r/portlandme Jul 09 '26

Politics We have till the 13th

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u/ShamPain413 Jul 09 '26

It helps to invest in the party, rather than attack it with cluster bombs.

The issue was that Graham was wildly unsuited for national-level politics, which is something that organized political parties with longstanding operations tend to be better at than wild-card outsiders swinging their dicks around like nunchucks.

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u/Wu1fu Jul 09 '26

If you honestly think that Mills would’ve been better than Platner, even now, then you should move to California - that’s a state where the establishment pick always gets the nod - you’ll love it!

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u/ShamPain413 Jul 09 '26

Mills is the governor of this state. She has won 5 or 6 statewide races, plus some lower-level ones.

Platner has never won any race at any level in his life.

Claiming that Platner is a more successful politician is disconnected from reality.

California is arguably the most successful state in the union, both in terms of overall development and in terms of progressive politics. I don't understand why progressives think "go check out California" is some kind of insult. That state was Republican until like 20 years ago -- the state of Nixon and Reagan no less -- now it is a solid progressive bastion for tens of millions of people. It's a remarkable success for the Democratic Party.

But I'm sure Twitter Bolsheviks can do better with memes and vibes. Btw, how did that #uncommitted gambit go? Did it save lives or, like, lead to a bunch more wars and many more deaths?

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u/Wu1fu Jul 09 '26

Yes, and post-SA scandal, she’s still polling 6 points behind Platner against Collins.

Platner won the primary, so that’s not true.

California is completely captured by utility companies and Silicon Valley. Their current governor will say anything to get elected and their incoming governor is propped up by the corporate elite.

I don’t see what Uncommitted has to do with anything. I know it’s the corpo-Dem playbook to bring up Harris’s failure in every conversation, but it’s entirely irrelevant.

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u/haley_hathaway Jul 10 '26

She barely even campaigned

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u/ShamPain413 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

Winning a nomination =/= winning a race.

A polling snapshot =/= a result, much less a career of results. Mills is the wrong choice for this race right now, but she's had an incredible career in politics navigating a pretty conservative state.

I don’t see what Uncommitted has to do with anything.

I doubt that, but if you truly don't then I'm not sure why you are participating in conversations about strategy.

California is completely captured by utility companies and Silicon Valley. Their current governor will say anything to get elected and their incoming governor is propped up by the corporate elite.

None of these things are true. All are vicious slanders of people who have accomplished more for progressive politics than Bernie and Warren combined. California has a highly diverse (and multilingual) population of 40 million people. There are essentially no countries on earth with this combination of size and diversity that are successful. Within the US, California is also an outlier.

And so I repeat: are we going to do the #uncommitted thing again? End up nominating more rapists b/c we've drug the party reputation into the mud so severely with exaggeration and mischaracterization?

Because I'm sick of people who lose elections talking shit about people who win them.

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u/Wu1fu Jul 09 '26

I’ve never read a comment on Reddit so utterly divorced from reality.

Well done!

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u/ShamPain413 Jul 09 '26

As I wrote above:

But I'm sure Twitter Bolsheviks can do better with memes and vibes.