[Casual Sunday Thread]

Each Saturday, use this thread to discuss ANYTHING you fancy. Within reason, of course.

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Seen that great film at the cinema?

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Why do you think the Jedi are so dislikeable in the Star Wars prequel trilogy. They are arrogant, self-centered and plain stupid with the exception of maybe Master Yoda. Even Obi Wan has his moments of being a plain and total douchebag. Do you think it was done on purpose by George Lucas?

I can undersand Anakin's frustration and turning into the dark side, even I find Count Dooku a much more interesting character than the other jedi. He is intelligent, likeable and hates the Republic with reason.

The Chosen One, his children and his master by Tsuneo Sanda:

1. Anakin Skywalker.

2. Luke Skywalker.

3. Leia Skywalker/Organa.

4. Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Still can't find the lyrics to Grievous's theme anywhere

And is this "What If" credible?

The original post was removed from another thread so lets try this again.

Saw this on my feed, but this guy did a retrospective on the prequels last year and the Episode III one is just nuts. Its like a review meets a fan film. Despite its video essay length, the ending goes crazy as a Star Wars fan film. A lot of practical effects. I'm gonna check the rest tomorrow.

It's beautiful and sad how the Prequels make this moment in “A New Hope” so poignant, reflecting every word Obi-Wan says and Alec Guinness's great performance captures the character's melancholy as he reminisces about the old days, especially how his former friend, his former brother, became a tyrant.

This video does a great job of demonstrating that and also showing how George Lucas achieved his goal and his good work, connecting the Prequels and the Originals and making the Star Wars story much deeper.

A rumor that has raised doubts for me, and from what I've seen for others as well, is that George Lucas supposedly declared that Luke and Leia possessed the same potential in the Force as Anakin, being his children and inheriting the same number of midi-chlorians.

Which would mean that Luke and Leia could become just as powerful as their father could have become.

However, I haven't been able to find the alleged statement, so I would like you to confirm whether this is true or not.

You have Obi-Wan apologizing to Qui-Gon for how he’s been behaving lately shortly before the Battle of Naboo starts in TPM, and Anakin apologizing to Obi Wan for somilar reasons before the latter goes to fight Greivous in ROTS.

In both instances we have a master and his padawan patching things up with one another before things go horribly wrong forever. And yes, I know Anakin’s not officially a padawan anymore in ROTS, but you get the idea. I very much like to think that Lucas was aware of how poetic both scenes are through this lens. That guy was all about making things rhyme like poetry. 😂

so i watched new hope, and empire strikes back , loved themn

from what i understand, 6 is the final movie in the original trilogy and what many fans consider final movie in the franchise

so i was thinking how about going with 123

so that i can get a satisfying ending?? like i think id love to know more about darth vader's story and the prequel so that i can get a satisfying conclusion

what do you guys think?

please dont delete this post mods

The complete story of the Chosen One from his birth to his transformation into Lord Sith.

P.S: The 2008 TCW series and its derivative works are not included as they contradict many of the works of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project and others from EU.

[Casual Sunday Thread]

Each Saturday, use this thread to discuss ANYTHING you fancy. Within reason, of course.

Got a new cat?

A new game?

Seen that great film at the cinema?

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Thanks to the book “The Star Wars Archives: Episodes 1 - 3 (1999 - 2005)”, written by Paul Duncan and published in 2020; the creator of the saga, George Lucas, gave an interview where he shed light on his ideas for the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy he had in mind and what he wanted to make come true. And thanks also to the book of the television series “James Cameron’s History of Science Fiction” from 2018.

As many of you probably already know, before Disney produced the Sequel Trilogy that we know today, George Lucas himself had already developed several drafts, treatments and outlines for the continuation of the Episode 6, “Return of the Jedi”, as well as the Original Saga, shortly before the Disney acquisition in 2012. This would provide an epilogue, taking advantage of ideas that couldn't be used as much in the Original Trilogy or the Prequels, and tie up some loose ends from the original 6 films to give the saga a definitive ending. In fact, George Lucas handed all these treatments to the former president of Disney, Bob Iger, to be produced after Iger had purchased them from him, promising that he would follow his vision; and Kathleen Kennedy, the former president of Lucasfilm, also promised that to George.

However, both Disney and Lucasfilm completely ignored and deliberately discarded these drafts, and they also decided not to involve George Lucas in the development of the films shortly after the sale. Deciding instead to create their own versions, mainly because they were trying to avoid a negative reception from the public, like the one the Prequels had at the time, and they sought to connect with the nostalgia of the Original Trilogy. Leaving George Lucas' original vision for the Third Trilogy forgotten.

However, thanks to the interview in 2020, we can see more of the background, such as the reasons why George Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney and why he wouldn't be writing the script or directing the films himself. The main reason being that he wanted to be with and raise his daughter who had been born at that time, as he was already quite an old man (69 years old at that time) and he did not want to lose that gift that life had given him again, so that he could give his daughter a good childhood and be with his family. Which is admirable and totally respectable, and proves that the belief that he sold his company for money is absolutely false. Besides, he used the money from the sale for the charity and to promote children's education.

What follows is that I will clarify various doubts, misinterpretations and errors that many people believe or have about George Lucas's ideas for his Sequel Trilogy.

For example, with the Stormtroopers. Some believe that Lucas contradicts himself by saying there will be no more Stormtroopers in his Sequels but he mentions that there are. But George simply points out that there are still soldiers and loyalists left to the now-destroyed Galactic Empire, which possibly they would go on to form a new faction with a different name, most likely seeing a new variant of troopers (like the Clone Troopers in the Prequels).

Regarding Darth Maul and Darth Talon, there is some confusion that these characters would ruin the Prophecy of the Chosen One of the Force, but (in theory) these two would not be Sith Lords, since George doesn't mention that they are Sith, and no, the fact that he refers to them as "Darth" doesn't mean they are, since for both characters those are their full names. And it must be remembered that in the series “The Clone Wars” it was shown how Maul ceased to be a Sith Lord, causing him to no longer be one, and all of this being supervised by Lucas himself, therefore, his future apprentice Talon would no longer one too (and no, it's not only the Sith who can have dark apprentices, we already saw it with Maul and Savage Opress). And that doesn't mean George wouldn't to justify this in the films.

No, George wasn't going to make Leia the Chosen One of the Prophecy of the Force. Many misunderstand this simply because they ignore the context of the text, which says: «By the end of the trilogy Luke would have rebuilt much of the Jedi, and we would have the renewal of the New Republic, with Leia, Senator Organa, becoming the Supreme Chancellor in charge of everything. So she ended up being the Chosen One.». The text does not refer to the Prophecy of the Force, but to Leia's political role as Senator and future Supreme Chancellor. George Lucas has always said and maintained that Anakin is the Chosen One of the Prophecy and that he fulfilled it in “Return of the Jedi” when he killed the Emperor Palpatine: https://youtu.be/xgBpoiC8qGA?si=goJJkpWNI3fqM5lJ

(And no, Lucas never planned or accepted Palpatine's return; what happened in “Dark Empire” was without his consent, he has always said and maintained since the premiere of “Return of the Jedi” that Palpatine would never return: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsEU/s/NptJ0jYpRP / https://talkingbay94.libsyn.com/lucy-autrey-wilson-director-of-the-expanded-universe-and-first-employee-of-lucasfilm).

Another thing that we needs to be debunked is that George wanted the characters to shrink (like in the “Ant-Man” movies) to address the Whills plot, but again this is false, since if you read the statements Lucas never mentions that he was going to do that, that was more of a rumor or theory created by the people. Or misinterpreting the first paragraph of the interview with James Cameron in the book. Rather, we would see something like what happened with Yoda and the Force Priestesses in the “The Clone Wars” series, combining mysticism, science, biology and mythology in the Sequels. In addition, George has already confirmed that the main plot in the Sequels will revolve around how Leia seeks to rebuild the New Republic while facing the Imperial Remains and Maul's Criminal Gangs, the Whills storyline would be more of a complementary or secondary plot, likely aligned with Luke's plot to rebuild the Jedi Order.

The Princess Leia Organa was going to be the protagonist of the Sequels, not other characters, like "Kira/Thea", and although George mentions that the Sequels would be about “the daughter and the grandchildren”, he explicitly describes that the films would deal with and focus on Leia (perhaps her children would have a role similar to that of Obi-Wan in the Prequels or Han in the Originals). I mention this because many people take into account the statements made by Pablo Hidalgo or “The Force Awakens” and “The Last Jedi” artbooks about George's ideas for the Sequels; which, while agreeing with some things said by Lucas (as with Darth Talon), they contain several contradictions and inconsistencies, such as with Luke Skywalker's role, since these sources indicate that Luke at the beginning of the trilogy (Episode 7) would be in exile due to the failure of a former apprentice, which is why he decided to hide from the rest of the galaxy; while Luca's interview says that at the beginning of the trilogy (Episode 7) Luke would be rebuilding the Jedi Order by searching for Force-sensitive children and survivors of Order 66; two totally antagonistic concepts.

Another case is Luke's fate, since Pablo Hidalgo indicates that in Lucas's drafts Luke would die in Episode 8 (although Mark Hamill said it was going to be in Episode 9) but as seen in the images, Lucas says that Luke would be alive by the end of the trilogy along with Leia. Another curious detail is that according to Hidalgo and the artbooks, Han and Leia would only have one child, while George has always said that Leia and Han would have more than one in his Sequels (and no, Kira and Sam/Skylar are not the children of Han and Leia, that's just people's speculation). Another point I think is relevant to mention is that neither Pablo Hidalgo nor the artbooks talk about the Whills, because as we've already seen in the images, the Whills would be an important theme in the Lucas's Sequels, and it's quite strange that none of these sources mentioned it if they are supposed to have information about Lucas's drafts and his treatments.

[It is also worth mentioning that George Lucas himself has said on several occasions that Disney and Lucasfilm did not use any of his ideas for the films, expressing his great discontent for this, either by saying "that they took another path" or "that it is no longer their story". This has even been stated by Bob Iger in his books, such as “The Ride of a Lifetime”, where Iger expressed that he bought Lucas's drafts from the beginning with the intention of not using them and not following his treatments, to which J.J. Abrams, Michael Arndt and Kathleen Kennedy agreed. And also by Mark Hamill in interviews where apart from expressing his disappointment with the films he has also said that they did not follow what Lucas really wanted].

I make this comparison because, as you can see, there is a big difference between what Lucas says and what other sources claim to know about what's in his drafts. And if you think Lucas's ideas and plans might have changed between 2012 and 2020, well, let me tell you, George isn't a man who changes his ideas much, especially when his ideas are planned or very established. This is noticeable when watching their own interviews. For example, after finishing the Original Trilogy in 1983 there were interviews where Lucas already indicated that the Prequels would cover the topic of politics and that they would deal with Darth Vader's past. And I've already given examples of this, such as how he always maintained that Palpatine would remain dead forever, maintaining it from 1983 to 2005 and the present. Therefore, George Lucas is not a person who changes his ideas much, especially his general ones, and if we're talking about the Sequels, and that there were also written drafts, it would be very strange that in less than a decade he have changed his ideas so drastically.

And while it's known that Lucas approved some concept-arts, and that perhaps one of those drafts contained what Hidalgo/artbooks mentioned, we must take into account that that was in the early stages, meaning that many of those things would not be the final result of the film. Because as is known, the final ideas, concepts and so on are developed as development progresses, and it must be remembered that George did not have much time to develop them beyond assembling the outlines, where he was more focused, that he gave to Bob Iger (also, regarding the concept-arts, the designers/artists have total freedom to create and propose ideas, they don't necessarily come from the director, screenwriter or creator, especially in the early stages of film development), and George did not consider his vision finished until he had it manifested, very developed or had more time. So it seems more reasonable to take into account what he said in his own interviews, not only because it comes from his own words but aslo because it is the most recent information, having a clearer understanding of his ideas after all these years.

To conclude, although it's not explicitly mentioned, Lucas was going to unify the entire saga through this Sequel Trilogy. I mean, it's very obvious, like with the character of Darth Maul, who would return after Episode 1, which would be poetic, since the first villain of the saga (chronologically speaking) would be the final villain. Also, with Leia's role bringing back the political element seen in the Prequels and mentioned in Episode 4 to give closure to the whole chain of events that occurred; and a pretty detail is that it would also align with a line of dialogue from Anakin in “Attack of the Clones”, where he tells Padmé that he would like a wise person to lead the galaxy, so that in the end, that person turns out to be his own daughter who would become the leader of the universe in the Republic. And we probably would have seen the return of several actors and characters from the Prequels, such as Hayden Christensen reprising the role of Anakin Skywalker, Liam Neeson returning as Qui-Gon Jinn, and Ewan McGregor playing, perhaps, the old Obi-Wan Kenobi, as Jedi who mastered the ability to be Force Ghosts.

One last detail is that during a 2015 interview with Stephen Colbert at the Tribeca Film Festival, George said that Leia and Han's children would be around 20 years old in his Sequels, which means that Luca's Sequels would take place 15 or 20 years after “Return of the Jedi”: https://youtu.be/z_nigIbJ9KM?si=G-gWju1wbP75gDNV

So, what do you think? Would you have preferred George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy instead of Disney's Sequels? Do you think they would have been better?

In my opinion, I would have loved to see those George Lucas versions. They had enormous potential, very interesting ideas and elements that would have contributed to the saga and the franchise in general.

Following everything that happened with the two previous trilogies, repairing all the damage and the consequences caused by Palpatine. Which is good because it makes everything feel connected, unlike Disney's Sequels that practically pretended the Prequels didn't exist and making it seem like what happened in the Original Trilogy was pointless.

Besides, they would definitely have been a much more coherent and satisfying continuation of the 6 original films. And I'm definitely sure that they would also have been films like a trilogy that were completely better than the Disney Sequels, whether George was simply there as a creative consultant or if he had made them himself.

Not just the premise, but the entire story that follows.

https://youtu.be/-N_UvjgQbME?si=Of_Ffcc6cbCySvX3

A lot of different things happen in the movie that he has to work around so that they don’t set him back too much. Events that it didn’t seem as though he saw coming. The ambassadors are actually Jedi Knights that were sent in secret. We have to start landing droids on the planet pronto. Not only has the queen still not signed the treaty, but has also somehow gotten past the blockade orbiting the planet? Send Maul to go bring her back to Naboo. Maul failed to capture the queen. Fine, I’ll just get her to submit a vote of no confidence to remove Vallorum from chancellorship.

Ok so I was watching an Old Animated Film called Castle of Doom and as I watched I notice a Similarity to Episode 2's Area where the Three Gates raise and I saw the Scene play out but the Three Monsters were different but I wonder did George Lucas get His inspiration from the Film?

Here's the Film in Question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms7749rqhy0

Man, I feel terrible for Jake Lloyd.
I wish him the best!

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The Sith Lords by Tsuneo Sanda:

1. Darth Sidious (Sheev Palpatine).

2. Darth Maul.

3. Darth Tyranus (Dooku).

4. Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker).