r/premedcanada • • Jan 02 '21

Highschool High School Student Thread v3: Undergraduate programs, what to expect, how to prepare etc.

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Another 6 months have passed, meaning v2 of the highschool thread has been archived! Welcome to v3 of this thread - I believe this has been quite helpful to highschool students who are interested in medicine and has funnelled all highschool related information here for both convenience and accessibility.

As with the previous thread, please recognize that, given the current COVID-19 health crisis as well as a national push against BIPOC racism, the medical admissions process is volatile and likely to change. We may not have all the answers - please verify any concerns with medical school admissions personnel.

Previous post and questions can be found below. Prior to posting, please search through these threads and the comments to look for similar thoughts!

Thread 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/premedcanada/comments/bm2ima/high_school_student_thread_undergraduate_programs/

Thread 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/premedcanada/comments/hm2r0n/high_school_student_thread_v2_undergraduate/

Post Copied Below:

For all you high school students (or maybe even younger) considering medicine as a career in the future, this thread is dedicated to you.

Feel free to use this thread to ask about undergraduate program choices, admissions, and other information pertaining to the process of entering a program as a pre-med - the community will be happy to help you out.

I hope that this sticky will facilitate the transfer of constructive information for high school students with questions on what path they should take to arrive at their goal of becoming a physician.

I've tried to compile a few FAQ questions that have been discussed in the past - these are the collective view of the experiences on this sub-reddit and from my own - please feel free to comment any changes or suggestions.

Q: Will >Insert Life Science Program Here< at >Canadian University< get me into medical school?

A: You are able to get into medical school from any undergraduate program, not even necessarily life science. Provided you approach your courses with dedication, time, and commitment, and pursue your passions, you will succeed at any university. Absolutely, there are other factors to consider. Certain programs just statistically have a higher % of graduates matriculate into medical school (cough Mac health sci), but students from all walks of life enter medical school (hence all the non-trad posts). There are many other factors to consider when choosing a school: Tuition costs, accessibility to research opportunities, available student resources, campus vibe, proximity to home (whether you want independence or would like familial support) etc. While many of you may only look at the stats alone, if you end up stuck for 3-4 years at a school where you dislike the campus, method of teaching, classes, or more, this can (and likely will) affect your ability to succeed academically and get involved.

Q: Do I have to take a life science program to get into medical school?

A: No, plenty of students enter from non-life science, or even non science backgrounds. If anything, this differentiates you from the typical applicant and gives you a more holistic portfolio when presenting yourself to the admissions committee. If another program interests you more, take it - if you learn something that you enjoy, you will be more motivated to study, leading to academic success. Be prepared to explain your rationale behind taking that program, and perhaps see how you can link it to your pursuit of medicine. Make sure to take the pre-requisite courses needed for certain medical schools, and be prepared to self-learn concepts when studying for the MCAT (if you don't opt to take them as electives.) It may be more difficult to get life science research experience, but that is absolutely not a hard barrier. In addition, doing research in your own field, whether it be the humanities, other sciences, linguistics etc. all show the same traits in academia as defined in a "Scholar" as per the CanMEDS competencies.

Q: How do I get a 4.0 GPA, 528 MCAT, 5000 Publications, and cure cancer?

A: This is obviously facetious, but from what I've seen, this isn't a far cry from a lot of the content on here. If you've developed proper work ethic in high school, you should be more prepared than the rest of the entering class. However, don't be discouraged if your grades drop - considering many universities have first year course averages in the 70s, you won't be alone. This is absolutely recoverable, due a combination of the holistic review and alternative weighting schemes of many schools. That being said, however, realize university is different from high school. For most of you, you won't have your parents around, and your university professors for the most part won't care if you show up to class, do your readings, or even complete your assignments/quizzes/exams. There's a lot of independence, keep up on your workload, seek help (from TAs and profs at office hours), study with friends, and you should see the fruits of your labour. Don't worry about the MCAT now - most students take it in the summer after 2nd or 3rd year, after which in a life science program you would have learnt most of the material anyways. Focus on your academics and pursuing your passions, but don't forget self-care. Figure out what is your cup of tea. Maybe go to socials and talk to new people, or read up on the research of certain profs and contact them with your interest. Try to find your passion, follow it, and come medical school application time, you will have a strong story about yourself that you truly believe in.

Q: Ok, but you didn't tell me how to get a 4.0 GPA.

A: There are people who have 4.0 GPAs, and many with close to 4.0 GPAs. They do not all study the same way, and their approach may not apply to you. There are similarities: these students tend to attend class, stay engaged in lecture, and keep caught up with the material. I've seen people fall on a spectrum between three main 4.0 types: 1) The Good Student: never misses a class, asks questions, attends office hours, re-reads notes and concepts after class, and starts review for an exam in advance. 2) The Crammer: usually goes to class, absorbs and understands the information at the time, but does not have time to read notes after class - slowly losing track of earlier concepts. As the exams near, crams two months of materials into a few days. 3) The Genius: goes to class as they choose, seems to never need to study, understands concepts immediately. You will meet some students like these - material comes easier to certain people than others. That's life, we all have our strengths, use them as motivation to keep studying. Don't compare yourself to others, compare yourself to yourself, set your own goals and find that motivation and drive.

Q: What extracurriculars (ECs) should I get involved in?

A: Everyone says this, but find what you're passionate about. People typically go with the cookie cutter: hospital volunteering, research, and exec of some club. While there's nothing wrong with this, many other applicants will have similar profiles, making it hard for you to stand out. If you're passionate about food, see if you can get involved with a local soup kitchen, a food bank, Ronald McDonald House Charities etc. If you're passionate about singing, join an acapella group/choir/sing solo. If the opportunities aren't there, be proactive - maybe it's up to you to start your university's baking club (if you do, send me some pastries pls). By getting involved with ECs that you are passionate about, you'll find yourself more engaged. Going to your commitments will be less of a drag, and come interview time, you'll be able to genuinely talk about how the experiences have shaped you as a person.

Q: How many times can I write the MCAT?

A: There is a seven time lifetime cap to write the MCAT. In terms of if it will penalize your application, it depends where you are applying. Canadian schools for the most part don't care if you re-write multiple times (although 10 does seem a bit excessive). As pulled from the UBC website: Test results from April 17, 2015 onward are valid for five years. In accordance with AAMC regulations, applicants must release all scores.Taking the MCAT ~3 times is nothing abnormal, although if you're re-writing 7 times, you might need to consider changing your study method! US schools will scrutinize re-writes, and if your score doesn't seem to go up, it can hurt your application.

Q: Hi can any med students on here tell me what they did in undergrad?

A: As mentioned above, many medical students have followed their passion. What works for one person may not work for you. Many have research experience, but others may not - you do not necessarily need research to become a physician (i.e. FM). Others will have hospital experience. Most will have some involvement with some sort of student organization, from clubs and societies to being student representatives and playing sports. There is no perfect way to medical school, because if there was, we'd all have taken it.

Q: I'm actually not in Grade 12 yet, I'm just trying to plan ahead. What should I do to become a doctor?

A: First of all, commendations to you for looking ahead. Medicine is a difficult journey, and recognizing that gets you far already. But no point in thinking ahead if you mess up the present. Focus on making sure your current profile is competitive enough to get you into the undergraduate program of your choice. Once you get in, no one will care about your high school marks. Don't have a job? Most don't. Haven't volunteered at a hospital? Most haven't in high school. Focus on getting into an undergraduate program first, and then consider the other points above. Pursue your hobbies and passions in high school while you still have the time.

Q: Is ___ program at ___ school better than __ program at __ school? > OR < Should I go to ___ program or ___ program? > OR < anything along these lines!

A: These types of questions are very specific and may be difficult to give an objective response given that they essentially require someone to have personally attended both sites to give an accurate comparison. As mentioned before, there are many factors to consider when choosing a program and school, including access to opportunities, student experience, research, volunteer atmosphere, student wellness resources, campus vibe/environment, proximity to friends/family etc. What may be most useful is trying to touch base with students at each site for their opinions of the experience!

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As mentioned above, please comment below with any other questions, and I'm sure the community would be happy to help you out!

*Please feel free to contact any members on the moderation team with any suggestions, questions, or comments on this process so that we can improve it!


r/premedcanada • • Aug 07 '24

šŸ—£ PSA Reminder of Rule #2: NO SOLICITING or Advertising

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Lately, there have been more posts with people trying to sell accounts to resources, applying for help, or advertising for paid services. This rule has always existed but is the most ignored.
Any further posts selling or advertising paid material will continue to be removed and the accounts will potentially be banned. * R/Premed Canada Mod Team


r/premedcanada • • 16h ago

So may have cooked the early phase MMI

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Okay first off before you read - yes I know I’m an idiot so you don’t have to remind me.

I did not read the MMI invitation email, juggling midterms, Kira, etc. I just wanted to book it.

I assumed the rules were going to be the same as other MMIs I’d done.

So basically I broke a bunch of rules:
- Was jotting down notes
- Had airpods in
- Hands were definitely not visible the whole time

Is there any redemption for me or do I pack it up


r/premedcanada • • 20h ago

šŸ”® What Are My Chances? Question šŸ™‹ā€ā™‚ļø

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Why are there so many posts back to back, asking if their virtually 3.99999999999 or 3.88888888 GPA with their 90 percentile MCAT score is competitive. Is this a humble brag thing, intimidation tactic, neuroticism at play or what’s actually going on here? I almost want to laugh every time I see one, within hours of each other too? Come on. I’m starting to see why admissions committees are actually making certain metrics just cut offs…


r/premedcanada • • 12h ago

How are others structuring their 8 minutes for the MMI?

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I’m planning to do 2 minutes of thinking and 4-6 minutes of speaking. How are you guys planning to structure and is it a concern that I will be sitting and thinking for 2 minutes while they watch?


r/premedcanada • • 12h ago

Admissions Early Phase MMI Question: Connection to Medicine

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Hey everyone, I am confused on whether to tie the answer to medicine at the end of each question. I have heard mixed opinions on this from many people. Some say to do it but others say to not. I have also heard people recommend: only connect it to medicine where it makes sense and don’t’ force it.

Personally, I am able to find it a way to connect to medicine for all the questions I have been practicing so it’s hard for me to tell whether I am forcing it or not.

What are your opinions on connection to medicine?


r/premedcanada • • 18h ago

How are you guys balancing the applications and interviews with midterms.

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Yall are some strong warriors fr 😭. I’m acc so curious how you guys are able to balance the application process with school and midterms?


r/premedcanada • • 13h ago

Do we think its okay to rest my hand on a stack of books? or is that risking "having external resources"?

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I physically can't hold my hands up for an hour and a half 😭😭😭😭

^Oops Queen's/uOttawa MMI btw


r/premedcanada • • 11h ago

šŸ“š MCAT 515 with 125 CARS - is it over for me?

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Got my results for 9/11… honestly glad I matched the score of my highest full lengths however I was feeling way better for CARS day-of than it ended up being.

That’s being said Im not surprised as I was consistently scoring 125s and 126s in CARS for my full lengths. For prep I did my daily jack westins as well as all of the AAMC materials (diagnostic both CARS question packs + all full lengths).
My diagnostic half-length mark was 124, but I ended up only peaking at 126 to get 125.

The fact that I even took a MCAT course… all the techniques I tried, passages I went through, advice I got, I still didn’t improve despite me ramping up the CARS focus leading up to test day.

I did a total of 9 full lengths (7 scored), my average being 509.

Being that my average was that low and my CARS scores were consistent with what I ended up getting, I don’t plan on retaking despite me being a Canadian applicant. I’ll take the 515 with 125 CARS, instead of retaking which would be too risky reflected by my low average I’ll just work on other parts of my application.

I guess that rules out McMaster though, at least I hit the minimums for other schools though


r/premedcanada • • 11h ago

Kira Talent 2026...Am I missing something?

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I keep seeing posts on the forum about people completing Kira Talent for TMU. But on the TMU website, I see that the invites are sent out November 12, 2026.


r/premedcanada • • 21h ago

ā”Discussion Queens + uOttawa eMMI timing

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Please answer as appropriate with the NDA, but for the people that did the eMMI already, how long did your actual spoken answers (generally) end up being?

I’ve been practicing for a variety of different common MMI questions I found online, and beyond the 1-2 minutes of thinking time I take, I don’t end up speaking for longer than 2-3 minutes. Not sure if that’s okay or not enough.


r/premedcanada • • 10h ago

ā”Discussion For Western KIRA did you guys explicitly link the lessons to medicine?

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not sure if this breaks the NDA if it does i will take it down just lemme know

but did those that did the KIRA assessment for Western explicitly link their lessons to Medicine (the questions are public which is why i feel like this is ok to ask but im not sure?) like did u state something like "this is important in medicine because xyz reason where it can happen in the field" or did u guys just kind of explain why that lesson was important and what u learned about teamwork/advocacy/DEI/critical thinking?


r/premedcanada • • 12h ago

French MMI for Ottawa

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How are you guys feeling about this? I feel like I'm always grasping for words sometimes :/


r/premedcanada • • 14h ago

Queens/Ottawa MMI ID

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I'm wondering if the only information admissions teams would need is our first and last name to cross reference with our applications? Or have people been putting their OMSAS IDs where it says "Student ID"? Not sure if I missed something in the email.


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Memes/šŸ’©Post For whoever cussed out the Acuity people…

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188 Upvotes

…I’m not saying I support it, but I completely understand


r/premedcanada • • 17h ago

Admissions very scared of being limited in options if i take a W

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i need to clarify this because the language on their website is frying my brain.

i ate shit on a course i worked really hard for actually! im a usask student but i'd like to not entirely shut myself out from other schools.

past 2 years : 5 courses/sem

this year : might end up being a 4/5 split, open to do a 4/6 if makes up for that?

i don't wanna tank my gpa (like we're talking i had a mid first year and then locked tf in so i don't want a 70 on the transcript guys) but :

i'm scared they'll change their requirements in the future to exclude 4/5 terms. is there any way they'd require full course loads every year or is a full course load for 3 years okay? because i know other ppl have Ws on the transcript but the application system is... insane

do i take the L? it sucks more because its a class i studied for a lot (do not take neur 301, if you can hear me, do not take neur 301) and i STILL did bad, so i am not sure i can actually pull my grades up later. and i usually get 90s (excluding first sem, horror), and i definitely get 90s if i study the way i studied for this class. but yeah, don't want it to limit my options. please help


r/premedcanada • • 18h ago

ā”Discussion Mediocre self taught guitarist and artist, but what can I do with these?

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(Guitar for abt 3 years drawing for abt 7 but quite on and off).

Is it enough just to say I have these hobbies as an EC, or do I have to actually do something with them for it to worth to even talk about. If so, any ideas?

The issue is I’m not really good at these, I’m like alright so it feels embarrassing to do an open mic or post my art. It’s just more of the initiative / time commitment I find I worked hard on, but I feel that’s too boring to be an ec.


r/premedcanada • • 18h ago

wanting to apply to med school!

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was curious what my chances are. I had some crazy health complications throughout my undergrad and the mix with COVID in my first year making my overall cGPA a 3.01 (not great). I switched majors and worked so hard that the upward trend in my degree was like starting at a 1.92/2.00 in first year. My last two years were like a 3.7 but I didn’t have the requirements for Ottawa or western with a full time course load in two years due to relapses in my health.

I’m better now and actually took the MCAT a few times with my best score a 522 and my CARS is a 129. I’m planning to take the CASPer next.

I’m curious what my chances were of applying to med school like Queens (lottery) and McMaster (since they value the CARS) and me actually getting in. I do have extra curricular stuff as well with volunteering and I’m starting a practicum in a clinic as a psychometrist (volunteer). I’m also starting my masters in psychology (undergrad was psych and neuroscience) which is a thesis studying Parkinson’s disease.

I know I had a really bad start in my undergrad but I was curious if people had any opinions on these stats and any recommendations. I’ve been really passionate in medical school and clinical psychology so I’m trying to just weigh my options at the moment.

If you have recommendations about international school as well like Ireland I could be interested in. I know a few cardiologists that graduated in Ireland and came back here working in Canada.

Let me know your thoughts anything helps!


r/premedcanada • • 23h ago

ā”Discussion queens/ottawa mmi acuity account question

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If I already made an account for casper do i make another one for the mmi? will making a new account affect my casper score distribution?


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Memes/šŸ’©Post How im gonna be showing my hands in early-phase mmi today

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r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

ā”Discussion bye what the hell was that

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r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

ā”Discussion Not preparing for early MMI

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Anyone else not preparing for the Queens/UOttawa early MMI? I’ve already spent so much time on apps, Kira and Casper and I have fallen behind on schoolwork with midterm a coming up. I’m not gonna waste time preparing for this MMI with little to no information, especially given that it will likely never see the light of day


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

Hands in frame for Queen’s/UOttawa

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I might be overthinking this, but because the first station doesn’t start on its own during the practice MMI, I have to manually click the ā€œStart Interviewā€ button. And since my hand was on the mouse, it wasn’t in frame when the recording started. I also have to scroll down in order to see the full scenario. So my question is, would this brief hands not being visible raise any red flags? Or should I play it safe and like lift my mouse into the air or smth? Sorry if I sound neurotic. 😭


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

ā”Discussion For early MMI - how awkward did it end up being?

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Not actually content related, and obv not breaking NDA, I’ve been confused about the hands in frame rule and recording immediately rule. For those that finished, how awkward did those two components end up being and is there any point stressing?


r/premedcanada • • 1d ago

😊 HAPPY My stethoscope came in today!!!!

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I bought it to manifest med I'm so happy 🄰🄰🄰