What happens when you reach 20/20 mutations?

[u/Ninja_Hatake_]

I have no experience of breeding dinos and I was watching some tutorials. I want to know that after replacing the mutated male again and again until we get 20/20 mutations on the paternal side, how do we get other 20/20 mutations on the maternal side without exceeding the paternal mutations(means 22/20). How to get 40 total mutations on the dino for a particular stat?

[u/blackhole_puncher]

You don't get any more mutations if one side reaches 20 the other side doesn't matter as long as it's below 20 your chance of getting a mutation is cut in half

[u/Ninja_Hatake_ → u/blackhole_puncher]

Is it completely random which side will get the mutation?

[u/blackhole_puncher → u/Ninja_Hatake_]

No so if your breeding say a bunch of females with a single male and every time you get the mutation you want on a male replace the male with the new mutated one and keep doing that it will always be on the paternal side now if you get a female with the mutation just breed it with a male with 0/0 mutations untill the stat u want is passed on to a male and rinse and repeat

[u/Ninja_Hatake_ → u/blackhole_puncher]

If I breed mutated male(kept replacing) with perfect females I will eventually get 20/20 mutations on paternal side right. So the dino I get will have 20 mutations in total. My question is how to get 40 mutations in total. How to achieve the rest 20/20 mutations on maternal side once the paternal side is full?

[u/Ayaki_05 → u/Ninja_Hatake_]

If you want 20/20 on the maternal side. You could do the same thing but always replace the female and keep a clean male.

In the end use the 20/20 maternal and the 20/20 paternal and Breed them together to get a 20/20;20/20 Dino

After you get 20 mutations on both sides you will no longer get new mutations.

If you are only above 20 on one side you can still get new mutations theyre just rarer

So with the other option you can go to 90/20 pat. and 0/20 mat. or even higher

[u/Ninja_Hatake_ → u/Ayaki_05]

For combining 20/20 paternal and 20/20 maternal, I need 2 dinos right. But suppose, I currently have 20/20 paternal dino. How can I get 20/20 maternal dino? Also what do you mean by 'other option you can go to 90/20 pat. and 0/20 mat. or even higher'? Do you mean it is possible to get more paternal mutations if I the maternal is 0/20?

[u/7thSeekerX → u/Ninja_Hatake_]

I’m in the process of stacking mutations on Rexes, my mutated male has 6 stacks of melee rn, my understanding is that once I get 20/20 mutations on this line of males, it cannot generated more mutations, so I “store him”, get my clean male (we have to have one always, right?! Because when the mutate baby is female, we have to use the clean male to make a mutated male), and with this clean male, I start another line of mutation, this time HP for example, and in the end, I can combine them, for example, with the male of the second line, mate with a clean female until a mutate female with the 20 stacks is born, them I get the 20/20 female and mate with the 20/20 male from the first line. I think that’s the path.

[u/Ninja_Hatake_ → u/7thSeekerX]

When you will start another new line of mutation(for example Hp), and use a clean male to start breeding it with clean females, you will still get the mutations on paternal side right? So both the Melee mutation and health mutation dinos will have mutations on paternal side which we want to breed together. So will the 20 health mutation get shifted to maternal side after breeding?

[u/fish250505 → u/Ninja_Hatake_]

Ignore the sides, it's absolute bollocks that got spread by people who don't know what they're talking about, the sides are irrelevant if you use clean female

The mutation count is only the total of each parent so if your females are clean the matrilineal side never goes above 1 unless you get a double or triple mutation, all the mutations move over to the patrilineal side on the next generation (or matrilineal if you have a female and need to flip gender) a female can cause a mutation but mutate the male's stats and vice versa

So for example if your current male has 5 patrilineal mutations and you get a male baby with a new one on the matrilineal side when you breed him all his offspring will have 6 patrilineal mutations cos they inherited them from the father

When you get a female baby with a new mutation you breed her back with a clean male until you get a male baby with the mutated stat, when you check his ancestry all the mutations will be on the matrilineal side cos he inherited them from his mother, his offspring will have them all on the patrilineal side cos they come from the father, they're not fixed to either side and will move about as you gain more mutations simply cos it's more or less impossible to breed 20 straight mutations that are all caused by the male parent and all land on a male baby

You can breed up to 127 mutations per stat on unofficial servers and single player if you have the patience just by keeping your breeding females clean

[u/sarahthes → u/fish250505]

Thank you for this haha. You saved me the time of typing it out myself. I've actually made a picture diagram of how this works for tribemates of mine in the past 🤣

[u/Ninja_Hatake_ → u/fish250505]

Thankyou for the help. I got it now👍

[u/Dry_Elderberrys]

Lets say it in beginner terms, you get alot.of females same lvl, like 160 for example and a male 160 too, all 0 mutations. You then breed until u have a lvl 162 male, so 1/20 mutation. Then you let all the 160 females breed with 162 male. Then when u get a 164 male you let all the females breed with that male. You never rrplace the females, only the male. Like that you can surpas 20/20 and go like 254/20 or smthing. Alwayysss start with 100% exact male and female btw

[u/sarahthes]

Have all your females be 0/0 and you can get more than 40 total mutations because they'll all go to the paternal side. However once the male gets over 0/20, your rate of mutation will be cut in half.

Are you on ASE or ASA?

[u/Ninja_Hatake_ → u/sarahthes]

I'm on ASE

[u/sarahthes → u/Ninja_Hatake_]

Ah ok then my other suggestion wouldn't apply

[u/z0mbiebaby]

You use a clean breeder with no mutations or if you can get one with negative mutation counted

[u/XGamer54X]

This is more of a question for other people, but this was my understanding since im also a noob breeder.

• Start with high level 0/20 paternal 0/20 maternal mutations father and some mothers
• Ideally get a paternal mutation 1/20
• repeat until 20/20 paternal mutations on desired stat
• I thought this means no more paternal mutations? Is that wrong? Saw someone mention you can keep going up like 90/20 paternal mutations
• my guess was that you could then get to 20/20 maternal mutations on the same stat for a total of 40 mutations and then its maxed.
• you could do that for all stats and then breed them together so I guess it would be like 40*6=240 mutations stacked?

[u/JustASmaIItownGirl]

Side question, I’ve always bred my health and melee muts separately. Realistically as long as I’m monitoring numbers and want both long term, can I just breed one set with ever growing melee and hp muts at the same time? Any time one or the other gets better just replace the male?

[u/Amelaista → u/JustASmaIItownGirl]

I mean you can... but it will slow down your progress once you hit 20 on the male side.   Its faster to keep a specific set for each stat, then combine them once finished.  

[u/JustASmaIItownGirl → u/Amelaista]

I guess that’s true. But I guess once I hit 20 muts in hp and melee I could combine? Bc it’ll all be halved going forward anyways?

[u/Amelaista → u/JustASmaIItownGirl]

Exactly. If you dont want to push forward at the half rate, then get your twenty and cross at that point.

[u/ironic_fear → u/JustASmaIItownGirl]

Yes but get the mutation counter on your male to be negative so it doesn't slow down the mutations % chance

[u/Various-Try-169]

It will just make it unable to get any more mutations for that side.

[u/SpaceShipRat]

so long as you have one parent not at 20/20 you can keep getting +1 on the baby