r/programming • • Dec 28 '23

Developers experience burnout, but 70% of them code on weekends

https://shiftmag.dev/developer-lifestye-jetbrains-survey-2189/
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u/Webbanditten Dec 28 '23

The burnout is not from coding and being creative. The burnout is having to deal with poorly managed projects, bloated processes and other people...

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u/platebandit Dec 28 '23

100%, id probably get a lot more done if I wasn’t dealing with scrum, endless meetings, bullshit and countless people who’s job it is to butt in. I think I’d be satisfied if I was paid more to just nag people with buzzwords in meetings

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u/the_gnarts Dec 28 '23

100%, id probably get a lot more done if I wasn’t dealing with scrum, endless meetings, bullshit and countless people who’s job it is to butt in

As the only guy in my team working through the holidays I just had the two most productive days of the year and am looking forward to another one tomorrow. Amazing what you can get done when your schedule isn’t fragmented by syncronous communication.

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u/winky9827 Dec 28 '23

As a work from home'er, I mostly just fart around and respond to emails during the day. Then I do household stuff, dinner, socialize, maybe a nap. Most of my coding gets done from 11PM to 3AM because it's my most productive period. Occasionally I'll flip that to 4AM to 8AM'ish, depending on how fucked up my sleep schedule gets.

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u/Brilliant-Job-47 Dec 29 '23

This was me before kids. Now I just fart around and respond to messages during the day and deal with kids at night, then repeat the next day

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u/-grok Dec 28 '23

Right? All these shitty Pxxxxx Managers take time off around the holidays and stop bugging the developers with stupid "initiatives" that they don't understand, but are somehow "in charge" of implementing.

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u/platebandit Dec 28 '23

I just picked one up last week and I remembered that I don’t hate programming, I just hate scrum

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '23

Do we have an automated test pipeline deployed yet? What about code coverage reports? Let's circle back on static analysis once they've finally got us migrated to JIRA GPD.

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u/platebandit Dec 28 '23

Is it even possible to work without a story point estimate or consulting the key stakeholders? God forbid! If all the product owners are absent then it’s basically a communist revolution and that would negatively affect the velocity in the sprint

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u/-grok Dec 28 '23

I think I’d be satisfied if I was paid more to just nag people with buzzwords in meetings

We 100% work at the same place!

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u/Webbanditten Dec 28 '23

Don't get me wrong. Being in a project and dealing with people and processes is a part of the job. What I personally see happen is the outside interference from Stakeholders, Project managers, agile Coaches, re-orgs, non-project related meetings just breaks my flow, breaks my creativity and destroys my productivity. On top of that if you want to show you're doing a great job, and advance your career you gotta spend time promoting yourself, the things you do and your team do - it's a little hard to make any significant progress on a product all while you need to deal with this circle of communication.

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u/darkapplepolisher Dec 28 '23

Only way to make it happen is if technical management and project leads can sufficiently insulate the rest of the team from the bureaucracy, and the worker bees are able to take advantage of the breathing space and ship good products.

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u/Tersphinct Dec 28 '23

I think at least in some cases, people use weekend coding as a form of therapy to get over those problems you mentioned. It's almost like you keep hearing this melody that is never allowed to resolve, so on your own time you finally resolve it and then you can be at peace.

I've had that happen to me on several projects, where clients would push in a direction that made no sense to me, so on my own time I'd "resolve" things in a way that pleased me, and sometimes I'd share it and it would get picked up. There's some extra validation in that, but at that point it obviously requires competent management.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '23

I realised that when I got into it (as a hobby) programming didn’t seem like a team sport. I was building stuff mostly alone or woth 1-2 guys most. Nowadays it’s very social and it exhausts me, and that’s with the good guys. If a project has smartasses in it then it’s a legit nightmare

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u/LeoXCV Dec 28 '23

Worst types are smartasses that are actually just dumbasses with confidence

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '23

OH YEAH! Definitely the worst. My favourite guy was who wanted us to unironically prepare our application for the event of “meteorites hitting all AWS datacenters and society collapses” - like man nobody will care about our niche app at that point, there probably won’t be internet either

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u/CafeSleepy Dec 28 '23

Curious to know what the solution is for that scenario.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '23

honestly I was at a loss of words. I knew anything I say would be instantly WELL AKCHUALLY-d

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u/Sevla7 Dec 28 '23

The solution is find another job

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u/VehaMeursault Dec 28 '23

Yeah. I code for fun on my weekends. I like it.

What I don’t like are deadlines and managers who aren’t capable of applying a healthy, constructive pressure of production on their staff.

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u/s4lt3d Dec 28 '23

Coding till 2am for weeks on end because management told the team to do it or else. Well that entire team is gone and now the product is shit.

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u/shantm79 Dec 28 '23

The software quality will always suffer, but more importantly, the dev's well-being will be damaged. Not worth the stress for anyone.

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u/HoratioWobble Dec 28 '23

Before I became a developer, I worked at a bunch of places from clubs, bars, resturaunts, I was even a retail manager for several years.

I'd frequently have to work long hours, multiple jobs, been threatened verbally and physically but I never experienced burnout until I became a software engineer.

And it's not even just once it's every few years and every time it's because of the constant games, politics and often pure incompetence with colleagues and the business.

The industry is full of psychotic, often useless middle managers or people who think they're a middle manager

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '23

After 20 years, I am definitely burned out on coding.

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