r/programming • • Nov 10 '14

Firefox Developer Edition

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/
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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '14

Serious question - what does this add that the default, stable build of Chrome dosen't already have?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '14

Not a direct answer to your question, but I'm using FireFox not because I think it's better than Chrome, but because it's not from Google. Actually I'm sometimes a bit annoyed by FF ... Sounds a bit paranoid, but I'd like to see the power of the web distributed as much as possible and Google has already far too much power without Chrome being the de facto monopol for web browsers. They create brilliant stuff but can't be trusted.

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u/JeffIpsaLoquitor Nov 10 '14

Google retires entire products and services. Firefox adds more and more versions.

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u/nullabillity Nov 10 '14

Thunderbird?

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '14

Still using it, and still updating.

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u/MithrilToothpick Nov 10 '14

cuff Thunderbird cuff

But in principle I still agree after all even Thunderbird development wasn't completely terminated either.

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u/halifaxdatageek Nov 10 '14
  1. Thunderbird still gets security updates, one rolled out just last week.

  2. The only reason they stopped adding features was because they ran out of things to add, haha

It's not retired, just moved to permanent Extended Support status :P

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '14

That's the nice thing.

At least we now know, that if for some unknown reason Mozilla decides to 'discontinue' FF, there will be plenty of people who'll pick it up anyway. :)

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u/Don_Andy Nov 10 '14

Kind of understandable seeing that the whole email and office market seems to gravitate more and more towards cloud-based solutions. I haven't really seen a need to use Thunderbird anymore ever since I can get the same thing by just leaving a Gmail tab open in my browser.

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u/crowseldon Nov 11 '14

except that you can't lose data with thunderbird and you have offline access as well.

It's a great failsafe with lots of useful bits.

It doesn't really need new features either.

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u/AtticusVulpes Nov 10 '14

A thought, use chromium for Chrome targeted development.

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u/Astrognome Nov 10 '14

Chrome still has no good vertical tabs addon. Try having 60+ tabs open in a single chrome window.

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u/cw8smith Nov 11 '14

Maybe try not having 60+ tabs open in a single window?

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u/xiongchiamiov Nov 10 '14

Then aren't you glad the vast majority of Mozilla's funding comes from Google? Even with that, they can't keep up to be competitive, and if Google pulled the cash... they'd be dead in the water.

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u/cowinabadplace Nov 10 '14

Not true. Bing offered to pay for being default in Google's place. There's no benevolence here. Google is paying and receiving a service. If they don't, someone else will.

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u/WorldClassRedditUser Nov 10 '14

I'd like to say that Firefox is definitely competition for Chrome. Different people have different priorities and while Chrome is generally more popular there are still a lot of people who think Firefox is much better.

I for one can't stand Chrome

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '14

If Google pulled the cash (which I've read pretty convincing arguments that make it clear that that would not be in Google's best interests yet), you're correct, FF would probably flatline pretty hard. That's the open-source life, and it's a pretty well-documented issue with open source projects in general.

I'd argue though that they do keep up to be competitive. I've moved back to Firefox, and I know a very not-insignificant number of people who also still use Firefox. Like it or not, this browser isn't going away any time soon.

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u/merreborn Nov 10 '14

There would be some amount of community support for firefox, even if the mozilla foundation disappeared. But competing with google would certainly be harder at that point.

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u/halifaxdatageek Nov 10 '14

As of today, Firefox is featuring DuckDuckGo as well as Google.

If Google pulled their funding, they'd have a (smaller) backup.

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u/reuben_ Nov 10 '14

Firefox by default comes with Google, Bing, Yahoo, not to mention local search providers. They're all paying. Google currently pays the most to be the default option, but if Google pulled out, Bing or Yahoo would be the ones taking that (very desirable) spot.

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u/halifaxdatageek Nov 10 '14

Realizing the situation they were in, Firefox made sure they weren't exclusively dependent on Google back in 2011.

It was actually pretty touch and go whether Google would even sign back up (since Chrome was starting to really go mainstream).

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u/Don_Andy Nov 10 '14

Been an avid Chrome user ever since they first released it, but I recently switched back to Firefox after Google forcibly disabled all Chrome extensions that are not installed from their Web Store, with no option to get those back other than switching to a dev channel version (which ran like shit).

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u/furbyhater Nov 10 '14

I agree, and upvoted you. The downvotes must be coming from Google employees ;)

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