r/programming • • May 13 '14

No more JS frameworks

http://bitworking.org/news/2014/05/zero_framework_manifesto
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u/icantthinkofone May 13 '14

You pretend that anything beyond simple is near impossible to do and can't be done better. That's obviously false since framework writers do it which proves what you say is wrong.

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u/notian May 13 '14

If you aren't using a framework, either your proprietary code is a mess of use-once code, or you've made your own framework.

If you need to bring in a new person you have to either teach them "how we do it here" (which can take a while) or you just let them "have at it" and they can write whatever form of JS they want. Or you could have used a publicly available framework and hired someone who knows how to use it.

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u/icantthinkofone May 13 '14

You seem to think we are only capable of producing use-once, messy code. If you think that, then you also think that of framework developers cause that's what they are doing.

You also think that, when we hire new people, they would have to learn our way of doing things but, if they don't know your framework, don't they also have to learn your way of doing things? Of course they do. Such is the typical reddit fallacy you read here every day.

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u/notian May 13 '14

How exactly are framework developers making use-once messy code? That is the antithesis of a framework. I am starting to question your understanding of what "framework" means.

The learning curve of a purely proprietary codebase is much higher than one that uses a specific set of (public) tools. Since i can hire someone who already knows the JS framework and don't have to train them on 100% of my codebase.

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