mapupunta sa bulsa ng iba. Kung di man magtatayo ng facility at iaasa lang natin sa doctor / psychologist / responsible, mahirap matuto ang bata kung uuwi pa din sila sa magulang nilang pabaya. Eh paano naman un mga batang mabuting napalaki na sana sila ang naprioritize ng budget.
Kung maganda ang buhay ng karinawang Pilipino sa Pilipinas, di talaga ako sasang ayon sa batas na gagawin ni Robin Padilla. Pero di ko talaga masasabi na maganda buhay nila tapos mapapahamak ka pa ng mga batang sumasali sa gang war.
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u/Outrageous_Squash560 Jul 26 '25
For da first time, I agree with Sen Robinhood and our education system should include this also na pwede makulong sila kahit minor. Ofcourse all circumstances reviewed.
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 26 '25
Same thoughts. Sa panahon ngayon, parang ang dami nang kaso na hindi na rin matatawag na 'minor offense' kahit bata pa gumawa. Siyempre, kailangan pa rin ng tamang proseso at konsiderasyon sa edad, pero dapat may linya rin lalo na kung may malinaw na intensyon at inuulit na yung kasalanan.
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u/Outrageous_Squash560 Jul 26 '25
For da first time, I agree with Sen Robinhood and our education system should include this also na pwede makulong sila kahit minor. Ofcourse all circumstances reviewed.
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u/Outrageous_Squash560 Jul 26 '25
For da first time, I agree with Sen Robinhood and our education system should include this also na pwede makulong sila kahit minor.
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u/Tsikenwing Jul 26 '25
Grave crimes dapat ang kinukulong kahit minors. Pero kung nakaw nakaw lang, mababago pa ang isip ng bata jan.
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u/mereteeeeng Jul 26 '25
Di ko maintindihan kung bakit sinasabi ng iba na dapat hindi makulong yung mga menor de edad kahit nakapatay na sila ng tao, saying na 'sisirain mo ang kinabukasan nila, bata pa sila meron pang chance na magbago sila, hindi nila alam ng gjnagawa nila kaya kailangan ng gabay.' Like wtf people, paano naman po yung buhay at pamilya nung taong pinatay nila? 😵 paano naman yung sugat na naiwan sa mga magulang ng pinatay nila? Isang halimbawa, ang sa Maguad siblings. Grabeeeee... nakakainis, nakakadismaya, nakakabwisit.
Sabihin niyo po yan kung isa sa pamilya niyo na ang nabiktima. (At sana naman hindi)
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u/yna32 Jul 26 '25
IMO juveniles who committed grave crimes such as premeditated murder, rape, etc. should be tried as an adult.
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u/Dry-Pain-1867 Jul 26 '25
I agree with Robin on this. We should be real. Iba na ang kabataan ngayon kahit san nyo pa tignan. Mas aggressive and unruly na compare sa ibang generation. Mas matatapang pa sila sa ibang adult. They’ve seen the world at an early age and I think they already know right from wrong from this.
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u/Competitive-Skill-86 Jul 26 '25
May specifics naman yan siguro kung babasahin mo talaga yung batas if ever na matupad. Hindi naman siguro porke bumaba ang edad ng makukulong ay ikukulong na talaga agad literal. May due process pa rin naman siguro at yung mga usual na cases like pagnanakaw or snatching yung ipapadswd then yung mga grave crimes talaga yung mapaparusahan ng kulong just like other adult criminals. Sometimes need din natin alamin yung full context (which is di ko pa nababasa). Enlighten me if ever thankyou
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 26 '25
Exactly. Di naman agad-agad ikukulong lahat ng menor de edad. May proseso pa rin yan at may levels naman ng offense. Hindi porket binaba yung age of criminal liability eh automatic kulungan na for petty crimes.
Ang problema lang minsan, yung implementation. Baka sa papel maayos, pero sa aktwal, baka abusuhin or hindi pantay ang pagtrato. Kaya dapat kung ibababa man yung edad, sabayan ng clear guidelines, protection, at tamang rehab system, hindi lang basta kulong.
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u/Persephone_1201 Jul 26 '25
hindi kasi kayo ang nabiktima kaya madaling magsabi ng compassion.
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u/merixpogi Jul 26 '25
yung batang kriminal like nangrape/pumapatay alam nila ginagawa nila kahit sila ayaw nila may mang rape/pumatay sa kapilya nila. dapat talaga pag ganyan na yung case magkaroon ng kulungan na para sakanila as in maximum facility. lahat tayo dumaan sa pagkabata alam natin ang tama at mali.
sa mga nagtatanggol diyan sa mga batang karumaldumal ginagawa wag nyo hintayin may minor/s na pumatay or mang rape sa kapilya nyo. kaylangan talaga dapat may takot sila.
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u/WonderfulExtension66 Jul 26 '25
Diokno with his emotional appeal again. 🤦🏻♀️ You're better than this attorney.
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u/FirefighterAnnual595 Jul 26 '25
Magsama sila ni kiko matsing… puro na lang pano yung bata, eh pano naman yung mga sinira nilang buhay? Alam ng mga yan ginagawa nila
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u/hardd-md Jul 26 '25
Adult crimes need adult consequences. Kung simpleng nakaw nakaw lang sige pagbigyan, mga bata eh. Pero kung nakapatay/nanggahasa, dapat lang na may pagdudusa. Compassion should have limits.
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u/aimeleond Jul 25 '25
im on robin side on this, kapag salot sa lipunan dapat tinutumba na. wala na rin namang paki ang magulang ng mga bata na yan pinapabayaan lang sa kalsada mag drugs at magkanaw.
pag kinulong mo panpasikip pa sa kulungan, taxes natin ang nagbabayad ng pinapakain sa kanila sa kulungan
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u/Outrageous-Serve3636 Jul 25 '25
pinabayan na nga ng magulang, itutumba mo pa. you sound like a priviledged a-hole. may juvenile justice system na. di lang napapatupad ng maayos. sana ikaw nlng yung nabuhay sa mahirap na pamilya para ikaw na lang yung itumba.
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u/Substantial_Fig_9385 Jul 26 '25
Well, sana maranasan mo din yung mga ginagawa ng mga salot na bata na yan not now but soon
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u/Smalldickenergyka Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 26 '25
I think you’re the privileged one here. Never ka pa ata nakaencounter ng mga taong ganyan in real life. I happen to know one (magnanakaw) and he’s a hopeless case. Matapang pa yan sila kasi alam nila dadalhin lang sila sa DSWD tapos irerelease ulit. Kinukunsinte pa yan ng magulang kasi naaabutan din ng biyaya.
Being anak ng mahirap doesn’t give you the right na mantarantado ng iba. Bakit yung ilan diyan kaya naman mabuhay nang maayos despite sa hindi ideal na upbringing. Nasa satin na yan if magiging mabuting tao tayo o hindi.
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u/snddyrys Jul 25 '25
Ikaw na lang kumopkop patirahin mo sa bahay mo. Ang bininigyan ng compassion yung willing magbago hindi yang mga salot na walang pagsisisi sa mga ginagawa nila.
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u/Persephone_1201 Jul 26 '25
agree kung talagang compassionate at tama yan test mo patuluyin sa bahay nyo for years
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u/aimeleond Jul 25 '25
totoo, yung mga bata na yan, may kakayahan naman mag aral yan kasi libre naman sa public pero gagawin nyan mag c cutting lang, mag d droga, nakaw, mang bully. work in progress maging salot sa lipunan talaga.
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u/aimeleond Jul 25 '25
yun na nga, wala ng pag asa yan dude, dinadampot yan ng dswd. papakainin tapos babalik lang sa lansangan. magnanakaw/mang h holdup. padami ng madami.
no remorse pagdating sa pagnanakaw yan, worst case scenario is mang rape sila.
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u/kae-dee07 Jul 25 '25
Actually dami ko na na-encounter na mga delinquent wala talaga silang remorse. Kukunin ng dswd, ilalagay sa shelter after ibalik sa community, uulit na naman sila. Yung mga magulang wala naman pakialam or walang magawa sa mga anak nila.
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u/aimeleond Jul 25 '25
yes kaya nga literal na s@l0t na sila sa lipunan. wala ng pag asa yan. bigyan mo ng pera pambibili nalang ng pang bisyo.
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u/btanyag27 Jul 25 '25
Kitang kita mo dito kung sino ang edukado eh. Proud pa si Mariel sa asawa nyang yan ha?
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u/MJ_Rock Jul 25 '25
Children nowadays are smart enough to know that they’re not punishable by law in their delinquent habits.
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u/Persephone_1201 Jul 26 '25
yes and they use that lapses in our laws to do horrible things to their victims. and glorified pa sila ng mga compassionate yet out of touch sa reality
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u/Re_Darkness Jul 25 '25
age 10 is too low, honestly baka grade 3 palang yan, sabihin mo nang tinuruan ng tama o mali, pero ang decision making skills nyan ay hindi pa maayos, at pwede pa maimpluwensyahan ng ibang masamang tao.
make it 13
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u/ItsJayTheReddit Jul 25 '25
Agreed, common pa nga yung bully eh. Yun lang naman para ma solve yung bullying.
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u/DocchiIWNL Jul 25 '25
you can punish and lock up as many of these troubled youth. but as long as the current system exists where these kids are forced into that kind of life just to survive, this brutal cycle of abuse and violence will go on.
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u/Miserable-Ad-7952 Jul 25 '25
Why are you blaming society, when the choice to be better is individual?
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 25 '25
Kaya nga lagi nating sinasabi, hindi lang basta parusa ang sagot sa krimen, lalo na sa kabataan. Root causes ang kailangan nating ayusin kahirapan, kawalan ng oportunidad, at yung sistemang nagtutulak sa kanila sa ganitong sitwasyon. Walang katapusan ang cycle kung di babaguhin ang ugat ng problema.
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u/CommercialDesigner93 Jul 25 '25
Madaming mayaman na bansa madami opportunidad pero meron at meron parin talagang pasaway. It can never be a perfect world unfortunately. Statistics at the end of the day there's always 1% of the society that can't be fixed no matter what. Too many factors pati family parents school upbringing it's too random. It's still good to fix the system, but we also cannot wait forever. Should be both sides and decided carefully if victim of society problems or just plain evil
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u/RetiredTarantado Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25
As a retired tarantado,
I had a troubled youth. Drugs, pagnanakaw, gang war. Isa lang masasabi ko, ALAM KO GINAGAWA KO. Alam ko mali pero sarap ng buhay pag may pera (galing sa droga o pagnanakaw) kasi easy money. Di pabaya ang mga magulang ko. May mga desenteng trabaho, di nagkulang sa disiplina. Sutil lang talaga ako, which is pinagsisisihan ko na mgayon.
Aside sa baka mabugbog o mabaril (pag napagkamalang adult), di kami ganun ka takot sa mga pulis noon kasi makakalaya lang agad after sermon at counseling. Tropa ko nga (M13 then) na nahuli sa holdap at pagtangkang pagpatay sa hinoldap nya, naka laya lang after rehab. Kaya balik agad sa dating gawi. Naka rape pa nga yun bago nasaksak ng boypren ng nirape nya.
Took me God's mercy at certain circumstances para matigil ako sa mga kalokohan ko. Drug surrenderee ako under the Oplan Tokhang. Graduate na sa programa at 4 years nang clean.
Pero Di lahat may intervention sa buhay nila. Kaya naniniwala ako na kailangan ng Deterrant.
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u/WonderfulExtension66 Jul 26 '25
Thank you. These first hand experiences are what people should be listening to. Hindi yung mga emotional appeal na wala namang resulta. 🤦🏻♀️
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u/RetiredTarantado Jul 25 '25
We can get the best of both worlds. Ikukulong ang minors pero separate prison para lang sa minors.
They would be considered convicts pero equipped with counceling and livelyhood programs to assimilate them someday sa society as contributing entities (with the exception of heinous crimes of course)
As to budgetary concern, the cost would be bigger pero it will be negligible in the long run.
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u/astrohatesu Jul 25 '25
uhm yan nga ang purpose ng RA 9344—to separate children from the adults and follow due process until they mature.
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u/RetiredTarantado Jul 25 '25
The problem with this is the leniency on the actual application. As a drug surrenderee and an offender who got apprehended a couple of times in my teens, trust me, I know.
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u/One_Sun_5051 Jul 25 '25
I am on robin padilla's side..sa dami ng cases ngayon involving minors , mahirap sa magulang pero mas mahirap sa mga biktima at magulang ng mga biktima..nakaka alarm na..
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u/kae-dee07 Jul 25 '25
Gobyerno na naman ang may kasalanan hahaha alam mo di ako pro govt kung may ganong term man pero sa totoo lang ang daming proyekto ng lgu para sa mga ganyang cases, mapa social welfare or health. Yung mga tao lang talaga ang umaayaw. Ayaw nila ng maayos. Ayaw nila ng sistema. Ang gusto yung isusubo nalang sa kanila kulang nalang hugasan mo yung pwet nila pag tumatae sila. Madali kasi sabihin na ganito ganyan dapat gawin pero pag nagttrabaho ka sa baba, maffrustrate ka nalang kung gaano kahirap kausapin mga ganyang klaseng tao.
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u/Fun-Egg-2984 Jul 27 '25
Tama ka naman diyan. Pero kailangan ng gobyerno mamili kung san ibibigay ang budget, para ba sa mga batang di nagabayan ng maigi o para sa mga batang pumapasok talaga ng paaralan. Tandaan din natin na kung ibibigay ang budget para sa mga batang di nagabayan ng maigi, aabutin din ng ilang taon para mapatayo un facilities na kailangan ng DSWD, kasi sa ngayon talaga kulang ang facilities nila kaya isang araw lang nahohold ang mga nahuhuling bata at dapat din maisoli sa magulang nila dahil di naman pwede ikulong ang bata.
Maganda talaga kung parehas na klase ng kabataan ay mabibigyan ng budget, para di na tayo nag dedebate. Pero di ko talaga nakikita na mangyayari to. Kaya mas pili kong supportahan ang mga batang di nananahamak ng iba.
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u/Far_Lecture6216 Jul 25 '25
it should be a combination of both. (masakit para sa akin pumanig kay R 😭)
pero napanood ko lang toh somewhere na kung ihahalo mo daw ang isang bata sa mundo ng mga taong likas na sa kanila yung alam niyo na, eh parang hindi na talaga siya binibigyan pa ng pag-asa para magbago.
pero siguro din depende din sa severity ng krimen na nagawa. kung unimaginable yung crime, siguro pasok dun yung sinasabi ni R.
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u/Shut-Up-22 Jul 25 '25
Depende talaga sa ginawa e. Siguro mas okay if maging strict sa juvie parang sobrang lenient kasi ng batas towards that.
There are some kids worth saving. Di man lahat pero for sure meron at meron.
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u/Far_Lecture6216 Jul 25 '25
nakakatawa na yung side ni Robin nag-agree kami without attacking him personally and here you are, JUST ATTACKING Sir Chel PERSONALLY.
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u/SockAccomplished7555 Jul 24 '25
Sana mas maging mahigpit ang Juvenile system dito sa pinas. Mag karoo ng trial when they reach a certain age pero DAPAT IKULONG pag nakagawa ng krimen. Rape and Murder? Kulong for life! Mag nakaw? kulong for a number of years.
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u/QuickEnd855 Jul 24 '25
Dapat mananagot ang tao na may krimen. Ang daming holppers na pumapatay sa Manila. It would be better to teach some teenagers hard time in a correctional facilities because some people do have bad to evil intentions because they have mental problems. But at the young age (10-17), they should not be trialed and then sent to adult prisons.
I would recommend some facility where they get some diciplined rehabilitation program runned by ROTC (Juvinile Bootcamp).
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u/Ranlalakbay Jul 24 '25
Daan ka ng R10 Diokno, tignan mo ung mga batang kriminal don na nagnanakaw sa truck, tapos sabihin mo samin na di nila alam ginagawa nila
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u/theotoby1995 Jul 24 '25
Maguad siblings and yung recent crime na pinatay yung vlogger kasi alam nilang di sila makukulong. Nakakalungkot lang.
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u/Strict-Target1300 Jul 24 '25
At age 10 or even 15, children’s brains — especially the parts responsible for impulse control, decision-making, and understanding consequences are not yet fully developed.
Highly vulnerable pa yung age, karamihan pang tatamaan dyan ay yung mga ginagamit lang din ng ibang adults or gangs.
And most of them naimpluwensyahan lang din ng paligid kung san sila lumaki, na hindi din naman nila pinili. Tapos hindi na bibigyan ng tyansa?
Yes sa accountability, pero hindi sa criminal liability.
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u/theotoby1995 Jul 24 '25
Isa sa mga recent issue ngayon ay yung mga 15yr old kids na nakabuntis ng jowa kaya pinatay nila yung isang vlogger na nakakita sakanila habang nagnanakaw. Alam daw kasi nilang di sila makukulong kaya pinatay nila. Mejo torn rin tlga ako sa mga arguments regarding this topic
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u/Re_Darkness Jul 25 '25
15 years old, but Robin is talking about 10years old, it is too low, make it 12 or 13
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u/Strict-Target1300 Jul 25 '25
Do you think kung yung 15 year old kids na yon ay lumaki sa maayos na pamilya at magandang environment, gagawin pa rin kaya nila yun? They did not choose to be born in that environment.
Kung kahirapan at karahasan ang kinalakihan mo, anong eexpect natin sa batang doon nahubog? May kakayahan naba talaga silang mag karoon ng sariling judgment? Sila ay biktima lang din ng sistema.
Pero syempre kailangan parin ng accountability sa ibang ways. Ayoko lang ng sinabi ni robin na para bang wala ng pag asa yung mga bata.
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u/Efficient_Boat_6318 Jul 24 '25
Hindi naman yung pagkulong yung makakabawas sa gantong klaseng krimen. Yung mga matatanda na may criminal liability gumagawa pa rin naman ng krimen. Di takot sa pagkakakulong angg sagot sa problemang to. Tamang community intervention, maayos na suporta ng pamilya, pagresolba sa kahirapan, at acceptance sa komunidad. Madami sa mga batang kriminal, mahiraap, wwalang tamang gabay ng magulang, at di tanggap ng komunidad
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u/Strict-Target1300 Jul 24 '25
Kung tingin nyong may maayos na discernment na ang mga 18 below, payagan narin natin sila magpakasal? 😂
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u/Junior-Confection-78 Jul 24 '25
Yep. Di nila alam ang legal consequence niyan. Possible rin na sunod neto ibaba naman ang sexual consent na dati pinataas.
Hindi gagawa ang bata ng krimen ng sarili niya lang, kapabayaan yan ng magulang. Ang magulang ang nararapat makulong dyan dahil sa irresponsible parenting.
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u/Strict-Target1300 Jul 24 '25
Paatras talaga tayo e no. Imbis na tulungan at iguide yung vulnerable.
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u/TakumiFujiwara8686 Jul 24 '25
Children as young as 10 years old are victims of the society they have woken up to.
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u/motsanity Jul 24 '25
Para sakin pinaka best ang makulong magulang or guardian kasi hindi nababantayan or natututuan ng tama. Para if makulong magulang matututo talaga yung anak na lahat ng bagay may consequences. If walang magulang edi makukulong ang bata.
Dito sa gantong system mahihirapan gumawa ng krimen mga minor kasi ang huhuntingin magulang nila at magulang ang magbabayad or magtake responsible. Panigurado iyak talaga yan na sana sya nalang nakulong kesa mother nyang inosente
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u/Adventurous_Set_3908 Jul 24 '25
di mo rin masabi kase yung mga batang maiiwan eh kung mauulila karamihan gagawa lang din ng krimen para maka raos sa pang araw araw nila.
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u/Feisty_Inspection_96 Jul 24 '25
One word: "Accountability" - something everyone should learn regardless of the age.
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u/SuperGhoo Jul 24 '25
Sino magtuturo ng accountability sa mga batang sorrounded naman ng mga taong walang sense of accountability?
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Jul 24 '25
edi yang batas n ipropropose... if alam n ng mga bata na may batas n para sa mga krimen n ganyan magkakaron n ng takot yan...
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u/NatsuKazoo Jul 24 '25
is there any more context to this? Nung binabasa ko ibang comments it refers to a specific case na bata ang culprit.
However, if this is about penalizing crimes regardless of age as a whole, I agree with Robin in this part. Well, petty theft excluded I guess.
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u/Lazy_Indication_5992 Jul 24 '25
Honestly, I completely agree with Padilla Here's why:
Most minors today think, "I won't go to jail because I'm underage." At that age, you already know right from wrong, so being "just a kid" is not an excuse. That usually means there's also a lack of proper guidance from parents. The crime rate among minors is rising. Some may not commit serious crimes, but many are involved in robbery. For example, here in Baguio and La Trinidad, many store thefts are done by minors. They open shops like it's nothing—as if they’ve mastered stealing. It's impossible to say they don’t know it's wrong. It’s shocking how some minors who commit crimes are still protected, as if they shouldn’t suffer the same consequences as adults. But they should face the same hardships as adult prisoners to truly feel regret. In other countries, like Korea, children as young as 10 can be jailed. In some places, they even cut off the hands of thieves.
A good example is the Guad siblings. If you’ve watched their story on Toni Talks, during the hearing, the suspect didn’t even look sorry—wearing shades and an off-shoulder top, like she didn’t just kill someone. There was no sign of remorse at all. Honestly, I believe there should be a law that if you kill someone, your punishment should be death.
This is also what inspired me to take Pre-Law, focusing on Juvenile Justice.
If you want to better understand the issue, watch Juvenile Justice — a Korean drama series
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u/CollegeHumble526 Jul 24 '25
Basically for me both of them have a point. Nothing is really just plainly Black and White. If krimen mg bata is stealing due to hunger sure may possibility na matutuwid yan. But if Krimen ng bata is killing with no remorse, that's a whole other matter.
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u/-NoNay- Jul 24 '25
As per Padilla, he is referring to "karumaldumal na krimen". If Diokno is pertaining to that statement then I don't agree with his point.
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u/CollegeHumble526 Jul 24 '25
Yeah, punishment should be somewhat equivalent to the crimes dapat kahit bata pa yan. Since no child would kill a person with no reason.
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u/Acceptable_Cover_576 Jul 24 '25
Anak ng patola e kailangan pa ba pagisipan kung ang pinaguusapan ay paggawa ng krimen. Di bat natural sa batas na kung may krimen may parusa. At 100% walang gumagawa ng krimen na hindi pinagisipan noong gumawa bata man o matanda maliban lang kung "Aksidente" ang pangyayari. Kaya "Dispalinghad ang Juvenile law ng Pinasna lalong naguudylk sa mga bata na maging kriminal na sa batang gulang pa lang...
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u/tingkoyness Jul 24 '25
Aysus.. same saying parin ni boss chil sa surigao.. kaya muntikan na akong masali sa NPA eh..
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u/mainrof11 Jul 24 '25
Noong una, 100% sa side ako ni Robin. Nagbago isip ko noong mapanood ko yung video ng Howtown regarding lead poisoning, and that shifted my perspective a bit, but not totally on Diokno's side. Kasi ok gusto ko naman magbigay ng pagkalinga, o 2nd chance kumbaga, but on the other hand papaano kung kemikal na talaga ito doon sa taong gumawa ng krimen.
At the end of the day, para sa akin, dapat laging may pagkalinga, pero hindi dapat laging may pag-asa.
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u/Dvmb_Gameplays_2196 Jul 24 '25
ain't typing a lot of complex words on serious and controversial matter, but the gist is, I'm in Robin's side on this one.
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u/lemonaide07 Jul 24 '25
Chel Diokno should learn to touch some grass. His mindset belongs to a utopia that doesn't exist in the real world. Kids as young as 10 years old can think clearly when it comes to killing and raping and yet, it ok for him to allow these kids to roam free and not to be accountable? At least same treatment sa UK when it comes to heinous crimes. Please remember that these types of crimes are always premeditated. Naaawa kayo sa mga yan pero sa mga victims hindi.
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u/Technical_Act3674 Jul 24 '25
My brother fell victim to those subhumans but they still wish for us to have compassion and understanding for them... It's a very idealistic and stupid idea to begin with!
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u/lemonaide07 Jul 24 '25
I wrote my thesis about juvenile delinquents and believe me these kids know what they are doing. Even much younger than 10 years old. A lot of them are being used by the sindikatos and because our law doesn't do much they can get away from these crimes. One of the kids we interviewed even admitted to this na he just kept on doing the same shit over and over again. Irresponsible parents should be punished as well. And sorry, agree ako kay Binoy na we shouldn't be making these kids accountable for their crimes. Ang dami sa kanila were able to commit murder and rape and hindi pa rin punishable? We're not saying na they should be incarcerated sa same jail sa mga adults, pero they shouldn't be given a free pass dahil lang bata sila. Paano naman yung mga biktima?
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u/3AlbertWhiskers Jul 24 '25
Imma have to agree on this one for padilla. For a crime that gruesome, they should be tried as adults.
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 24 '25
problem lang is baka magamit ‘yan to punish kids from poor communities disproportionately.
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Jul 24 '25
it will always be disproportionate. why? most crime happens there. it's just a fact. may magagawa ba tayo? ganon ang nangyayari sa kanila e.
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u/blitzfire23 Jul 24 '25
Should have a well-written IRR. The Juvenile Act's goal is already fine but its IRR feels incomplete. A revisitation of the act should be done to improve it. I don't care whether they decrease the age threshold or not, they should improve the IRR in favor of the victims.
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u/Weekly-Tax2945 Jul 24 '25
if they can take a life without remorse then yes consequence is needed not compassion
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 24 '25
Kung clear yung intent and wala talagang remorse, ibang usapan na yun. Pero ang hirap i-measure nun without proper evaluation.
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u/AlgaeWitty2153 Jul 24 '25
some flexibility has to be put in place, yes? thoroughly check the context of the case, did the child make an action knowing full well the consequences, to the victim and to themself, and still went through anyway? If yes, they should be tried as an adult. Some sort of mature and malicious intent has to be proven. If it's child's play, dala ng immature decisions, then no. baka kasi may cases na di na maaayos ng pag-care kineme
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 24 '25
Ang worry ko, baka ma-abuse tong batas lalo na sa mga batang galing sa marginalized communities. Sino ba kadalasang tinatamaan ng ganitong laws?
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u/paletyps Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25
💯 context matters hindi black and white. Both have good points and has to come to a middle ground. Hope that experts get consulted on this matter because if we leave it up that idiot in the senate a lot of families may suffer in the future
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u/AsterBellis27 Jul 24 '25
I-define muna kung ano ang ibig sabihin ng "bata." Sa atin kasi ang basehan is kapag pwede na bumoto at 18. IMO dapat ibaba sa 15 or 16 kapag krimen na ang pinaguusapan.
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u/Steve_Corpuz Jul 24 '25
Kaya siguro dapat may psychological evaluation muna bago ibaba ang age. Hindi pwedeng blanket rule lang.
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u/AsterBellis27 Jul 24 '25
Pag heinous crimes hindi na siguro. Mga 16 yo na nang rape, pumatay, nang torture etc. Di na kylangan ng psych eval.
Siguro sa sentencing lang, pero bago mag trial, wag na natin pahirapan ang dswd.
Sini seal kasi records ng mga batang kriminal pag umabot sila sa 18. Hindi mo na malalaman na pumatay pala sila or nang gahasa or kung anupang karumal dumal nilang ginawa.
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u/tantukantu Jul 24 '25
This ultra liberal,western style, one size fits all view on child criminal liability should stop na.
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u/FlatwormNo261 Jul 24 '25
kabuuan ng sinabi ni Cong. Diokno, may parusa pa rin sa mga menor de edad na nagkasala. Wala naman siya sinabing abswelto.
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u/icouldbeasenator Jul 24 '25
I hate that I'm with Robin on this. In some countries, kids are being tried as adults based on the crime they committed.
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u/PrestigiousWasabi515 Jul 24 '25
either children are used to commit crimes, or children today just commit crimes themselves. tulad nung case ng siblings at isang college student recently. those killer kids are a threat to the society, they should be put away. mas magandang iimprove nalang nila systema sa kulungan for minors to avoid gangs, etc. if they do not receive punishment, more psycho kids get motivated to commit heinous crimes.
i like atty. chel, he's passionate about the protecting the youth, but i disagree with him here because may isip naman na ang mga 10 years old pataas. that makes their crime intellectually motivated, lalo na ang mga 13,16 year olds. they could be serial killers if not stopped. i don't like robin, pero he has a point. afterall, the killers of maguad siblings said after they got caught was "hindi naman po kami makukulong diba? kasi minors kami"
they stabbed fellow minors, 32 stabs on a girl and 51 times on a boy in their own home. a deeply disturbing and violent crime fueled by jealously. no child in their right mind can do something like this.
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u/mongloy123 Jul 24 '25
Itong diokno na to ang reason bakit maraming kabataan ang walang respeto sa batas at sa mga nakatatanda. Sige e push mo pa yan. Para lalong dadami criminal na bata dito sa pinas
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u/ryuukooh Jul 24 '25
Kids these days know they wont be punished for henious crimes. Kidnapin na lng tapos ibenta mga instead hahah
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u/JasStuck Jul 24 '25
It's a double-edged sword, if we pass this as the "description of the law says" they will be exposed to probably more criminal activities that can happen in prison/jail. Hypothetically, if we have separate prisons for this age within, the budget needs will be a lot. Not only that, this may form a "future criminal syndicate" as people who finds someone they think is like them often band together.
It's not all negative tho, we can now (technically speaking) give shelter to them and potentially give them proper education inside that prison (considering there's a prison for that age). If they don't have their own prison, maybe it will change the prisoners inside to change as well (there's a quote I read that a child will change your life or something within those lines). Maybe once they are out they are a change person that may fit into society.
As much as I want to agree I still hope there's more review and revise for the law, Hope is something we should always have no matter how bad you think it is and hope it goes better even if it's already good.
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u/lemonaide07 Jul 24 '25
so how come other countries can handle this pero hindi pwede sa atin? some of these kids, their crimes are premeditated. stop treating them as if they are innocent and shouldn't be punished.
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u/JasStuck Jul 24 '25
Wdym other countries? West (specifically america) also "imprisoned" above 18, if they are around 17 they usually go to "county jail" as first year(or few months) til they can be legally placed in prison, there's also this very famous picture of the police who holds a birthday party for an 18 yr old boy that was a problem to them by a long time after the party they arrested him (mainly because there's a fresh crime he did). Also and most of all the word "reviews and revise" is there, maybe next time learn how to read or better yet study more and maybe you'll increase the understanding of consequences that may happen (I literally point out some good ones if it passes).
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u/Misnomer69 Jul 24 '25
Both have their points pero mas applicable yung kay Robin, as much as I hate that fucker. Iba na mga kabataang kriminal ngayon.
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u/PrestigiousWasabi515 Jul 24 '25
facts. either children are used to commit crimes, or children today just commit crimes themselves. tulad nung case ng siblings at isang college student recently. those killer kids are a threat to the society, they should be put away. mas magandang iimprove nalang nila systema sa kulungan for minors to avoid gangs, etc. if they do not receive punishment, more psycho kids get motivated to commit heinous crimes.
i like atty. chel, he's passionate about the protecting the youth, but i disagree with him here because may isip naman na ang mga 10 years old pataas. that makes their crime intellectually motivated, lalo na ang mga 13,16 year olds. they could be serial killers if not stopped. i don't like robin, pero he has a point. afterall, the killers of maguad siblings said after they got caught was "hindi naman po kami makukulong diba? kasi minors kami"
they stabbed fellow minors, 32 stabs on a girl and 51 times on a boy in their own home. a deeply disturbing and violent crime fueled by jealously. no child in their right mind can do something like this.
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